ffxiv royal menagerie trial Normal

Now that you know this fight is giving you difficulty, what have you done to change that? Have you watched Mr. Happy's guide? Are you making sure your gear is repaired? Have you looked to see if anyone has info or footage about clearing it from your role's perspective to ensure you are playing optimally? Are you using food / potions / etc. that might give you an edge? Does your gear have materia on it?

I'm not necessarily saying that every person who does this boss should have to do all of these things. But I do think there are a lot of things a person can and should do before they come on here begging for SE to swing the nerf bat. I have looked at the video and I'm 95% sure that with my eyesight this guy's gonna be annoying. But I want to beat him as is because that's how he was intended.

That said, I do agree with those who feel difficulty spikes need better management. That can throw anyone off.

I beat it in my first df party group. Took two tries. Nobody explained anything.

It will come with time as experience and gear gets better

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Originally Posted by Katryn

Now that you know this fight is giving you difficulty, what have you done to change that? Have you watched Mr. Happy's guide? Are you making sure your gear is repaired? Have you looked to see if anyone has info or footage about clearing it from your role's perspective to ensure you are playing optimally? Are you using food / potions / etc. that might give you an edge? Does your gear have materia on it?

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You don't need ANY of this stuff, specially the materia, food/potions or playing optimally. You don't even need guides but I get where you are coming from.
Using "high-end raiding" strategies? Nope xD

Hmmmm no

No nerfing

I cleared it on my second pull in a random DF with 6 other newbies. Is it harder than what you've seen so far in StormBlood? Yes. Is it so hard it needs nerfs? Heck no!

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

But it's not hard..it just requires you to actually pay attention..

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Just like every other thing in the game.
People just wanna faceroll every single thing.
GitGud I guess.

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Originally Posted by Dsync

I get the feeling that the amount that would quit because they can't advance the story will far outweigh those that will quit because a single story mission was nerfed. People still have their extremes and the like, so it's not as if there's no other content that requires skill.

This on the other hand blocks further progression in the story for those less able. People constantly go on about "this is a story-driven game", and that is what many have said they play it for. Block casuals (less able/effort) this early on in an expansion and then people can't get upset when SE start using Mogstation to sell even more things to make up the shortfall, putting stuff up that should be in the game in the first place.

Not nerfing it isn't going to stop the sea of shitty players you meet who can't be bothered in normal expert roulette runs and the like.

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Less skilled players will naturally start to clear it more often as the average item level of those who know what they're doing gets higher. As their item level gets higher, it becomes easier for them to carry others on their back through the content.

Many "Story driven games" still prevent you from proceeding unless you "git gud" and beat the content. This isn't early into the content, it's literally the end of the current expansion right now. People have no excuse for failing the final trial. There's 70 levels worth of content to teach them everything they need to know to get through it.

Nearly group I've done it with clears it within 2-3 wipes. This definitely does not need a nerf and it works great in easing people into more difficult content. Don't forget, odd number patches will only include 1 new dungeon with the resources that were usually allocated for a second dungeon be used towards new content, and the dev team has expressed interest in making more difficult 4-man content (apparently like the last set of floors of PotD). If that turns out to be the case, this trial may be a good step towards easing players into those more difficult content if they wish to do them.

I think its fine for a final trial, the difficulty is about where the hard mode warring triad were, as stated above for end expansion content its fine.

Nerf it till you can sit there auto-attacking and still get a clear like Thorndan Normal?.........no thanks this has you dodging mechanic after mechanic hitting you with huge attacks BOOM BOOM woah what now dodge this and the MUSIC OMG the music is so good

How disappointing it would have been if the final fight was a complete faceroll like Thordan but c'mon this was the final trial of Stormblood Im glad they never cheaped out on the difficulty and can't wait for the Ex Version

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Originally Posted by Aerowaffle

Less skilled players will naturally start to clear it more often as the average item level of those who know what they're doing gets higher. As their item level gets higher, it becomes easier for them to carry others on their back through the content.

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But then they're just getting carried anyway, which kind of defeats the point of not nerfing it. If not a nerf then the Verity equipment could be made available upon completing the level 70 dungeon that precedes this. You already start earning that anyway.

This will just be another Steps of Faith. People will do a trial roulette > Get This > Eat The 30 minutes > Others follow

I'd help you if we were in the same datacenter. It's not really hard, but it's also hard for me to buy your story. First off, you say that you spent 10 hours, then 12 hours (Both times posted with a 3 minutes of difference) non-stop trying to clear this, 3 days ago. Yesterday you stated that you spent 8. So you also say that you belong to a 140+ FC, yet when I check your lodestone, you're in a 4-man FC, not even 70. These last elements might be due how slow the Lodestone might be updating? Although I'm not completely sure about it since mine updates quite quickly.

Based on how you post, the things you post (post history) and the lack of replies, you may as well be an alt and, of course, a troll.

This trail is too easy. I'm yawning. In fact, SE should add an echo for this dungeon. Not for us, but for Shinryu.
It's a freaking dragon, and dragons are supposed to be legendary creatures, but all it takes to beat it are 8 mortals with pointy sticks and flashy lights, zzzzzz.....

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Originally Posted by Dsync

But then they're just getting carried anyway, which kind of defeats the point of not nerfing it. If not a nerf then the Verity equipment could be made available upon completing the level 70 dungeon that precedes this. You already start earning that anyway.

This will just be another Steps of Faith. People will do a trial roulette > Get This > Eat The 30 minutes > Others follow

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Steps of Faith was nerfed because you needed everyone in the party to coordinate and do the mechanics 100% perfectly (missing one dragonkiller guaranteeing a slow and boring wipe, I think). A better example you could use would be the Final Steps of Faith (which people did/do bail on), which was a fairly difficult fight with a strict DPS check.

That was never nerfed.

DO NOT NERF IT. PLEASE NO.

Let's not let it be another Steps of Faith and get nerf right after patch!

Please do not nerf it I havent tried it yet and I would REALLY love to have some challenging content this sounds good n fun to me. :)

All of the mechanics in that fight we've seen at least once somewhere before. People needed to pay attention and actually notice what was going on around them and then, clear. Why would the need to nerf? Oh right because people don't know what a mechanic is.

Incoming new item: Primeval Brew, now you too can solo Shinryu

Seriously though. No. Don't nerf. BAD -whack!- This fight was fun and epic on a scale that Thordan failed to deliver (visuals aside). Went in blind and won after 2 wipes. It caused us to communicate, can you believe such a thing? Great fight, leave your nerfy fingers off it and get better, jeez

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Originally Posted by Dsync

But then they're just getting carried anyway, which kind of defeats the point of not nerfing it. If not a nerf then the Verity equipment could be made available upon completing the level 70 dungeon that precedes this. You already start earning that anyway.

This will just be another Steps of Faith. People will do a trial roulette > Get This > Eat The 30 minutes > Others follow

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"Defeats the point of not nerfing" that's an interesting phrase... The burden lies on you to prove why nerfing is better than not nerfing, inaction doesn't need to justify itself because the devs intended for the fight to be this way.

Asking for a nerf after 2 weeks out???

You might want to consider playing PAC - MAN or games a like

This old chestnut. It's a wicked fight. Looking forward to Minstrels Ballad. Granted it took me 4 queues cos a friend and I got queued up with players who just aren't use to that kind of coordination, be it new or aren't willing to improve their game. Some players are just happy with facerolling content living in Duty Finder Dungeons. But to OP it needs nothing changed.

He's the final boss of course he's gonna be hard :( I also found it hard but enjoyable, I got an FC party together and we cleared first try, came out shaking with adrenaline at the amount of clutch moments, not experienced that feeling in ages in FFXIV as a healer.

Cleared it in two wipes with a blind PUG and a full 270 right side. I suggest you acquire skill.

You CAN'T have epic music like phase 2 and be a faceroll. This is everything Thordan should have been on launch and MORE!

Literally the best trial in the game right now.

Difficulty to it is fine, but wouldn't mind it having less white screen/seizure-inducing moments though.

as a tank only issue i had was not being able to pull camera back enough

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Originally Posted by Kengi_Stargazer

Please lower the difficulty of the ffxiv royal menagerie trial. I spent over 12 hours non stop with several parties of all kinda trying to clear this content however its simply Impossible to beat unless I spent Millions in Gil to buy a clear from people who managed to beat it. This game has been a great thing to bring people together and have fun but this latest trial fight has made the game impossible to play I even tried beating it with the 140+ member FC I am part of and simply It just cannot be beaten even with understanding of all the mechanics of the fight he deals far too much damage repeatedly. Please Lower this difficulty or make trials like this completely optional and no longer part of the story line as its ruining a game I have played since 1.0

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Its not that hard, you just need to get good.

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Originally Posted by Mature

Asking for a nerf after 2 weeks out???

You might want to consider playing PAC - MAN or games a like

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I die to the ghosts. Please nerf

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Originally Posted by Kengi_Stargazer

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This is final boss. Where you expecting to hit one button and kill it?
It doesn't need a nerf, it's good as it is cause it feels like a true final boss from the story and feels more rewarding to kill it.

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Originally Posted by MikaIto

as a tank only issue i had was not being able to pull camera back enough

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Some of these big fights need to let you pull the camera out further. I mean what's the point creating these big bosses if you can't fully see them

As is usually the case with MSQ-based instances, the difficulty isn't in the content itself but having to deal with players that can't grasp basic mechanics (or refusing to follow instructions). So much of that fight is just you staying in the middle square unless forced to move outside of it momentarily, before going back and repeating the process. If people learned to not panic and get confused over the mechanics that's been around so many times in previous content (hence having the same solutions to overcoming them), they'd actually see the fight for the simple (albeit flashy) spectacle it is.

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Originally Posted by Kengi_Stargazer

Please lower the difficulty of the ffxiv royal menagerie trial. I have played since 1.0

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Man... you been playing since 1.0 and you find this difficult? People like you ruin the developers creativity by whining about stuff like this. You make them second guess their own creations. I'm from a generation where we just played the games people made, and not complain around every corner. Like we contacted Capcom and wrote a letter that mega man 3 was to hard and demand that they patch it because I can't get passed that jump cause a bullet knocks be back when I jump and I die...

" I demand you change the game to cater to my skill level! Never mind the other 8 million people playing cause I'm a special snowflake." Listen to yourself man...

I'm at 67 now. I'm actually getting pretty hyped over how allegedly difficult this boss is. A super boss from 20 years ago(?) deserves to keep its legacy.
I hope its not another Ozma where the boss was easy and even just observing the arena for a second you could guess where you need to put your markers.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Some of these big fights need to let you pull the camera out further. I mean what's the point creating these big bosses if you can't fully see them

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I agree with this. More than once I've wished the camera could zoom out just a bit further in certain fights.

As for the Menagerie... the group I got had trouble the first time I tried (we ended up vote abandoning), and the second group I got the day after gave up really quickly (after a couple of wipes). Then I got into an in-progress queue and once the party filled again we beat it on the first go. I think it just really depends on whether or not people can (for the most part) do the mechanics.

No, please do NOT nerf it. Do you really just want to rush through an enemy who is suppoed to be strong and mighty? Do you not feel any kind of accomplishment after beating him? Jesus... It took me several hours and groups as well but beating it felt SO good.

The fight itself isn't even hard... He has a lot of "mechanics" but most of them you don't even need to really "know" or are reused and you already saw them (tethers, shiva ult and frozen ground, puddles to reduce fire dmg and so on). It has nothing really NEW. Yes some might instantly kill you because you saw them for your first time but they shouldn't be so hard to grasp. Also.. You have 7 other ppl with you. Talk. to. each. other. And share ideas/thoughts on mechanics. It is not science to figure out that if a tornado spawns in the middle and knocks you back you need to run towards it again to not fall off the area.

If Square Enix starts and nerfs stuff all the time people won't improve and get better. Do it, learn from it and get better. Dungeons are already easy enough with ignorable mechanics all the time....

I haven't gotten to that point yet in msq but the more I'm hearing about this boss the more I'm looking forward to it :D Please for the love of Hydaelyn do not nerf it

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Originally Posted by Kengi_Stargazer

I have played since 1.0

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I have difficulty believing this as content in 1.0 was far more difficult than anything in 2.0+. In 1.0 we didn't get fancy things like telegraphs or special markers or even HP% on the targets HP bar. The bosses in 2.0 onwards became the equivalent of anime/cartoon antagonists where they literally tell you/show you what they're about to do so you can step out of the way.

This fight does not need to be nerfed in any way shape or form. You just need a team willing to communicate, or at the very least able to see and recognize markers and telegraphs. I'm not saying it's super easy, but it's most definitely not impossible. It's an ideal level of difficulty for anyone that's just obtained their AF gear, as well as a good difficulty for a final boss. I personally loved the fight. It's just so fun as it is.

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Originally Posted by MikaIto

as a tank only issue i had was not being able to pull camera back enough

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I have to agree with this even thought I'm a dps, I feel camera is too much close on that fight

While i can understand for some players it may pose an issue as it is part of the msq, however the warrior of light should have some difficulty. Enough with nerfs, it is bad for the community.
People will just have to pray they get a good pug group or make one composed of FC member or friends

....if this isn't a troll post, what the hell is going on in Hyperion? The only people I've seen have issues with main story fights are people brand new to the game, like less than a month new and struggle with GCDs vs oGCDs. I dont understand this.

I am curious everyone says to other players get good get better or don't do the fight quit the game Etc. I've wondered why does it bother you?, assuming you'll never party with them or anything what does it bother you if a player gets better or not at the game forget if they asked for a Nerf or not at all in the basic sense why is it so bothersome?

No this isn't to say that I want it I'm just curious as I see all these comments about don't do it don't do it and so on.