The Devs should hire players to test/give Job feedback

What they could do to get FF XIV test server tester:

- access to test servers only within SE HQ in Tokyo
- Don't leak any infomation or you will be banned
- Can speak japanese
- No smartphones or other devices to take photos or videos allowed

Imagine it like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRrOUdgUTkE

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Originally Posted by Theodric

He's too controversial a figure. He isn't exactly humble and there's a personality cult surrounding him. Furthermore there would be a conflict of interest - he'd want as many views as possible for his videos and as such would likely let bias leak in. He could also be completely wrong about something but his more rabid followers would kick and scream all over the forums demanding that the developers change things a certain way anyway. Much like how it plays out with major streamers who are tied to WoW.

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lol no he's not. There is a very vocal minority that dislikes him and often for silly reasons. Usually the stuff he proposes is pretty fair and good. He's not really biased towards any jobs either. He'd actually be a solid choice. If you picked someone like Xeno he'd want fucking 20 second cooldowns for everything and FUCKING WARRIOR MAAAAAAAAANNNN!!!

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Originally Posted by Remedi

Is this coming from the community that failed to understand the changes to WHM and considered it utter trash without even testing it?

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I still find it hilarious Savage was cleared with WHM (garbage), SCH (garbage), DRK (garbabe), MNK (garbage). Did I miss any according to this community?

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

I still find it hilarious Savage was cleared with WHM (garbage), SCH (garbage), DRK (garbabe), MNK (garbage). Did I miss any according to this community?

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SMN and MCH.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

SMN and MCH.

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Heh, don't think those two will be seen anywhere for a while.

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Originally Posted by Atmora

I mean we also had situations like the community being blatantly wrong on Monk.

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I don't know if you're referring to 4.0+ monk but the community is not "wrong" as the communities feedback regarding monk was to do with the playstyle of Monk in SB not suiting the players who had been maining it since ARR and HW.

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Originally Posted by Oxmodial

I don't know if you're referring to 4.0+ monk but the community is not "wrong" as the communities feedback regarding monk was to do with the playstyle of Monk in SB not suiting the players who had been maining it since ARR and HW.

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the rotations the exact fucking same minus TOD/Fracture. Also you obvi didn't read soime of the feedback shitty as monk players whocan barely play the game were giving about it being one of the worst dps.

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Originally Posted by Fatshine

At least the Overwatch team is a little different. Most changes in that game have been good.

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The Overwatch team unfortunately pulls the same shit as the WoW team.

The PTR is mostly a "this is what is coming" environment and they regularly ignore community input. Unless the bug is truly game breaking or otherwise major, or the devs are playing favorites and decide to pull changes from their favorite hero up for changes, things rarely change on the PTR and go to Live as is. Leading to the very problems people were pointing out manifesting.

To put it into perspective, The Heroes of the Storm team after booting their hero balance designer, Geoff Goodman, over to Overwatch because his balancing methods were terrible and literally killing the game saw a large boost in balancing quality leading to it becoming one of the most balanced blizzard games. With a good PTR that they, from what I know, listens to player concerns, reports, and suggestions on upcoming changes. Heroes of the Storm has been seeing a steady climb in playerbase since they removed Geoff Goodman.


That said, what SE could probably do is create a test dungeon, test raid, and test solo duty using existing game content on a PTR in order to have people test the classes in a pseudo live environment in order to draw larger scale data from. No need to show any new content besides maybe upcoming abilities for the sake of getting data for making balance changes. That way they can keep the meat of the content coming in the next patch/expansion under wraps and perform the main goal of a balance testing PTR.

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Originally Posted by DynamoAce

Get Mr Happy to be a tester. I'm sure he'd love that.

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LP culture was a mistake.

Just have Yoshi max all his DPS classes and play something else than BLM for a while, should be enought xD

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

I see other multiplayer games like Overwatch use special servers specifically for beta testing and balancing before launching it worldwide.

While I understand this could be an issue with story driven content, for combat balances, a single server for players to sign up for just to try to find how classes properly balance would help immensely.

I mean, for goodness sakes, SE had a moment when Ninja's found a rotation better than the one they had used for testing within a few days!

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There is a way this can be dealt with. Make the test server a large empty room about the size of New Gridania. Have players make a character, talk to an NPC that levels them to cap or whatever intended test level. Add treasure chests or an NPC that gives out job-specific max level gear for testing. Add a console that summons a boss to test the gear/gameplay against. No story is spoiled (though to me that's a dumb reason for not having test servers) and you can test all combat-related gameplay aspects.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

There is a way this can be dealt with. Make the test server a large empty room about the size of New Gridania. Have players make a character, talk to an NPC that levels them to cap or whatever intended test level. Add treasure chests or an NPC that gives out job-specific max level gear for testing. Add a console that summons a boss to test the gear/gameplay against. No story is spoiled (though to me that's a dumb reason for not having test servers) and you can test all combat-related gameplay aspects.

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This is brilliant.