Zenos Appreciation Thread [Massive Spoilers]

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Lyse says at the end that Zenos wasn't born a rabid beast, but was nurtured into one. It was obviously speculation on her part, but it's accurate to at least some extent considering what Elidibus and Varis are saying at the end. It seems like he was supposed to be pitiable, like Yotsuyu.

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Nahh, I don't feel like Varis has anything to do with the way Zenos is right now. During his talk with Elidibus he says something like "monsters are not meant to rule.", meaning that he is not ok with the fact that a monster like Zenos is rulling places right now, but he can not do a thing about it since that is his blood right. Now, ever since Zenos was born he was meant to rule thanks to his blood, so if Varis does not think a ruller should be a monster, then why would he raise a monster to rule? I think he only raised Zenos in a way he could be strong and determined and Zenos by himself turned into the beast that he calls himself.

I've been very disillusioned with the Scions for a while now; No emotion when Minfillia left, was a little sad to see Papalymo go, almost cheered when it looked like it was Y'Stola's turn, kept waiting for Thancred to bite it, hopefully Lyse will be out of the picture soon not being a 'scion' anymore .. I'll probably be a little sad when Urianger goes and I like the twins well enough because I have an affinity for Elezen. (How could anyone honestly hate Tataru?)

Now let me tell you a thing.. I was so emotionally drained after that final scene with Zenos I had to log out and just go to bed. The last death that hit me that hard was Haurchefant, who I still mourn to this day. Do I agree with what he did? No. But I did begin to pity him I guess.. And from that grew a strange form of love for his character. (Plus, having someone who could actually kick the WoL's ass around was an amazing change of pace) That last line just hit me like a truck.

Bravo to the team for writing such an amazing character, boo for killing him off so quickly..


Would also like to show my support for a minion and portrait ; ;

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Originally Posted by Kinkoz

You all told Zenos that you'd accept him as a friend, right?

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Of course.
I would never deny him.

That dude felt so Kefka-ish, blonde hair, doubtable sanity and magitek experiment to acquire magic, not caring about anything but what would make his life fun even if it means killing and destroying

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Originally Posted by Kinkoz

You all told Zenos that you'd accept him as a friend, right?

Right?

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Well on the first time when he was alive, I said no because I don't accept senseless killing, as that is what he stood for at the time. After he died, I went back into theater, and accepted him as a being. ^_^

Zenos × WoL otp

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Originally Posted by Arutan

That dude felt so Kefka-ish, blonde hair, doubtable sanity and magitek experiment to acquire magic, not caring about anything but what would make his life fun even if it means killing and destroying

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Isn't that what we do too? I mean look at all the people and beings we murdered for fun. For their shiny loot? He's pretty close to a player character in a MMO, mentality-wise.

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Zenos was nothing more then a bland Blood Knight.

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Exactly my thought.

Wan't a huge fan. This was SE's chance to show the other side of the Empire. To flesh them out as more than mustace-twirling evil nazis. Instead, we get three types of ax-crazy in sadistic (Yotsuyu), angry (Fordola) and emotionless killer (Zenos).

They were all very one note. Zenos was strong, but that was all he had. That and the ability to look stoned all the time.

I also tend to prefer the play the more heroic, good guy type so I denied him completely.

His death was bittersweet for me. Bitter because finally we had a COMPELLING big-bad in the MSQ and they go and off him, but also sweet ih that they won't drag out his story arch into eye roll material like Nero.

I think they should lay his character to rest respectfully and not diminsh his impact by pulling a Sultana on us. (However a piece of me is hoping for a dedicated Primal fight against him...and no, not some Shinryu mash-up - I mean a fight purely of Zenos).

I would have liked him more had his entire reason for existing and pretty much any choice he made had more substance than trying to find someone stronger than himself. It's a tired and overused trope, especially in anime series. I was kind of hoping i would genuinely dislike him for his actions hoping he was just a vile and evil creature. He's a great character don't get me wrong, I just wish he had a better ulterior motive for his choices.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Wan't a huge fan.

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I think you missed the point of the thread.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I think you missed the point of the thread.

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No, I understand the point of the thread. I just disagree with its sentinement.

Zenos was the FFXIV Villian that I've been waiting for: He was badass and He knew it and was a actual threat which was cool,We are a Primal Slaying-World Saving Warrior of Light and Zenos showed up smacked us and told us to sit down and actually matched up to us AND MORE. I wanted to see more of what He could have done in the future patches with him and his studies with the echo and us finding out that it could be given artificially. I was glad that his arc didnt end with typical FFXIV "Ascians did it Ascians did it" way but man with how powerful He was I wanted to see more of his character.

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Originally Posted by DarkSlayerGrimm

I was glad that his arc didnt end with typical FFXIV "Ascians did it Ascians did it" way

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Right? I mean... I really like powerfull evil entites who have everybody playing in the palm of their hands. But the issue with the ascians are:

1 - They are/were immortal. Immortal characters tend to be very boring because they lack the will to achieve things that mortals have, thus become very lacking in their ploting and actions "if anything goes wrong I can always try again.";

2 - They are not very powerfull, it feels like as long as they can not release Zodiark then they just are not a thing to worry about;

3 - They lack individuality, every single ascian we've met thus far is just "plot to release Zodiark, plot to release Zodiark..."

4 - Thanks to the issues presented at 1, every single ascian single ascian we've met thus far ended up looking like an idiot, dying in a fight that they did not have to fight.

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Originally Posted by DarkSlayerGrimm

Zenos was the FFXIV Villian that I've been waiting for: He was badass and He knew it and was a actual threat which was cool,We are a Primal Slaying-World Saving Warrior of Light and Zenos showed up smacked us and told us to sit down and actually matched up to us AND MORE. I wanted to see more of what He could have done in the future patches with him and his studies with the echo and us finding out that it could be given artificially. I was glad that his arc didnt end with typical FFXIV "Ascians did it Ascians did it" way but man with how powerful He was I wanted to see more of his character.

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The first time I'll give you, though I'm still convinced he'd been given the Echo at that point, but the second and third times he had a magic plot sword from Susano that let him go super saiyan. If Yotsuyu hadn't coincidentally found it, we'd have killed him in Doma.

I honestly prefer Grynewaht.

I wish I could go fishing with Zenos.

What if Zenos is actually a clone, and the real "Zenos" is the white ascian Elidibus?

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

What if Zenos is actually a clone, and the real "Zenos" is the white ascian Elidibus?

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Everything is possible. The reaction of his father in the end was pretty weird.

I liked him, definitely one of the best characters of Stormblood. But I would never be his friend, he was so whiny and unhappy. I don't need that negative aura around me all the time, bad enough I have to save the world multiple times.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

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Originally Posted by LystAP

Isn't that what we do too? I mean look at all the people and beings we murdered for fun. For their shiny loot? He's pretty close to a player character in a MMO, mentality-wise.

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Well the thing is that the animation make you think we kill them all but look at the dungeon where we fight the maelstrom or the coliseum, we don't kill those dude we just defeat them but they still have a death animation. So maybe we don't kill as much as we think. We surely do kill some people tho tho.

I have to admit Zenos was a pretty cool villIan and what I thought was interesting is he claimed the echo was basicly like our version of tempering but like 2 oposing waves the stronger overtakes the weaker kind of implying the wol is like a primal/eikon themselves

Just food for thought I've suspected this to be true for awile now but all in all zenos is the villain we never knew we wanted lol he just wanted a worthy oponent

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Originally Posted by Riardon

Everything is possible. The reaction of his father in the end was pretty weird.

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That's exactly what came to my mind the moment I saw that cutscene.

He had the most perfect and shapely lips as well ;;

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Originally Posted by Alynn

He had the most perfect and shapely lips as well ;;

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And long gorgeous hair.

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Originally Posted by syunikiss

And long gorgeous hair.

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Those beautiful clear blue eyes you could get lost in.

To be honest, when it comes down to it, Zenos was kind of a bland character... He was a big and powerful threat, he looked awesome and I enjoyed the battles against him, but his personality boiled down to "insane blood knight".

Yotsuyu on the other hand, oh boy did I want her to suffer in the most painful way possible. As glad as I was to see Gogetsu alive after the credits, I did not enjoy seeing Yotsuyu alive as well. Please don't let her become a Karma Houdini and please don't give her a redemption arc, she is simply an utterly vile woman whose childhood does nothing to excuse her wicked sadism. I pray she gets what's coming to her, and I pray we'll be the ones to deliver it to her personally.

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Originally Posted by Dameron

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Thankfully the setting is much more nuanced than 'good' and 'evil'. Yotsuyu is a very interesting character because she is so broken - and whilst she has done horrific things she has hardly beyond redemption. Furthermore she highlights that Doma wasn't necessarily a pleasant place and that whilst screaming about 'liberation' is all well and good it matters little if the mistakes of the past are not acknowledged. You can't blame Doma's rot before Garlemald's occupation on Garlemald itself which is what a lot of people seem to be doing. Yotsuyu was only ever shown kindness at the hands of Garlemald.

There's also a considerable amount of people who prefer this game's antagonists to the protagonists so killing off every antagonist and holding them fully to account will only serve to make the story very bland.

My bro. I cry everytime...
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I have such a thing for bad guys *blushes*

I'd really want a zenos minion.

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Originally Posted by syunikiss

I'd really want a zenos minion.

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Nah. It'd wander around, getting in the way and attacking your ankles, demanding you to fight it so it can feel something. I don't need that kind of edgelord minion.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Nah. It'd wander around, getting in the way and attacking your ankles, demanding you to fight it so it can feel something. I don't need that kind of edgelord minion.

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I do. Please gib.

Zenos really did nothing for me. He's the same tired trope of an FF villain the franchise uses too much. He kills and kills only because he's bored and wants someone as his equal. Yeah, he's your friend in the end but enemy... cool stuff but what did Zenos really do? We knew nothing much about him and then oh my he calls upon Shinryu and then oh shite.. he's dead! Why do people like Zenos again? I mean he's the best Garlean villain but in reality that means nothing because they are all crappy villains. Personally, I want to get past Garlemald and go to something new. I know for sure Elidibus is the main villain of this thing and i'm tired of him being an enigmatic piss off.

I'm amazed to see people like Zenos. I mean he had a cool design but not much else of him was great. Lyse is the best character in this expansion by a long mile. Her voice actress knocked it out of the park.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

Nah. It'd wander around, getting in the way and attacking your ankles, demanding you to fight it so it can feel something. I don't need that kind of edgelord minion.

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That actually sounds adorable.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

I'm amazed to see people like Zenos. I mean he had a cool design but not much else of him was great. Lyse is the best character in this expansion by a long mile. Her voice actress knocked it out of the park.

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I hated Lyse this expansion. I wanted to punch the shit out of her just to make her shut up for the majority of the time she was talking.

Zenos is actually the only char I rly appreciated as a Person in this game. I think he was the only one to actually understand out character more than the Scions themselves. He asked if we take a walk in the garden for the next hours wich i replied yes, for the simple reason. I wanted to walk with the man who is my enemy hut yet somehow a man I can appreciate. Shall he rest in piece, he deserved a better death.

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

I hated Lyse this expansion. I wanted to punch the shit out of her just to make her shut up for the majority of the time she was talking.

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What the hell? Why?

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

What the hell? Why?

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I'm assuming she's changed VAs. I could be wrong but her voice is definitely not pleasant to hear just because of how fake and forced her VAs voiced her. Zenos was great because he pushed us to our limits. We're the WoL. Literally nothing can touch us but Zenos proved otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Alynn

I'm assuming she's changed VAs. I could be wrong but her voice is definitely not pleasant to hear just because of how fake and forced her VAs voiced her. Zenos was great because he pushed us to our limits. We're the WoL. Literally nothing can touch us but Zenos proved otherwise.

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Yeah, you dont know what you are talking about. Her voice was in no way even forced. Do you even know what a good character is?