Just a thought on Elezen.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Yeah, you guys are also the only ones who have a very blocky and unfinished face as well from what I remember when I was toying with alts. ): I don't think the aesthetics of any race need to be changed, but a lot of them need some love. Fem Elezen, Femlanders, and unlocking Aura horns to name just a few.

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Yeah I mentioned in another thread, it's not that I don't see the faces work in concept, it's that they look really poorly executed. And the textures don't help either: Highlander faces seem to always look better in dark skin tones because it covers the weird blurry "spots-that-look-like-black-freckles-maybe?".

Edit: I guess they look more like a rugged (or rather, textured) skin attempt, but regardless, there should be an option, and since it's blurry/pixelized it just looks like you're dirty in light skintones imho.

So to throw my opinion into the mix here, I'd never play the game again if they changed the proportions or the overall feel of the animations of the Elezen, of either gender. I like the way they look because irl I'm pretty much proportioned in the same way as an Elezen, even down to having a long neck myself. Having lived my life being this tall, it's extremely easy for me to be immersed by the animations feel, they get so much right about the movement. Yes, they're kinda awkward, but that kind of awkwardness is something that I've lived with for years, and is normal for being as tall and proportioned like I am.

I assume that the majority of people that want the Elezen changed aren't the very tall people that can empathize with the feel of the Elezen, instead they're probably around average or below average height people that just want a generically "tall" but not heavily muscled like the Roe or even the Highlanders are. That I think would be a massive mistake, to do so would wholly remove the realistic body movement of the Elezen and instead make it into almost a cartoonish parody of what an average person thinks a tall person moves like. I also don't think that the proportions would be correct, long necks are natural to taller people, and to "correct" that by making the neck shorter and the head larger would immediately strike a person as deeply unsettling. Even to a smaller degree than you may think, they would look like bobble-heads of Elezen rather than actual people. So I can't help but say never to the idea of the Nu-Elezen, I could never feel like I do about the current Elezen, and I hope SE continues to ignore the call for "fixing" the Elezen.

Okay, okay, enough with the long winded post about how I can really engage with the Elezen in their current form and opposing the Nu-Elezen, instead I'll give a few pointers on Elezen women fashion I've discovered over my time playing. Avoid shoulder pads whenever possible, by and large the "small headed" problem of the Elezen is that people put them in huge shouldered armor that I feel is scaled not for the overall proportions of the Elezen but instead like they're just proportioned to the torso by itself in a vacuum. Thigh boots look very good on Elezen in comparison to just regular shoes, or shorter boots, they use up the real estate of the leg very well. If you aren't doing thigh highs, avoid boots that are too thick around the leg or don't have anything to mitigate that sudden cut off with cuffs or something else that obscures the sudden boot width -> leg width problem. Those are about the only "rules" I've discovered when it comes to making a decent outfit for an Elezen.

I didn't mean to write this much about Elezen when I started but here we are, hopefully that this whole thing explains why I love the current Elezen and am completely opposed to changing the race.

I love male Elezen. I always itch to change back into one.

Yes they've always seemed off, I love Elvaans and I wanted to be an Elezen but I just couldn't get past the small head and broad shoulders on females. :( I was hoping AuRas would be designed according to the initial concepts, with tall bodies but they came out being smaller than Miqo'tes so Hyur it is for me. :( I just wanted a tall elegant race.

Elezen are pretty fabulous. The origins of their design back as Elvaan in XI was really interesting. They look great in their own right and while not fitting my aesthetic, I have full appreciation when seeing one.

Please, no. I don't WANT to look like a tall hyur with pointy ears, even thought that's seemingly what all non-elezen want. We look unique and I'd like to keep it that way. Why is it bad the proportions are weird? We're not hyur, that's the point. The races are already really similar, please let's not make them more so.

Our proportions are perfect - for Elezen. Make and female. Wouldn't say no to more face and hair options but the proportions are just right. I don't ever want to play a Hyur.

To echo some sentiments already expressed by others, if Elezeen are not to your liking there are already five other races to choose from. I'm all for adding new options (fixing the lack of face options some races and genders have would be a good start), but to change after years what some of us love would do nothing but stir up bad blood, even if the change is preferred by a majority. Every race doesn't have to be appealing to the majority, some can and should be for more niche groups.

Dhalmel...Jhammel...Elezen.
Same Ancestors.
SE should just give Dhalmel Mount to all Elezen.

I can live with the long neck. I can live with the running animation. But seriously, I could put a Lalafell under each arm and there would still be place for another one. Why are the arms so far away from my body? Is it, so I can run and fly like a bird in a later expansion or..? D:

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

I never did. At no point did I imply that.

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I quoted you LITERALLY saying that. So stop denying it. lol

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

But, I really don't think thickening them up, enlargimg their head, or performing major skeleton modifications will do anything but make all the current Elezan players angry.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

There isn't a God Damn thing wrong with me! I didn't say you were race bashing. I said threads like this that keep popping up turn into race bashing.

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And I never said that I felt that you were saying I was race bashing. I specifically said that the OP wasnt race bashing, nor is this thread race bashing.
It's just people giving their feedback and you seem to have problems with that.
Reading is hard, I know.



As for the general topic on proportions: I just refuse to believe that female elezen were meant to look this weird because male elezen are perfectly fine. they do NOT have heads that are too small or shoulders that are too broad.
They look PERFECTLY FINE. Why would the females be an exception to that. It was already mentioned before that they did a poor job on some of the faces too. Who is say that their proportions werent messed up too?

Elezen's are the most beautiful race ever, but alas- I prefer midlander when it comes to glamour.
I dislike the proportions elezen's are given with gear and animations can look a bit odd. I main ninja and all I can see are flailing arms whenever I use spinning slash and it's generally a huge turn off for playing as the race.

I was originally an elezen but after 2 years i had enough of their running animation and the god awful neck look on outfits with no collar.

Oh, but elezen style is beautiful! pose and what not.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

As for the general topic on proportions: I just refuse to believe that female elezen were meant to look this weird because male elezen are perfectly fine. they do NOT have heads that are too small or shoulders that are too broad.

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Sorry, disagree. People only say this because they expect men to have broad shoulders, and women to have narrow. Male elezen also have "tiny heads" so I'm not sure where everyone is getting the idea that male elezen are ~perfectly proportioned~ from.

Personally don't think there's anything wrong with the way Elezens look. I may make jokes from time to time about how they look like a stretched out alien, but I don't dislike them. It's like how Lalafells are obviously half potato, half midget... they look fine for what they are.

That being said Elezen are not my cup of tea, especially not male Elezen. I much prefer the much sexier Highlander.

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Originally Posted by Katsuragi_

I often look at it and think they're some kind of bastard child, specially when I take into consideration all the highlander npcs in the game that are actually just midlanders labeled differently.

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When Lyse said she was a Highlander, I was just like, "haha, what."

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I just refuse to believe that female elezen were meant to look this weird

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Except them looking 'weird' to you is completely subjective, they look absolutely fine to me, and based on some of the responses in this thread, to others. I can sit here and give my opinion that Au Ra look weird, and have the exact same merit. I don't like Au Ra, so I won't play one. I'm not gonna go argue in a thread saying Au Ra should be changed in X manner to fit my tastes. There is absolutely no way that this argument can resolve because it's entirely based on opinion and personal taste.
I like my elezen, I like how she looks, I do not want her changed. If they wish to add more options such as faces and the like? By all means, but do not change the core of the race.

With the right camera angle, you can see holes or gaps on elezens' forehead to their hair. I don't think this add proportion was intended. Only steroid using body-builders have this kind of body

Anyone else find it ironic that Faliandra thinks Elezens look weird, but they are using an Elezen? XD

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Anyone else find it ironic that Faliandra thinks Elezens look weird, but they are using an Elezen? XD

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She's an Au Ra now, fantas just take a while to update on the forums. I was still a miqo'te in my picture for like 3 days after fanta-ing.
http://puu.sh/wFoex.jpg

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

She's an Au Ra now, fantas just take a while to update on the forums. I was still a miqo'te in my picture for like 3 days after fanta-ing.
http://puu.sh/wFoex.jpg

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Ah. Alright. I just thought it was funny. o_o Nothing against her, it was just ironic, or so I though.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

Except them looking 'weird' to you is completely subjective, they look absolutely fine to me, and based on some of the responses in this thread, to others. I can sit here and give my opinion that Au Ra look weird, and have the exact same merit. I don't like Au Ra, so I won't play one. I'm not gonna go argue in a thread saying Au Ra should be changed in X manner to fit my tastes. There is absolutely no way that this argument can resolve because it's entirely based on opinion and personal taste.
I like my elezen, I like how she looks, I do not want her changed. If they wish to add more options such as faces and the like? By all means, but do not change the core of the race.

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I understand and respect that you like your elezen as she is. However, the reason why I refuse to believe it is because all the artwork ive ever seen of them doing female elezen does not make them look like this.

I also dont want elezen to turn into another anime waifu race. It's what I appreciate about elezen. Their height, their lady-like faces. I just want a bit more normalized head to body ratio.

Tbh, Im not exactly happy with any race. I just swap once every while when I cant take these flaws anymore.
I love elezen,but I can only tolerate the the body-head ratio for so long before I cant stand it anymore. I love catgirls and used to main one for the longest time, but I've grown tired of them and I just feel a bit too much like a living anime teenage girl.
I love Au Ra but they have this empty gaze...its hard to make their eyes look somewhat vivid. Lalas are just too cute to identify myself with although i find them adorable, femroes are just too masculine and chunky for me and hyur/normal human races just never
really interested me because they have no interesting features(e.g. elven ears, aura scales, cat ears, tails etc...). I am however an elven lover and always have been, so it IS quite a struggle for me that I would like to play Elezen because I feel it would be my identity but the proportions just throw me off after a while. And I just think that, while ofc theres people who share your opinion, there are quite a few people who would share my opinion too....because you keep seeing people who say they would love to play elezen IF IT WASNT for their proportions. And if SE wanted to, there would be several options to fix this without upsetting players like you:

Be it some slider additions whenever they will update character customization, be it a third elezen clan thats just a bit more petite maybe or an actual new half-elezen race,kinda like Hilda is.

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

Anyone else find it ironic that Faliandra thinks Elezens look weird, but they are using an Elezen? XD

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anyone else find it ironic that VanilleFang doesnt read properly through threads where they would find an answer for the exact thing theyre questioning and instead prefer to make pointless, irrelevant claims such as these?

Lulz u so funneh.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

~A whole lotta snip~

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I feel like the crossbreed race would probably be the best option on all fronts. Taller and more elegant than the normal Hyur, but with with more 'standard-issue' hyur proportions. It would be able to fill the niche people want the Elezen changed to, without needlessly screwing over people, like myself, who do not want changes.Hopefully it would also have a unique running animation, as I know plenty of people hate both the Elezen run and the Midlander run.

Also, apologies if I came across as hostile, it wasn't particularly caused by this thread or the people in it, I've just been getting some grade A teams in the feast, and salt levels are approaching the sea.

I think elezens are fine as they are. I play a male elezen and my friend plays a female elezen and both of us are content with them. I won't say no to additional customisation, of course, but I don't see what the big deal is, either.

If you want to say that some clothes don't look good on them, then the same can be said to pretty much every non-hyur race. I love my femroe, but I dislike the broad shoulders and macho arms, so I tend to hide them. Every race has its "problems". For example I personally really dislike male miqo'te default stance and male elezen change poses and just the general look and animations of both au ras, but I don't make a big deal out of it and just work around the negative by concentrating on the positive.

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Originally Posted by Syfurion

I feel like the crossbreed race would probably be the best option on all fronts.

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They held a poll for this a very long time ago, I can scarce remember the consensus but I think most people were more interested in a new race rather than playing jigsaw with the current ones.

Paying close attention to Garlean's though (Eula van Darnus & Nero). They have have Elezen qualities (Height, arm length) while sharing some aspects from a Midlander's appearance and it would be nice to have something like that down the line.

Male Elezens are the best males in my opinion.

The females have pretty faces and I like their standing poses, but the tiny heads, massive shoulders and giraffe necks kill it for me.

In all honesty, I never really noticed the necks. People's perceptions of beauty astound me.

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Originally Posted by Faliandra

I quoted you LITERALLY saying that. So stop denying it. lol






And I never said that I felt that you were saying I was race bashing. I specifically said that the OP wasnt race bashing, nor is this thread race bashing.
It's just people giving their feedback and you seem to have problems with that.
Reading is hard, I know.



As for the general topic on proportions: I just refuse to believe that female elezen were meant to look this weird because male elezen are perfectly fine. they do NOT have heads that are too small or shoulders that are too broad.
They look PERFECTLY FINE. Why would the females be an exception to that. It was already mentioned before that they did a poor job on some of the faces too. Who is say that their proportions werent messed up too?

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This is another problem with these type of threads. People personally attacking people who disagree with them. 1st something is wrong with me, then you say I and another person can't read. Later on you include another person with the same insult. You seriously need to chill out and concentrate on your idea not the persons behind theirs.

I like Elezen the way they are and don't want a single thing to change about them :)


To me the pros of being Elezen outweigh the cons. And even then, the cons don't even bother me that much.

I think Elezens look lovely and look great in almost every glamour.

I can definitely understand why others have issues with them though.

Honestly, I'm just glad i'm not anime waifu #1000000. The reason I play one comes from after being the blandest hyur in existence and seeing so many current copies of my hyur. It killed any interest I ever had in Hyurs because they quite frankly almost all look like NPCS. I'm Elezen because I think they look great. Sure, I do wish we could get the concept art Elezen but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think people go out of their way to bash things because they have the sense that every character needs to be a walking waifu. I personally don't enjoy that aspect and go for the more elegant look.

That being said... I wouldn't be mad if we got the concept Elezen or a way to make a half hyur/elezen. I'd play it just to get away from the same bland jokes people use on the internet.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

The reason I play one comes from after being the blandest hyur in existence and seeing so many current copies of my hyur.

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I'm genuinely surprised you even saw another Hyur. I rarely see other Hyurs aside from the occasional Warrior of Light remakes, and I see other Highlanders even less.

I love my Elezen, I will never change it nor do I have a desire to. Yes, the neck annoys me a little but it's part of the identity, and I want Square to keep it that way.

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

In all honesty, I never really noticed the necks. People's perceptions of beauty astound me.

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It's just easy to spot and sticks out on the most when being on pre-50 gear, really.

I occasionally kinda sorta wish we had every so slightly smaller hands (like just a tiny adjustment as personal preference).

But otherwise? Love 'em the way they are.

The bigger problem is their run animation. Oh god I crack up every time I see one of then run by. No matter how much you Elezen players defend their proportions you can't deny their run animation is embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

The bigger problem is their run animation. Oh god I crack up every time I see one of then run by. No matter how much you Elezen players defend their proportions you can't deny their run animation is embarrassing.

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Why would I find something embarrassing that I think is perfectly fine?

What is embarrassing is thinking your opinion holds enough sway over others that we have to defend ourselves from your opinion.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

The bigger problem is their run animation. Oh god I crack up every time I see one of then run by. No matter how much you Elezen players defend their proportions you can't deny their run animation is embarrassing.

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It's like you've never seen how Hyur midlanders run.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

It's like you've never seen how Hyur midlanders run.

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FeelsBadMan

I started as a female miqo'te and I think honestly deep down I will always be one. I go back to it every now and again. But with that being said I love my elezen. It's the only race ive been able to play more than three months without fantasing after a few weeks or so. Do I wish we could get adjustments? YEP. A new run animation cause God oh mighty its awful. Smaller hands, less broader shoulders. a shorter neck. But all in all I am very happy with my elezen <3

http://i.imgur.com/cdvk8Fb.png