Final Fantasy XIV Interview — Stormblood’s Success, Romance, Graphics Upgrades and Mo

Be careful on what you wish for

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Originally Posted by Naunet

The standard of acknowledging and respecting people's existence...?

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You failed to address Asexuals... and so forth.
You're no better, and yet you're trying to preach he shouldnt forget something.

Tbh I doubt they'd ever implement relationships with npcs. Partners maybe in a way, I'd love more time working with Y'shtola and if they went and developed more of like a friendship with her or something...mainly since she barely got any SB screentime atm.

When it comes to NPC's feelings towards the WoL, there's no legit answer since the dialogue is open for interpretation to the players.
So whatever you think of how that certain NPC feels towards your character (or other NPCs for that matter), it's your story, believe what you want darlin'! In my case, Aymeric and my character are lovers XD

POWER OF THE IMAGINATION!!

The interview was alright. Not terrible but not very good either.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Once again someone looking for offense, I see nothing in Bourne's post that implies anything offensive.

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Once again someone is being rude:

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

No one has twisted anything. Your initial response strongly implied some sort of bias because Yoshida did not specifically mention gay or lesbian relationships. You're basically complaining about micro-aggressions, and those are not popular for a reason.

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You can't call gay or lesbian relationships "not popular for a reason" I am not looking at all, that is what the person said and im reading it.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

You failed to address Asexuals... and so forth.
You're no better, and yet you're trying to preach he shouldnt forget something.

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10/10 good try but I take it you do not know what Asexual means? If you did, you would know it can't apply to a romance situation.

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In Final Fantasy XIV the writers cannot determine the character’s age or sex,

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It is a small issue that he said this sentence like this.

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For example, if it so happens that the player is male, playing a male character, it could easily give that sort of idea that perhaps there is a chance.

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if the player is a woman, utilizing a female character, or if he is a man playing a female character

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So he purposely admits males and females playing female chrs could " easily take the dialogue as strong words of admiration towards a strong woman." while the other states " male, playing a male character" if you are going to go in detail like that, you better not leave out groups, like females playing male chrs or if the player is attracted to the same sex. Some people even make rp profiles if their chr is bi/straight/gay/lesbian/ (though I do not think I seen Asexuals or pansexual, most people don't even know what those words mean) Plus I do not even know if the Japanese language has different words for bi and pan. (there may be leaving out transgender issues but even for me i think that is reading too much into it, again that comes from the male or female player playing female, while for the male chr, nothing like this is said. It just leaves me feeling awkward and confused why it is worded that way.)

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NY: Even I, when I was looking at some of the dialogue involving Lyse and even Alisae, thought “oh, this can be taken a certain way.” I think that comes from a strong admiration these characters feel towards the Warrior of Light.

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You could interrupt the dialog as a strong admiration or romance

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I think Ishikawa-san was able to write the lines so well that it can be interpreted in either way.

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That is all that needed be said, I do feel awkward in reading that, going in details like that while leaving groups out. Does he think female playing male chrs don't exist? or people liking same sex? I do not get it. I am not looking to be offended, and I am quite neutral on the interview itself (different how I feel about some of the posts here) I just think it is a bit awkward and confused why it was worded like that.

So I can understand Naunet and others are coming from, but others basically saying "you should not interpret it like that" ... i do not think so, you can't tell someone how they should be reacting. Questioning them to see how valid it is is one thing, but outright state stuff "You're basically complaining about micro-aggressions," and "Once again someone looking for offense" is really out there in knowing how to talk to people.

https://youtu.be/kVu_yMEhUfM

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

You can't call gay or lesbian relationships "not popular for a reason" I am not looking at all, that is what the person said and im reading it.

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They were referring to the angry posts about something not being specifically stated, not the relationships.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

10/10 good try but I take it you do not know what Asexual means? If you did, you would know it can't apply to a romance situation.

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An asexual individual can be romantically attracted to someone, it just means they're not sexually attracted to them. Please let us not fall into the trap that sex equals romance and romance equals sex. Sex can be a part of romance but that does not implicitly mean it is required.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

So he purposely admits males and females playing female chrs could " easily take the dialogue as strong words of admiration towards a strong woman." while the other states " male, playing a male character" if you are going to go in detail like that, you better not leave out groups, like females playing male chrs or if the player is attracted to the same sex. Some people even make rp profiles if their chr is bi/straight/gay/lesbian/ (though I do not think I seen Asexuals or pansexual, most people don't even know what those words mean) Plus I do not even know if the Japanese language has different words for bi and pan.

You could interrupt the dialog as a strong admiration or romance

That is all that needed be said, I do feel awkward in reading that, going in details like that while leaving groups out. Does he think female playing male chrs don't exist? or people liking same sex? I do not get it. I am not looking to be offended, and I am quite neutral on the interview itself (different how I feel about some of the posts here) I just think it is a bit awkward and confused why it was worded like that.

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Remember 2 things here: 1) This is an interview and therefore he's going to give as short a statement as possible to fit into the time frame for the interview and therefore can't possibly be expected to explore every possibility. 2) Yoshida speaks Japanese while the interview was done in English, this means translations in both one direction then again in another. As such meanings will not always convey and intent can become lost. Take the statements to Google translate and run it it though back and forth a few times and see what comes out...

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Originally Posted by Malzian

An asexual individual can be romantically attracted to someone, it just means they're not sexually attracted to them. Please let us not fall into the trap that sex equals romance and romance equals sex. Sex can be a part of romance but that does not implicitly mean it is required.


Remember 2 things here: 1) This is an interview and therefore he's going to give as short a statement as possible to fit into the time frame for the interview and therefore can't possibly be expected to explore every possibility. 2) Yoshida speaks Japanese while the interview was done in English, this means translations in both one direction then again in another. As such meanings will not always convey and intent can become lost. Take the statements to Google translate and run it it though back and forth a few times and see what comes out...

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First part.. rrrrr I think those are just called platonic friendships, I do not think "romance" is used in that context.

Second part, again that is why I am left confused why it was detailed in some cases and not in others. Why say "For example, if it so happens that the player is male, playing a male character, it could easily give that sort of idea that perhaps there is a chance. " then say "if the player is a woman, utilizing a female character, or if he is a man playing a female character " ???? Why include male playing female and exclude female playing male? if you are going in that such detail, both should been said, along with same genders attraction and other things or don't say it at all?

I even explained how it SHOULD OF been said if the idea was to keep answers short:

NY: Even I, when I was looking at some of the dialogue involving Lyse and even Alisae, thought “oh, this can be taken a certain way.” I think that comes from a strong admiration these characters feel towards the Warrior of Light. You could interrupt the dialog as a strong admiration or romance . I think Ishikawa-san was able to write the lines so well that it can be interpreted in either way.

Why include what gender the player is and the character in game comparisons for???? Just leaves an awkward feeling (male playing male or female) and not talk about the reverse, female playing male.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Once again someone is being rude:
10/10 good try but I take it you do not know what Asexual means? If you did, you would know it can't apply to a romance situation.

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Not applicable to what was said.
He didnt mention them. It has nothing to do with if your character is either sexually attracted to someone or romantically attracted to someone or which ever.
If he had mention them, and the possibility of how they would have felt in a romantic setting where someone may or may not be attracted to these NPCs, then its only fair to mention she didnt mention them.
Pointing something out isnt by default rude.
Its neutral, and only you can perceive it as "Glass half empty", "glass half full", or "glass is always full of something, be it air or water, unless in a vacuum."

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

Not applicable to what was said.
He didnt mention them. It has nothing to do with if your character is either sexually attracted to someone or romantically attracted to someone or which ever.
If he had mention them, and the possibility of how they would have felt in a romantic setting where someone may or may not be attracted to these NPCs, then its only fair tomention she didnt mention them.
Pointing something out isnt by default rude.
Its neutral, and only you can perceive it as "Glass half empty", "glass half full", or "glass is always full of something, be it air or water, unless in a vacuum."

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Telling me or telling others what they are doing is rude to me. Since it is directed at me, I felt offended with the aggressive tone of "Once again someone looking for offense" That is not a neutral stance, it is a passive-aggressive one. I however was tying to help others show why it would be an issue to some. Telling people they should not feel in x way is a big rude don't you think?

Or are you confused what I was calling rude? I said several times my feelings on the article itself:

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

I am quite neutral on the interview itself (different how I feel about some of the posts here) I just think it is a bit awkward and confused why it was worded like that.

So I can understand Naunet and others are coming from, but others basically saying "you should not interpret it like that" ... i do not think so, you can't tell someone how they should be reacting. Questioning them to see how valid it is is one thing, but outright state stuff "You're basically complaining about micro-aggressions," and "Once again someone looking for offense" is really out there in knowing how to talk to people.

https://youtu.be/kVu_yMEhUfM

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Once again someone is being rude:

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Yes, you are, but let's not let that get in the way of anything, eh?

Btw, you deconstruction of Yoshidas remarks is straining at the seams in your attempt to twist it to your purpose. You are trying very hard to create a reason to take offense where none was intended. Why are you doing that exactly?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Telling me or telling others what they are doing is rude to me.

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You're telling me what me or what others are doing(saying).
Is your intent to be rude?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Since it is directed at me, I felt offended* with the aggressive tone of "Once again someone looking for offense*"

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That's self fulfilling.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

That is not a neutral stance, it is a passive-aggressive one.

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An interesting statement.
While giving a neutral statement, it's possible the same person holds a different opinion, which in this case, is what you're saying is passive-aggressive.
Not entirely wrong, but then it's best to give suggestions as to how to better phrase something, while retaining the same information. (Most of your comments were arguably just as "passive-agresive" as you suggest everyone else is.)
(Of course, every person only "cares" enough to say information, when it matters to some extent to them, so neutral information can still be said with the person having emotional attachment, while not intending it. (and or intending it, depending on circumstances.))

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

I however was tying to help others show why it would be an issue to some. Telling people they should not feel in x way is a big rude don't you think?

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While I technically didn't directly tell them "what was the correct way to think" (with the original post, but questionably so in the 2nd post, as its attempting to be more explanatory.) I indirectly told them, by using their logic in the same way they used it. If the logic is incorrect, sayings its rude doesnt make it incorrect, and it only makes their own statement rude in the process. (unless of course you're referring to using someones own set of rules/logic as an example for them to see, is what is rude.)

But if indirect statements such as this are rude, since they intend to "tell someone what to do" then your own question is doing the same?

EDIT: looking back, I think i misunderstood your colon to mean the followings, rather than the prior.
EDIT#2: Someone already said it, but just wanted to clarify, you can have romantic feelings for someone, w/o being sexually attracted to them. I know many straight/gay/bi and so forth, people who have sexual attractions, but lose their sexual attraction for a person they still feel romantic with.

I liked their response to the romance thing personally. If you wanna feel that "x" character might have feelings for the WoL, then go nuts, just don't expect anything concrete from them. Otherwise, it would no longer be an imagination issue, and its been made very clear that Yoshi-P and the rest of the team are 100% about letting players do and think as much as they want, as best as they can. So much so, that they even seem to have won Tabata, the FF15 guy who initially made 1.0 of FF14, over to their side if his interview about mods is to be believed, but that's off topic, sorry. The thing is, some times the only way to let certain freedoms happen for everyone is to not nail things down for some, or it will shut the door on others. But I see no reason you couldn't imagine Lyse digging your female WoL or what have you. That's just as possible as anything else, and just as likely to be written (that is to say, not) into the canon as anything else. ^_^

I'm still hoping for that character creation update.
I really don't care much about butt sliders but there should be a real muscle/build slider since the one we have only adjusts the muscle definition. I also want more options.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

1) This is an interview and therefore he's going to give as short a statement as possible to fit into the time frame for the interview and therefore can't possibly be expected to explore every possibility.

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Except the statement wasn't as short "as possible". He specifically elaborated on two situations and felt the need to distinguish that only males who play male characters could view it as romantic, while female players or males who play female characters could view it as admiration.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

If he had mention them, and the possibility of how they would have felt in a romantic setting where someone may or may not be attracted to these NPCs, then its only fair to mention she didnt mention them.

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I just want to mention that I do understand the difference between asexual and aromantic, and I agree with your statement that an asexual individual can be involved in a romantic relationship. I just want to point out that both of those situations are covered under the umbrella of "either view it as romantic implications or don't". I didn't ignore anyone.

Do we really have to turn this into a "being politcally correct" discussion? Yoshi-p was very neutral, he might have his opinion and that's fine.

As for the interview, just give me an HQ texture pack, Yoshi-p. Uncompressed textures, better lightning effects, butt sliders. I don't think it requires a full overhaul, but at least match the resolutions to nowday's standards.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Except the statement...

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It was just an example. There was never a problem to begin with.

Yoshida not specifically mentioning LGBT people in an example is not an issue. It's not discrimination. It's not bigotry. It's just an example he tried to make.

Now if the game made fun of gay people, condemned gay people, perpetuated stigmas or stereotypes, I would understand your feelings. Those kinds of things do warrant such anger.

But the game is not like that at all.

The game itself is very inclusive, and has been pretty progressive, especially compared to a lot of video games today. We have had openly gay npc couples, and same-sex marriages are allowed in-game.

It is clear that the developers have us in mind, and I personally appreciate it.

I see where you're coming from. Discrimination and prejudice definitely still exist and we should try to fight them. Things like representation and inclusiveness are important, and we should recognize their importance. We still got a way to go in terms of acceptance and awareness. Even though it might seem like everything's ok and better now, there are still parts in the country, and the world, where gay people face tremendous obstacles. These are valid issues.

But Yoshi's response is not an issue. You're making it an issue when it's not.

And it's unreasonable behavior like this that ends up discrediting actual, valid issues.

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

EDIT: looking back, I think i misunderstood your colon to mean the followings, rather than the prior.
EDIT#2: Someone already said it, but just wanted to clarify, you can have romantic feelings for someone, w/o being sexually attracted to them. I know many straight/gay/bi and soforth, people who have sexual attractions, but lose their sexual attraction for a person they still feel romantic with.

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As I said, I think romantic is not used in that context, that is why "platonic relationships" exists as a term. If I am wrong correct me, show me something but so far that statement has been ignored.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Except the statement wasn't as short "as possible". He specifically elaborated on two situations and felt the need to distinguish that only males who play male characters could view it as romantic, while female players or males who play female characters could view it as admiration.



I just want to mention that I do understand the difference between asexual and aromantic, and I agree with your statement that an asexual individual can be involved in a romantic relationship. I just want to point out that both of those situations are covered under the umbrella of "either view it as romantic implications or don't". I didn't ignore anyone.

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See this is what people are not getting. It would be a non-issue if it was said something like I shown. However the fact he said males or females playing female chrs and saying male playing male chrs (leaving out same sex situations and leaving out female playing male chrs can be seen as questionable.)

Also a huge point is being missed here. I am here trying to show why some will take issue to this, while people are bent up being offensive in shoving their view down people's throats like how I got attacked for trying to explain something, missed out completely what I personally believe in. I simply see it as maybe mistranslated errors and example, the Japanese language is built on inferring meanings more then English does, like how I remarked earlier, I do not even know if their language has split words for being Bi and Pan. Meaning he was simply giving examples on some situations so people get what he means with the writing being vague on purpose.

With that said I still find it VERY AWKWARD he left out females playing males while commenting Males that play female. It was a long winded explanation where the "short interview excuse" is not valid in a situation where he was going into extra unneeded details. How can you excuse making a comment like "males that play female chrs" and leave out saying females that play male chrs? Take a step back and try to understand what people are saying and comment on that vs why you feel the need to push your opinion as fact.

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Originally Posted by Hunky

But Yoshi's response is not an issue. You're making it an issue when it's not.

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My post was literally just me saying it felt really weird (I even used that exact word) that Yoshi would take pains to specify non-gay/lesbian relationships in his response when the game has made it clear that they're okay with presenting them (at least as minor bit characters). Everyone is twisting my words and trying to make me out into some raging crazy person just looking for a fight when all I said was that I found his reponse odd (and implied some disappointment).

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Originally Posted by Hunky

It was just an example. There was never a problem to begin with.

Yoshida not specifically mentioning LGBT people in an example is not an issue. It's not discrimination. It's not bigotry. It's just an example he tried to make.

Now if the game made fun of gay people, condemned gay people, perpetuated stigmas or stereotypes, I would understand your feelings. Those kinds of things do warrant such anger.

But the game is not like that at all.

The game itself is very inclusive, and has been pretty progressive, especially compared to a lot of video games today. We have had openly gay npc couples, and same-sex marriages are allowed in-game.

It is clear that the developers have us in mind, and I personally appreciate it.

I see where you're coming from. Discrimination and prejudice definitely still exist and we should try to fight them. Things like representation and inclusiveness are important, and we should recognize their importance. We still got a way to go in terms of acceptance and awareness. Even though it might seem like everything's ok and better now, there are still parts in the country, and the world, where gay people face tremendous obstacles. These are valid issues.

But Yoshi's response is not an issue. You're making it an issue when it's not.
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And it's unreasonable behavior like this that ends up discrediting actual, valid issues.

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Indeed, this is one of my problems with the response to Yoshida that acts like the examples he gave deliberately slighted LGBT individuals by omission. It was just an illustrative example to show that the motivations of the NPCs are open to interpretation, by design, allowing players of all types to view the motive and intent as they wish. Acting as if there was an intended slight creates harm by complaining about something that is not there.

This should never have been an issue, it's sad that it's become one.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Indeed, this is one of my problems with the response to Yoshida that acts like the examples he gave deliberately slighted LGBT individuals by omission. It was just an illustrative example to show that the motivations of the NPCs are open to interpretation, by design, allowing players of all types to view the motive and intent as they wish. Acting as if there was an intended slight creates harm by complaining about something that is not there.

This should never have been an issue, it's sad that it's become one.

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I find it sad that people do not take the time to understand what people are saying.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

My post was literally just me saying it felt really weird (I even used that exact word) that Yoshi would take pains to specify non-gay/lesbian relationships in his response when the game has made it clear that they're okay with presenting them (at least as minor bit characters). Everyone is twisting my words and trying to make me out into some raging crazy person just looking for a fight when all I said was that I found his reponse odd (and implied some disappointment).

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Same=/

well I used awkward but ya get the idea. It really leaves an awkward feeling when he says females and males playing female chrs feel xxx and says males playing males feel xxx while leaving out females playing males. Why do that? Even if we leave out the same sex relationships, why say it in this manner? leaving out females playing male chrs? You can't claim it is neutral completely when someone says it like this.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

My post was literally just me saying it felt really weird (I even used that exact word) that Yoshi would take pains to specify non-gay/lesbian relationships in his response when the game has made it clear that they're okay with presenting them (at least as minor bit characters). Everyone is twisting my words and trying to make me out into some raging crazy person just looking for a fight when all I said was that I found his reponse odd (and implied some disappointment).

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Yoshida gave examples of gender, he actually made no mention of orientation at all. You appear to me to be reading all sorts of additional, and skewed intent on the basis of an omission that you suppose to be deliberate, where no deliberate omission occurred - IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

With that said I still find it VERY AWKWARD he left out females playing males while commenting Males that play female. It was a long winded explanation where the "short interview excuse" is not valid in a situation where he was going into extra unneeded details. How can you excuse making a comment like "males that play female chrs" and leave out saying females that play male chrs? Take a step back and try to understand what people are saying and comment on that vs why you feel the need to push your opinion as fact.

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Oh my god. When someone is giving an example, they don't have to list all the possible variations. What kind of mental gymnastics did you have to do to conclude that ommiting something out of a brief list of examples is slighting a specific group of people? It is unlikely he even realised what he said, given the nature of a verbal interview. Not only are the points being translated over and over, he is also giving responses on the spot. Why do you have to nitpick what he said and blow it up as an issue?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Yoshida gave examples of gender, he actually made no mention of orientation at all. You appear to me to be reading all sorts of additional, and skewed intent on the basis of an omission that you suppose to be deliberate, where no deliberate omission occurred - IMHO.

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It is not skewed when someone says males and females playing female and males playing males, WHY leave out saying females playing males when you are going that far to detail that? Why are you ignoring what people are saying? You can't claim " to be reading all sorts of additional, and skewed intent on the basis of an omission that you suppose to be deliberate, where no deliberate omission occurred" when you are not even commenting to what people are saying.

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Originally Posted by SecretCrowds

Oh my god. When someone is giving an example, they don't have to list all the possible variations. What kind of mental gymnastics did you have to do to conclude that ommiting something out of a brief list of examples is slighting a specific group of people? It is unlikely he even realised what he said, given the nature of a verbal interview. Not only are the points being translated over and over, he is also giving responses on the spot. Why do you have to nitpick what he said and blow it up as an issue?

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It isn't though, what is the reason to say "female and male that play female chrs" and male that play male chrs??? Why have it in one instance and not the other? you did not address that. Just examples is not an excuse. Based what you tell me, it shows there is a subconscious to not remember full enough female play male chrs to remark on it.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Yoshida gave examples of gender, he actually made no mention of orientation at all. You appear to me to be reading all sorts of additional, and skewed intent on the basis of an omission that you suppose to be deliberate, where no deliberate omission occurred - IMHO.

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Saying that male players with male characters might interpret interactions as romantic with a female NPC, but that female players and males with female characters would only have friendly admiration is definitely referring to orientation. There's no other way to interpret that.

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Originally Posted by SecretCrowds

Oh my god. When someone is giving an example, they don't have to list all the possible variations. What kind of mental gymnastics did you have to do to conclude that ommiting something out of a brief list of examples is slighting a specific group of people? It is unlikely he even realised what he said, given the nature of a verbal interview. Not only are the points being translated over and over, he is also giving responses on the spot. Why do you have to nitpick what he said and blow it up as an issue?

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He felt the need to present a dichotomy of male players with male characters vs female players/male players with female characters. It's not mental gymnastics, and it's not blowing anything up. It's just noticing the choice to point those specific ones out was weird. Heck, my posts were pretty non-emotional, but then folk came in ranting at me like I'd somehow said something evil.

On the subject of an updated texture pack, we need it, or at least an enhancement for a handful of textures. Hien's armour was literally so bad that I assumed I must have had a graphics option set incorrectly that was forcing low-res textures to be used. That should have never made it past QA, honestly. There are other examples (typically more armour), but that was the one that was front and center for the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

He felt the need to present a dichotomy of male players with male characters vs female players/male players with female characters. It's not mental gymnastics, and it's not blowing anything up. It's just noticing the choice to point those specific ones out was weird.

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Well, that plus throwing in the 'We can't know the gender or age of the player' bit as though it were relevant to the question kind of made the response read a certain way. I usually tend to be on the "Stop looking for things to be offended over" side of things with respect to this type of discussion (since people do have a tendency to jump onto things that are innocent or trivial) but even with that in mind, the way that was worded made me raise an eyebrow. Nothing major, granted, but I knew where that response was going to lead.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

My post was literally just me saying it felt really weird (I even used that exact word) that Yoshi would take pains to specify non-gay/lesbian relationships in his response when the game has made it clear that they're okay with presenting them (at least as minor bit characters). Everyone is twisting my words and trying to make me out into some raging crazy person just looking for a fight when all I said was that I found his reponse odd (and implied some disappointment).

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But the thing is you didn't just call it weird. You also questioned his motive for forming his response the way he did.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

So, uh, Yoshi - you know that gay and lesbian people exist, right? I'm pretty sure you should, unless the gay and lesbian characters scattered occasionally in little corners of Eorzea were added in as jokes or not to your knowledge. So... why dancing around words here? Why feel the need to specify "if male, then ___" and vice versa?

This answer felt so weird to me.

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When we question people's motives, it's usually because they have something to hide.

You questioning Yoshi implies that there was something wrong with his response, which there wasn't.

This is how your post comes across:

"Hm, Yoshi, why didn't you mention LGBT people? The game has LGBT npcs, so why didn't you mention them? Why did you go out of your way to not mention them? That's weird. Got something against them huh?"

It came across as a defensive reaction to Yoshi's response, as if Yoshi's response was somehow offensive (and it really wasn't).

Like how Kosmos992k said to Snow_Princess, you're trying to deconstruct Yoshi's remarks to find something at fault.

Mountains out of molehills, people, mountains out of molehills.

His wording does seem to be awkward and weird but that is because Japan is awkward and weird about anything that isn't heterosexual, iirc(?).

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

Mountains out of molehills, people, mountains out of molehills.

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Also this.

Yoshida, HD texturepack please!

I haven't posted on this forum for a very long time (literally years) though I lurk on it quite often, but I felt compelled to log in to say...we get this small interview summary talking casually about a few subjects, and somehow this thread turns into gender this and gender that. Crying over spilled milk, not much to spill and it wasn't even spilled to start. His comments on "romance" are being way too overanalyzed. He basically said "it's whatever you guys/gals wanna think, have fun." That's it. Period....but all of that said I'll go back on topic. I hope that he'll reconsider his stance on updating the engine eventually. I know it'll be time consuming and expensive but it would be worth it to a lot of people. I'm glad Stormblood was a success though, everyone wins when the game succeeds.

Must everything be turned into some "lack of LGBT representation" war out of nothing?

I got something for ya. Why didn't Yoshi mention a black woman on a black female character or a black man on a black male character and interactions with Lyse who is a white character. O-M-G he clearly doesn't care! O-M-G there are only 2 black characters in the game like 2 black hairstyles. We need more representation!!! *RIOT*





How about no? Making a problem out of nothing. Sheesh

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Originally Posted by Naunet

My post was literally just me saying it felt really weird (I even used that exact word) that Yoshi would take pains to specify non-gay/lesbian relationships in his response when the game has made it clear that they're okay with presenting them (at least as minor bit characters). Everyone is twisting my words and trying to make me out into some raging crazy person just looking for a fight when all I said was that I found his reponse odd (and implied some disappointment).

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JP culture isn't like the US or Canada, the endless gender debates are not really a thing in most other countries, so don't be surprised if Japanese devs aren't talking about gay/lesbian relationships all the time. A lot of the inclusionist dialog in game is done by the English localization team, because that's their job, to adapt the game to US culture, but I wouldn't be surprised if the gay NPCs aren't gay at all in JP dialog or are just lowered to low key flirtation.

Side note, the LGBT representation you'd get in a Korean game would be close to zero just because of how Korean culture works, so I think we should be grateful that despite JP culture not being as open as the US our devs are very flexible with these stuffs, they acknowledge things are different in the US and make it work for us.

@OP you should rename your post tittle i was disapointed when i compared your title and what Yoshi says in his interview :p

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

First part.. rrrrr I think those are just called platonic friendships, I do not think "romance" is used in that context.

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Not true at all. From http://www.whatisasexuality.com/intro/ (and there are plenty of other articles that say the same thing)

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Relationships
Asexual people have the same emotional needs as anyone else, and like in the sexual community we vary widely in how we fulfill those needs. Some asexual people are happier on their own, others are happiest with a group of close friends. Other asexual people have a desire to form more intimate romantic relationships, and will date and seek long-term partnerships. Asexual people are just as likely to date sexual people as we are to date each other.

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Except the statement wasn't as short "as possible". He specifically elaborated on two situations and felt the need to distinguish that only males who play male characters could view it as romantic, while female players or males who play female characters could view it as admiration.

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He tried to give a few examples to illiterate his thoughts on the matter, like most people would do in a conversation. He was not obligated to sit there and talk about every possible combination. The answer was as long as it needed to be and short in comparison to how long it -would- have been if he made sure to address every combination of every orientation group possible, and that response would have taken a very, very long time.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

JP culture isn't like the US or Canada, the endless gender debates are not really a thing in most other countries, so don't be surprised if Japanese devs aren't talking about gay/lesbian relationships all the time. A lot of the inclusionist dialog in game is done by the English localization team, because that's their job, to adapt thegame to US culture, but I wouldn't be surprised if the gay NPCs aren't gay at all in JP dialog or are just lowered to low key flirtation.

Side note, the LGBT representation you'd get in a Korean game would be close to zero just because of how Korean culture works, so I think we should be grateful that despite JP culture not being as open as the US our devs are very flexible with these stuffs, they acknowledge things are different in the US and make it work for us.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Must everything be turned into some "lack of LGBT representation" war out of nothing?

I got something for ya. Why didn't Yoshi mention a black woman on a black female character or a black man on a black male character and interactions with Lyse who is a white character. O-M-G he clearly doesn't care! O-M-G there are only 2 black characters in the game like 2 black hairstyles. We need more representation!!! *RIOT*





How about no? Making a problem out of nothing. Sheesh

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Not true at all. From http://www.whatisasexuality.com/intro/ (and there are plenty of other articles that say the same thing)





He tried to give a few examples to illiterate his thoughts on the matter, like most people would do in a conversation. He was not obligated to sit there and talk about every possible combination. The answer was as long as it needed to be and short in comparison to how long it -would- have been if he made sure to address every combination of every orientation group possible, and that response would have taken a very, very long time.

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First thing, oh okay.

Second thing, still does not explain why they said "males or females that play female chrs" and just saying "Male that play male chrs" How does that relate to Japanese culture? That is not "Making a problem out of nothing. Sheesh " that is wondering why it was said like that. The only "mountain out of molehills" I see is people attacking others that are wondering about that. You can also make the point without stating someone's RL gender (the player, playing) I just find it really strange it was worded like that.

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That is all that needed be said, I do feel awkward in reading that, going in details like that while leaving groups out. Does he think female playing male chrs don't exist? or people liking same sex? I do not get it. I am not looking to be offended, and I am quite neutral on the interview itself (different how I feel about some of the posts here) I just think it is a bit awkward and confused why it was worded like that.]

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You see guys, this is what we call "Reading too much into it"

It was just an example, and he barely went into detail. Chill.

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First thing, oh okay.

Second thing, still does not explain why they said "males or females that play female chrs" and just saying "Male that play male chrs" How does that relate to Japanese culture? That is not "Making a problem out of nothing. Sheesh " that is wondering why it was said like that. The only "mountain out of molehills" I see is people attacking others that are wondering about that. You can also make the point without stating someone's RL gender (the player, playing) I just find it really strange it was worded like that.

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Again, when you're going from English to Japanese then back again and then on top of that dealing with the cultural difference between Japan and the West you're going to end up with wordings and expressions that don't always seem normal.... "All your base are belong to us."

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Thought some might enjoy reading this.

http://www.dualshockers.com/final-fa...ew-stormblood/

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I knew my character was meant to be with lysebae

I think the most important thing to consider is Lalafell representation.

It was quite clear that Pipin and other prominent Lalafell characters should have had a more prominent role throughout the storyline :^)

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Originally Posted by Qojon

I think the most important thing to consider is Lalafell representation.

It was quite clear that Pipin and other prominent Lalafell characters should have had a more prominent role throughout the storyline :^)

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Oh wait, here's a better idea. How about a Pipin and Nanamo romance? :D