[dev1282] Gathering points are now marked on the minimap.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

It's speeding up the process of gathering materials. The correlation is clearly there. More speed = efficiency. If people are now gathering materials at a faster rate, you are introducing more materials in to the market. Is there anything that doesn't go over your head?

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Didn't you learn it's locations already? It will not speed up lvl50, but will simplify low level live.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Showing only active nodes would render certain DoL abilities obsolete. Considering the abilities in question were not abolished, the map will display locations where nodes appear. It will not display only active ones.

I've been saying the same thing since page one. I'm done rephrasing myself.

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How do you know that the mini map will show locations where they appear and not active nodes?

"•[dev1282] Gathering points are now marked on the minimap." Doesn't address whether the point is active or not. It may be that it will only show active locations and abilities will be made obsolete, thus "dumbing down" the activity.

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Originally Posted by Airget

give and take lol:
[dev1273] A single gathering attempt will now yield no more than one of the following items, as opposed to the previous maximum of three.

Cobalt Ore / Electrum Ore / Carbonized Matter / Petrified Matter / Fossilized Matter / Crystallized Matter / Germinated Matter / Decayed Matter / Decomposed Matter / Liquefied Matter / Calcified Matter / Cultured Matter / Ossified Matter / Cretified Matter

I wonder why they insist of making it harder on the blacksmith/goldsmith. I mean with Gathering wood it's only 1 piece of log to make lumber but ore on the other-hand takes 3-4 pieces to make the ingot. With how much it takes I just find it odd that they think it's a good idea to limit the amount of ore you can get to one. If anything ores quantity should range from 1-5 lol.

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On topic though at least it'll be easier to find those damn secondary nodes, if there was one prob with gathering that may be fixed slightly now is that the materials found through the main tool were more plentiful since those nodes were easier to find. With the % of obtaining items from secondary node as well as blindly seeking them out it made it harder to increase the quantity of those in the market.

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dont think of it as making it harder one certain crafts, the problem is actualy that mining itself has become somewhat devalued and this will help fix it.


ores are pretty much worthless now, and with them being gathered slower, they might be worth the time to do again as a form of profit.(cobalt is less then 1k each on besaid)

SE has already stated that they plan on changing gathering. They gave the example that 'some lumber might only be harvestable by a BTN with 300+ STR'. Telling someone 'Hey over here there might be a tree you can chop, still doesn't promise they will 1. be successful 2. get any items of value 3. attempt to even harvest the tree. or that 4. the node will be 'active' and available.

The markings on the map don't say 'Hey you! Come Chop me down baby! I'm full of Pine-y Goodness'. You still have to have the knowledge of where to farm the good stuff/mats you need (or at least the brainpower to find a resource site where you can find this information).

Lastly, while I don't feel it completely negates the current gatherer abilities, SE might be planning on rewriting them/changing them as well down the road.

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Originally Posted by Zoltan

How do you know that the mini map will show locations where they appear and not active nodes?

"•[dev1282] Gathering points are now marked on the minimap." Doesn't address whether the point is active or not. It may be that it will only show active locations and abilities will be made obsolete, thus "dumbing down" the activity.

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... because they did not remove the abilities. They just revamped every class in the game and how they learn skills and what skills they learn. If you think they were going to make skills obsolete and still keep them in the game, then I'm afraid the odds are heavily against you.

I cannot say I am certain. I'm merely looking at the facts and making an educated prediction. Something any person claiming they will show active nodes only has not done so far.

I just want to point out that this is only the minimap, so if you are farther away from a node you can still make use of the searching abilities.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I just want to point out that this is only the minimap, so if you are farther away from a node you can still make use of the searching abilities.

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All points which appear on the minimap also appear on the large map.

It only says minimap and not otherwise, but I guess we'll have to see. Enemy/NPC marker's dont appear on the main map.

I pleased to see this added. I don't see it as a problem at all. Currently all players can see where mobs are located, including the placement of a Notorious Monster. Letting gathering classes see on the map where the various nodes are located is, to me, very similar to making note of where mobs are on the map.

Just because a node appears on the map doesn't mean it has to always be active. Abilities can still be used to determine if an appropriate active node is in range of your character. Just seeing the node on the map doesn't tell you if the node is partially used up or not, or what the node may or may not contain. It just lets you know that it is a spawn point.

This is one of the changes I am very happy about in the upcoming patch.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

It only says minimap and not otherwise, but I guess we'll have to see. Enemy/NPC marker's dont appear on the main map.

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Perhaps you are correct. The markers just look similar to the NPC repair marker.

This clutters up my minimap too much and i can't tell where my pt members are or enemy mobs compared to the harvesting dots. And I'm partially colorblind so coloring them don't help.

I am super pumped for this! Thanks SE!

Thankyou SE !!

I would suggest

• Making the icons slightly larger yellow dots than the "picture" icons.

• Only show those for the class you have equipped, IE only show Mining nodes when you have the mining class equipped.

• Only show nodes that you have recently scanned for.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Course they add this after my miner is already 50 after much fun running around for hours....

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No worries rupi, you can re run all of that to get your shiny gold pick!

I can.. definitely see the utility here, but I would really, really like the option to turn these things off as well.

The map is already starting to get a bit crowded in places as-is, and even that aside I can see it looking untidy and I'm not even completely sure that, on the occasions I want to play as a gatherer, I'd even want to use the things. And that's setting aside that unlike most of the other icons, these are only really useful if you're a Disciple of the Land.

I mean definitely don't remove them (unless they went so far as to make the gathering nodes move about and finding them a constant part of the class gameplay.. which I'd think rather nice, but eh), but.. surely it'd be nice to be able to turn them off.

Hell, while we're at it, why not make it so we can go through the legend and tell it what icons and labels we do and don't want on out maps, in general?

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

I remember when I made this suggestion right after the lodestone forums went up

the ammount of hate i got over it was hilarious

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I was asking for compass on mini map when node is active. But this is just as a good. Of Course my idea got hated.

dont matter to me i already memorized the areas i gather.

Just makes it so lazy people can know where the nodes are.

Most people serious about gathering probably allready had there own maps made for the most part. Hopefully it doesn't just ping only the active nodes otherwise we may as well not even have harvesting skills related to find finding them.

I like how they added icons on the minimap for gathering spots. My question is, will they show up on the full-size map too...?

Also, I think it'd be nice to actually be able to draw things or write notes on our maps too, maybe to mark hidden underground paths, or good spots for exp parties, etc. That, and being able to show or hide various map markers like someone else suggested would be nice too, to avoid clutter.

What I'd like though is if they just changed it so gathering points could only be targeted by DoL classes. Gets annoying as I'm doing a leve as a combat class and I cycle through as I'm running just to spot a ??? mark and think it's a treasure chest. I'm not a DoL class, why do I need to know there's a gathering point to the left of me?

This is a welcome move.

I noticed the screenshot they provided shows only secondary gathering points (harvesting, quarrying, and spearfishing). And from experience there is almost always a logging point in that area (just northeast of Bentbranch), which is not shown. Maybe they only show secondary points, which would make sense since there is no ability to find them.

I wouldn't mind if they put the one primary gathering point you're currently searching for (with an ability) on the map, though - even the full map.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

I noticed the screenshot they provided shows only secondary gathering points (harvesting, quarrying, and spearfishing). And from experience there is almost always a logging point in that area (just northeast of Bentbranch), which is not shown. Maybe they only show secondary points, which would make sense since there is no ability to find them.

I wouldn't mind if they put the one primary gathering point you're currently searching for (with an ability) on the map, though - even the full map.

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^ This, based on the minimap shown I'm pretty sure is just pointing out quarry, spearfishing and harvesting points and not the rest(mining, fishing, logging), might be wrong but think is how it works... a Dev answer to clarify this would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Just makes it so lazy people can know where the nodes are.

Most people serious about gathering probably allready had there own maps made for the most part. Hopefully it doesn't just ping only the active nodes otherwise we may as well not even have harvesting skills related to find finding them.

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Because opening a Web browser and going to disciplesoftheland.com takes so much effort.

And who is gong to sit around and hand draw maps when there are abilities that tell you exactly where the active nodes are?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Just makes it so lazy people can know where the nodes are.

Most people serious about gathering probably allready had there own maps made for the most part. Hopefully it doesn't just ping only the active nodes otherwise we may as well not even have harvesting skills related to find finding them.

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I hate this kind of thinking, not everyone wants to make custom made maps.

There is a large difference between being lazy and being user friendly, generally lazy players don't even gather anyway.

I'm guessing you are an ex FF11 player because only one would come out with something so obtuse.

Good move SE, i hate going in circles only to realize the damn node is inside the mountain/cave whatever you want to call it.

While you are at it though, why not allow us to place map markers!?

Oh, too much to ask?.... ok I can wait until 2.0 i guess.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I hate this kind of thinking, not everyone wants to make custom made maps.

There is a large difference between being lazy and being user friendly, generally lazy players don't even gather anyway.

I'm guessing you are an ex FF11 player because only one would come out with something so obtuse.

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^this. Just like any other map markers or various indicators put into the game it really doesn't make anything inherently easier. It just more readily displays information which we still have to act upon.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

I noticed the screenshot they provided shows only secondary gathering points (harvesting, quarrying, and spearfishing). And from experience there is almost always a logging point in that area (just northeast of Bentbranch), which is not shown. Maybe they only show secondary points, which would make sense since there is no ability to find them.

I wouldn't mind if they put the one primary gathering point you're currently searching for (with an ability) on the map, though - even the full map.

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You are correct. Only secondary points will be marked on the mini-map.

•[dev1282] Harvesting, quarrying, and spearfishing points are now marked on the minimap.
* There are no markers for mining, logging, and fishing points."

We still need the ability to mark our own maps.