Sprint: The nerf nobody wanted

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Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon

and that is a fine point in terms of long distance travel. however, once one thinks about how often they needed to go from point A to point B in the game, id rather just run short distances than awkwardly mount and dismount to the location i wanted to go.

i know at first sight it seems that a majority of us wants the old sprint system back, but i can tell you right now that this is not the case. you have no reason to defend what the developers have done.

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Liking the change is a pretty good reason I would say.

i just realized how bad it must be for new players with the new CD increase.

especially since they will not have mounts until level 20...

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

Liking the change is a pretty good reason I would say.

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it does not mean that others can just deal with it. people are already speaking their mind.

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Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon

it does not mean that others can just deal with it. people are already speaking their mind.

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Hey I didn't say "you have no reason to defend what the developers have done" in regards to someone else's opinion. That was all you. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, I was just defending the other guy's right to think different from you.

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Originally Posted by Vhoxz

they changed it from a out of combat ability (for most) to something everyone can actually use in combat. If you want to get somewhere fast use your mount

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Mounts don't work everywhere such as cities. Not cities all have internal porting ability nor are the terminals always convenient.

As an DRK its the least of my concern its a buff to tp users and a nerf to non tp users that's all. As player tho they have robbed all my classes of there former identity or just outright made them useless :/

thansk god i main bard <3 peloton 5s cd 30s duration , less speed but oh well

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Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon

i just realized how bad it must be for new players with the new CD increase.

especially since they will not have mounts until level 20...

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yeah it gonna sucks for newbies :(

What I find even dumber is that normal sprint doesn't exist in PVP. You have to waste an ability slot to have it. smh

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Originally Posted by MiniOmegaDragon

to all mage only players Try being Dow and having Sprint Trust me its hell i love the change and i am Dom and Dow

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To all DoW players. Try being DoL and having to wait 60 seconds to sprint between nodes. Or worse, have it be on cooldown when you accidently agro a mob.

This 60 second CD should only apply while in combat, and not at all for gatherers.

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Originally Posted by Mnemosynia

As an DRK its the least of my concern its a buff to tp users and a nerf to non tp users that's all. As player tho they have robbed all my classes of there former identity or just outright made them useless :/

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i agree

to add, this is of no benefit to non-TP users in any way, shape, or form.

to explain in detail, casters and healers never used TP anyway, so why should the cost TP matter exclusively for sprint to them? now, sprint is on a 60s CD and still allows the player to only sprint for 20s.

in conclusion, healer and caster mobility was nerfed to the ground, while TP-based melee and ranged attacks were buffed.

im requesting that the devs keep the CD as it is now, but allow us to sprint for at least 40-30s. that sounds more fair.

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Originally Posted by MiniOmegaDragon

to all mage only players Try being Dow and having Sprint Trust me its hell i love the change and i am Dom and Dow

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It really wasn't at all. My paladin and my ninja would quite frequently make use of sprint. Sprint behind zurvan after the broken seal sprint to the big donuts to evade proper wind sprint like to the gnosis head in Sophia cos I'm way over there.

It really wasn't that bad at all. Nothing a quick invigorate wouldn't solve...

Casters needed it more. Because they're locked in position. Melee can smack that last hit of combo while already moving out of that air. Casters either cast or dodge can't do both.

http://i.imgur.com/3FWH3cm.png

Hooray, it's useful now!


...I preferred the 30 second cooldown though. :(

Either reduce the cool down to 45s, or increase duration to 30s, it's that simple

It is a buff, since my tank couldn't really use it at all before now. Running out of TP is something you do not want your PLD to do.

I wish they would of not doubled the cool down from 30s to 60s but I am getting used to this de-expansion since there are nerfs to everything.

My friend and I level as a PLD/WHM combo and while they are ecstatic about the change seeing as previously Sprint was mostly a button they accidentally pressed at inopportune moments, as a WHM it feels like a nerf. It gave a lot of flexibility to casters during dodge heavy mechanics that would otherwise have severely limited their up time due to our inability to cast and move at the same time and as a healer in general, it meant I could sometimes manage to get off one more heal before I had to book it. That could be the difference between life and death in some situations. I have no issue with them making the ability accessible to TP users but its rather irritating that the classes that really needed it the most have to suffer for it.

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Originally Posted by Hitsuzen

It is a buff, since my tank couldn't really use it at all before now. Running out of TP is something you do not want your PLD to do.

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its a great buff within combat for TP users, but to everything else (including short-distance travel and mount restricted areas), it's a nerf.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

http://i.imgur.com/3FWH3cm.png

Hooray, it's useful now!


...I preferred the 30 second cooldown though. :(

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Pay to win!

:P

I don't remember the Hermes' Shoes... :P

Complaints complaints complaints thats all I see lately, I'm glad for the new change as now Tanks and melee can now use the sprint and to be honest if you were meant to be able to sprint constantly the Dev's would have baked the skill into the character, If it was me I'd have removed it because you're all acting like spoilt children lately.

if the changes to sprint or switched to how they were previously, I'd rather it just affect gathering and building classes.

I think what they could've done is to change the CD base on the maps, if you're in an instance 60cd sounds reasonable, whereas if you're outside I believe it should be shorter, similar to skills in pvp having longer CD

I love the Sprint it is now. Tanks finnaly can use it.

Well, I don't honestly see why they can't just balance the best of both worlds.
IC: as is
OOC: old CD old Dur.

Seems pretty simple to me. Arguing one side vs the other is silly. Most DoW will like the change only because they don't have to sacrifice damage. Everyone else won't like change because it's a waste of an otherwise unused resource (TP). Elementary my dear Watson! use above solution, all peeplz happy.

Best change of the expansion imo, it's now usable across all roles, sure it took a cooldown hit as a result but in the end it allows for a great gap closing / getting out of fire ability for everyone.

For battle, I understand the 60s cooldown.

But on maps, to run, to swim, gather...
Extend the duration to 30s please...

im sorry, but there is just too many people that are too focused on what the change has to offer to classes that regularly use TP.

YES, we all can agree that this is a great buff to TP users. However, the problem is that this exclusively benefits TP users and nothing else. at all.

in terms of casters, short distance travel, mount restricted zones, and new players without mounts, this is a huge NERF!!

the devs need to increase sprint's duration to 30-40 seconds so that literally everyone can utilize the ability.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

As a melee main, this has been a huge buff.

I actually get to use the ability in combat for once >.>

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As a melee, I feel like I already had plenty sufficient mobility in combat. And in dungeons, I always wait until after combat to pop it for the double duration (or, the old amount). It's a good thing DRK is already dead to me, I guess, or I'd really be feeling it there.

And then on casters... or in town... It hurts, to put it simply. Quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Complaints complaints complaints thats all I see lately...

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What's the alternative? "This is good. Please don't change it!" ?

That certainly didn't work so well for other aspect of gameplay...

As a tank/melee, I'm really glad with this change.

Rework =/= Nerf

Why don't they just lower the cooldown out of combat? Wouldn't that be a fair compromise?

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Originally Posted by Fonkyama

As a tank/melee, I'm really glad with this change.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Rework =/= Nerf

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Ill say it again, because i know my point is still valid no matter how one thinks about it:

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Originally Posted by Mysticdraggon

im sorry, but there is just too many people that are too focused on what the change has to offer to classes that regularly use TP.

YES, we all can agree that this is a great buff to TP users. However, the problem is that this exclusively benefits TP users and nothing else. at all.

in terms of casters, short distance travel, mount restricted zones, and new players without mounts, this is a huge NERF!!

the devs need to increase sprint's duration to 30-40 seconds so that literally everyone can utilize the ability.

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

Why don't they just lower the cooldown out of combat? Wouldn't that be a fair compromise?

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it is entirely possible, but the concept is a system that players would need to understand.

it would be more simple to just increase sprint's effective time by 30-40 seconds before making an entirely new system.

On the whole, I love the change. It's great being able to sprint through dungeons, as well as never having to worry about wasting my TP in the overworld. It's pretty rough in towns, though.

Having different cooldowns in and out of combat might be tricky when entering/exiting combat in the midst of that cooldown. But I do think that they could give DoL classes a trait that reduces its cooldown back to its former level.

Why couldn't they have just kept the original "cooldown" (roughly the amount of time it took to regen TP to use it again)?

It's a fantastic addition. I can finally sprint in dungeons as my Machinist without having to waste invigorate

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Originally Posted by Beckett

On the whole, I love the change. It's great being able to sprint through dungeons, as well as never having to worry about wasting my TP in the overworld. It's pretty rough in towns, though.

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Oh I agree completely! Except this is not a new thing...for casters. Why did everyone have to suffer just so melee can have a no TP sprint? That is the only thing that should have been changed...sprint no longer costs TP *the end*

People will always find a reason to complain.