Can warriors have flash back?

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

It was at that point that I realized... some people really have no idea how to play with Warriors (the "worst" tanks) properly. :')

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it is usually a heal popping Regen on me, right before i pull or middle of the pull make me wish I have a "circular AOE pull" especially when I do not have 50 beast gauge

still adjusting the new play style in 4.0, luckily it seem there are less Range + melee combination trash in 4.0 dungeon making OP pull feel little bit easier than pre 4.0

I do found PLD the easiest to play with in both holding aggro and keeping myself alive with minimum effort, but i still couldnt change to PLD/DRK as my main tank, as WAR provide way more fun that those two

And here I mostly used flash for the lvl 10 guilhests... The I just jump while running to have OP hit behind me and not break my movement. The cone is long and pretty easily 90-120 degree angle kindof hard to miss with it in a situation that you wouldnt miss with flash or unleash.

If I notice the monsters are just gonna run past me, I just go stand next to the healer and wait for them there. Worst thing that might happen is the healer will get hit with a few blows, but nothing they won't be able to handle.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

True story: I was once tanking a dungeon with my Warrior. One of the DPS told me they were a tank too, and questioned why I played as a Warrior. I told him I found them a lot more fun. The guy then said Warriors were the worst tanks, because they ran out of MP too fast and had no way of gettinf it back, unlike Paladins and Dark Knights. Baffled, I asked him why Warriors would even need to get their MP back, and he said: "So you can spam Flash more." When I brought up the fact that you can just use Overpower and don't even need Flash, he called me an idiot and said that then you'd just run out of TP.

It was at that point that I realized... some people really have no idea how to play with Warriors (the "worst" tanks) properly. :')

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And then they come on the forums and make the most outlandish suggestions for abilities thinking they've devised some revolutionary solution to a perceived community issue.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

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I can empathize with that, while I stopped using Flash pretty early on I know that it can be helpful in dungeons. Anticipation and Ultimatum are both candidates for getting replaced, so I can see something akin to Flash being a good replacement for Ultimatum. That said I dunno when we'll actually see any changes to role skills, tanks aren't exactly in a rough spot (only 2 skills aren't particularly useful) so I can't imagine they'll be looking into them any time soon unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Galgarion

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I'm just not sure I see the actual practical application for it. It's one of the least used skills I've seen, IMHO, and there's never been any situation I can think of where I wished I had it. At absolute worst case scenario, I'll pop the heal with an incredibly short cd I won't be needing any time soon, and that's that, especially since now SC regens on hit. I don't see an issue with infuriating after the first aggro'd pack because it's gonna be up that much sooner as well! (Granted I still love pulling with On+OP when I reach the last pack.)

So, got my DRK alt to 70, and there are definitely mobs where having an on-demand PBAoE attack made life easier. Those ninjas on the Kugane Castle bridge are not in a good arrangement for you to pick up easily with overpower. Can I pick them up two gcd later as warrior? Sure. But I feel incomplete because Flash is no longer there.

Ironic, considering DRK is the one supposedly going through an identity crisis.

Irony, yeah. Talking about an identity crisis, when WARRIORS are crying about losing a skill that wasn't even theirs to begin with. @__@

Steel Cyclone is a damaging flash that also absorbs HP. Can probably stock up BG towards the end of the pack's health and use that for the next hoard of mobs

We don't need flash you making War look bad we went from being the most badass class to the biggest babies stop plz we are in a good spot now.

I just played through the Scholar quest line and the warrior in the 60-70 missions still uses Flash, it's an insult.

The warriors in the level 70 quest still use fracture.

Beginning to think that ripping out all the DoTs was a last second balance idea.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

The warriors in the level 70 quest still use fracture.

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They also use Bloodbath. :(

Warriors need a blind the other tanks get a blind its BS. Nothing lame like flash though like a kick dirt in their eye move or somthing or make upheaval the blind cause it like knocks dirt and debris into their eyes, and make it AOE or line or somthing.

WARs dont need flash. Never.

This was something I wished for when I picked WAR back up in SB - but with war gauge and steel cyclone changes, it's a pretty unnecessary crutch.

Takes a while to get used too yeah; but it's really not something we NEED.

Just pull with provoke/tomahawk followed by OP, target any mob you might have missed with tomahawk and you're good to go.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

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Next time include the second half of my sentence. It was nice and situational in bigger mobs just in case you couldn't catch everything, some dps do like hitting mobs before positioning happens. Equilibrium is also not an aggro hold specific ability. So please take this elsewhere.


Now on to other matters. I've been working heavily with Warrior since the changes in 4.0. While Flash was nice and situational, I have found reason to work in more steel cyclones to make up for it. The now added as of 4.05 HP gain to steel cyclone was fantastic. It may take some interesting work of combos to increase the gauge, but on trash pulls I tend to either save for a cyclone or am close enough to quickly combo into a cyclone. So in the end not having flash has fallen lower on my list of needs.



My need for Bloodbath remains unchanged however....damn dirty DPS taking it >.>

The slight issue with flash being niche is that it filled a very common requirement, and all our other options have drawbacks.

I mean I don't feel like I ever needed flash but it was nice to have an ability to actually spend our useless MP on if I was being lazy and ran out of tp after overpower spam in a dungeon. =P

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

My need for Bloodbath remains unchanged however....damn dirty DPS taking it >.>

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I could not agree with this more T_T It was such a great ability for WAR!