Is there any reason to play any tank other than PLD?

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Originally Posted by Greven

PLD: paragon tank, more defensive skills + block rate, easier rotation and can heal self and party. Holy knight theme

WAR: brings slashing debuff, more complex rotation, nice burst and good with self-sustain. Brutal barbarian theme

DRK: strong magic defense skill, shield for self or party, good with AoEs and more skills over combo play. Dark edgy theme

after 4.05 nerf/buffs there isn't much of a big gap in tanks DPS https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme.../405_tank_dps/

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I don't think the main problem about tank DPS is their now non existant disparity. Simply they are balanced around a number of skills either offensive and defensive. And while the DRK and WAR seems to have more offensive related skills and cooldowns, and a more complex DPS rotation, their DPS is quite the same if played like it should. But the PLD shine in DPS when the fight get complex phases and movements, while the warrior will be disrupted in his mandatory combo by theses.

Well it could have been a no issue, if the tankyness and utillity was Equal even if the PLD got more skills to account for this part. But it's not. The War gauge account for his DPS and his tankyness and he stands not better than the two others in any of the role by spending it. The DRK lacks cooldowns, but hell TBN is still great to use.

It's like they pooled the whole offensive kit of every tank to make them, despite complexity and number of skills, equals. But they didn't work the defensive and support aspect the same way : Hence the problem.

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Originally Posted by Nabian

Many progression groups are going drk/pld. Pld as OT becsure of higher dps.

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...It's not because of higher DPS, it's because of Intervention, which is a ridiculously powerful OT ability. DRK also has the easiest time handling magical tank busters, which are all over the place in Omega, because no only do they have TBN as a massive shield for themselves, they also have Dark Mind and Shadow Wall readily available for pretty much every magical TB a fight can throw at them.

DRK is a much better MT than PLD is, idk why people are still saying PLD does that better than DRK. WAR also has pretty powerful CDs readily available on a very short timer each, even without using Inner Beast. I'd say both WAR and DRK have an easier time MTing than PLD does, since the CD timers on all of PLD's bigger defensive moves, and even the ones you can use to mitigate auto-attack damage for safe DPS stance tanking are hilariously long in comparison to the other two.

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

I don't think there's anything wrong with grass, but I don't want to be a cow. Cows spend all day eating :(

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You don't say...

I think all three are fun to play to mix things up.

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Originally Posted by Greven

forums ate my post twice.

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WAR has inner beast
PLD has sheltron
they handle magical dmg equal to a DRK

but a DRK cant handle phsyical dmg equal to WAR and PLD, w/o tank swapping, to get their CDs back.
(They can survive them all, just not mitigate as much, as often.)

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Drk was recently buffed, but has always been fun. They have a large, strong aoe attack that is available at a low lv and doesn't require targeting or facing, making low lv dungeons easier, and the class looks good and is easy and fun to play even for beginners at tanking. Plus, who doesn't love clobbering monsters with a huge sword.

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Which AoE?

I mean WAR gets a 120 potency cone AoE early on. DRK gets a 50 potency circle AoE. PLD gets a 110 pot cricle AoE. WAR gets it really early, then DRK gets it, then PLD gets it, but DRK gets shafted when it comes to AoE till late 50s and late 60s be it by high cost or low damage. Then WAR gets its circle AoE later, but with added inherent lifesteal.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Which AoE?

I mean WAR gets a 120 potency cone AoE early on. DRK gets a 50 potency circle AoE. PLD gets a 110 pot cricle AoE. WAR gets it really early, then DRK gets it, then PLD gets it, but DRK gets shafted when it comes to AoE till late 50s and late 60s be it by high cost or low damage. Then WAR gets its circle AoE later, but with added inherent lifesteal.

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Well, there's also Dark Passenger at 40, but Square nerfed that to basically useless levels so...

Play them if you liked the feeling of being cucked.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Which AoE?

I mean WAR gets a 120 potency cone AoE early on. DRK gets a 50 potency circle AoE. PLD gets a 110 pot cricle AoE. WAR gets it really early, then DRK gets it, then PLD gets it, but DRK gets shafted when it comes to AoE till late 50s and late 60s be it by high cost or low damage. Then WAR gets its circle AoE later, but with added inherent lifesteal.

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You forgot Salted Earth at 52. Though you also didn't include Circle of Scorn. It feels like Pld just wins in every area for most levels.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Play them if you liked the feeling of being cucked.

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Surely WAR's the one being cucked atm, PLD stole DRK away.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Surely WAR's the one being cucked atm, PLD stole DRK away.

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Thats revenge cuck after heavensward cheating between war and drk.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Surely WAR's the one being cucked atm, PLD stole DRK away.

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Speaking for DRKs, don't look at us dude. We're just here to avoid the LB penalty just like before. /s

Our WAR boyfriends cheated on us with DRK throughout all of HW, so now PLDs are taking revenge on our exes by stealing DRK from WAR. We hit the gym and are hotter now. It's like a trashy romantic comedy and we're Cameron Diaz.

One of the developers mains Paladin. They got promoted to a position where they're actually able to make changes to the game. Jealous and tired of how Warriors and Dark Knights had the spotlight in Heavensward, they decided to utterly wreck them while making sure Paladins are able to shine brighter than they ever have before!

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Originally Posted by AeliaBlitz

your question is a detriment to your enjoyment of the game... The sole reason to play anything is if you have fun playing it. The fact is that all content can be cleared with any combination of class. That META mindset of shaming whatever class is not meta is for underperforming players looking for a justification... ie: The 600 DPS Brd that said " Why would anyone play MNK, they are trash'' to me when I was doing my MNK anima during 3.0.

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I'll never forget the sweet feel of people getting to 4.0's EX everyone in the party being dead except me when learning the fight.

MNK best tank.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

My signature is the answer you're looking for. If you're choosing a job based on numbers people get from a glorified calculator, you're playing the game entirely wrong.

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Okay but when I play a tank I want to bring something to the table other than "Somebody has to bite the bullet and play something other than Paladin". Warrior isn't fun any more, I spend most of the fight mindlessly hammering through my rotations and occasionally popping a cooldown because I have nothing better to do, because I have zero utility and most of my fun abilities have to sit on the bench a lot of the time because otherwise they won't line up for the only thing that Warrior can actually do: burst rotation. Spending 5/6 of the fight bored and unengaged isn't good design.

Don't excuse bad design with "fun" when even that isn't balanced right now.

I love dungeons, okay? I get it's not savage content that everyone focuses on, but doing day-to-day roulettes, I find warrior's more than efficient. Multiple cooldowns can be stacked and cycled throughout a dungeon run, and all that mitigation translates into time allowed in deliverance. PLD will never AoE like WAR, let alone DRK. WAR, on the other hand, can easily afford to use inner release and crank several decimates WHILE still holding onto tanking capabilities, and every cooldown at WAR's disposal has great synergy.

Fast runs and big numbers make me more than justified in saying WAR is not only a valid choice, but a recommendable one as well.

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Originally Posted by Capn_Goggles

Warrior isn't fun any more

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That's a valid personal opinion but doesn't mean people can't enjoy WAR (at least after the 4.05 patch).
I play all 3 tanks but WAR is my favorite of the 3.
I even prefer current WAR over 3.x WAR because I find it more engaging and complex (personal opinion).

PLD is super boring for me and I only use it for dungeon runs but there's no denying that they are the best tank and are good at everything with no weakness to the class.
DRK in this raid content mostly shines in V4S as TBN is very useful and the fight is a Healing check more than a DPS check. I also prefer current DRK over 3.x DRK.

V1-3S, it's totally fine to take a WAR but they'll only bring a marginal 5% DPS at best over PLD/DRK, ~100-150 raid DPS.