[Data Center USA] Ping increased. Report your changes here.

And to be honest folks, physical distance =/= better or worse ping in the ways most think nowadays.

Part of the reason the current location had issues was because literally all traffic was being routed through a single final hop that was unable to meet he demand. This resulted in alot of lag and dc issues over the past couple of years.

This new location may be farther for some but if the routing is through more robust routers/"hops" and has more then 1 final routing jump in the host city, its literally like making a 2 lane highway into a 8 lane. so again, wait until the servers are live and fully resolved before jumping on SE.

At the moment your taking info from as of this moment, an unresolved DNS tracert.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

Where was Aether originally located?
I hope for east coast(though its a bit selfish) or at least something Central, that way nobody gets put on the opposite coast..
If Aether was not in usa at all before, it might be better even if its centralized or CA, and if thats the case id be happy with either.

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Montreal. Most believe they're moving to central USA, with Chicago and Texas being the favourite guesses.

Keep in mind that even if the new location directly benefits you on the east or west coast, it negatively affects the ping of people not so fortunate. And you have to play with them. A centralized location is the best case scenario for everyone involved.

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Originally Posted by Seradima

Aether and Primal were originally located on the East Coast, in Montreal I believe.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Montreal. Most believe they're moving to central USA, with Chicago and Texas being the favourite guesses.

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Thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

You're missing the part where 204.2.229.234 is already pingable on that route:

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ae-1.r00.scrmca02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.7.31)
xe-0-1-0-1-1.r00.scrmca02.us.ce.gin.ntt.net (129.250.195.46)
204.2.229.234 (204.2.229.234)

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Same netblock:

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network:IP-Network-Block:204.2.229.0 - 204.2.229.255

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And again, the final hop cant be resolved. So for all we know thats where it thinks it may have been. DNS routing tables still havent fully resolved as the final host is not live.

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Originally Posted by Lokryn

And again, the final hop cant be resolved. So for all we know thats where it thinks it may have been. DNS routing tables still havent fully resolved as the final host is not live.

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You're woefully confused about the difference between DNS and routing.

I feel like Canucks are gonna get boned either way, but here's hoping that's not the case. I have a lot of Canadian friends who play this game.

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Originally Posted by Lokryn

And again, the final hop cant be resolved. So for all we know thats where it thinks it may have been. DNS routing tables still havent fully resolved as the final host is not live.

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It's usually common practice that you don't let the outside world feel out the inside of a data center.

http://i.imgur.com/BKphBkf.png

Anywho.

Left side is the "new" location, right side is the Old location.

For those that are freaking out over the small increase in Ping. See below. I am in MD, and this is a comparison off what we know form the current tracerts. While the ping went up it's still below 100MS which is more then ok in FFXIV since it already has a baseline lag built in. Second, Not one hop involving the fun time company called Level 3 which as you can see on the right, has massive packet loss.

I'll take a marginally higher ping over 33%+ PL any day.

http://imgur.com/a/5utR5

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

They offered EU users free transfers when they moved the EU data center, it would be stupid not to offer the same for NA users.

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I hope this happens again. my concerned is the amount of Gil I got and they won't allowed me to take. Gil that earned and saved for over 3 years. That's my main issue

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Originally Posted by Lokryn

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If the ping is higher, does this mean easier aoe dodging and less lag for things like cleric stance? What do you think we would experience differently?

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Originally Posted by Lokryn

And what do you think happens during massive packet loss......

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I didnt study networking in college. o.o I dont know the difference between higher ping and more packet loss.

If i had to guess, ping is the time it takes to get data, pl means not getting it at all?

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

I didnt study networking in college. o.o I dont know the difference between higher ping and more packet loss.

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From the layman:

Ping is the speed at which an information travels back and forth - the higher it is, the longer it takes for the information to reach the servers and get back at you. So things like AoE dodging becomes harder.

Packet loss is when information is lost on the way. For example, you press a button, but nothing happens, because the information that you pressed the button got lost on the way to the server and thus didn't register.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

I didnt study networking in college. o.o I dont know the difference between higher ping and more packet loss.

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Apologies thought you were being sarcastic. Ping is the time it takes for you to send and receive a small packet of data to the server/host, packet loss is how much of that data never actually makes it. So the system has to resend it again.

Higher ping does hurt but with an increase of 50 ms, its splittin hairs over having to resend 30%+ of what your trying to send in the first place.

If your in America you will be able to play fine with the ping. I play on a server literally a 1/3rd of the world a way and I manage fine. I am extremely lucky to get under 200 ping. I have my doubts that JP or EU will be much better ping wise.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

They offered EU users free transfers when they moved the EU data center, it would be stupid not to offer the same for NA users.

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Here's the text about free transfer

Because the Chaos data center is being relocated, certain players may find they are no longer playing on a desirable World. In order to address this issue, players will be allowed to transfer from Worlds within the Chaos data center to Worlds within the Elemental, Gaia, Mana, Aether, or Primal data centers free of charge for one week.

*The free World transfer service will not apply to characters moved from the Elemental, Gaia, Mana, Aether, or Primal data centers to the Chaos data center.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...8c71cb4be72616

I can imagine some players having somewhat ping increase, so it'd be nice if they'd open up free transfers.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

If your in America you will be able to play fine with the ping. I play on a server literally a 1/3rd of the world a way and I manage fine. I am extremely lucky to get under 200 ping. I have my doubts that JP or EU will be much better ping wise.

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Pretty much, the game has a built in lag anyways so most, wont even notice it. Movement maybe a tiny bit but I doubt it's going to break the game.

Ping is Spell Speed and packet loss is (not enough) Accuracy. ^^ Doesn't matter how fast it is if it keeps missing :)

It seems that this might be happening in regards of free transfers as they opened Odin / Shiva and Cerberus (them 3 had been "full" for weeks)

- European data center
　○ Cerberus
　○ Lich
　○ Moogle
　○ Odin
　○ Phoenix
　○ Ragnarok
　○ Shiva
　○ Zodiark

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No worries.

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Thanks all for the responses. I probably wouldnt play this game anymore if the dodging got harder.. lol I had a lot of issues in the past with things like titan before i had a decent isp, im not doing that again..xD
Ive personally never seen any actions fail though. not even cleric stance.. I just have occasional trouble dodging some of the faster aoes. I hope this fixes that..

Well, my ping will go up from 120 to 170 so meeeh. But as they stated they are thinking to lift the gil restrictions for server tranfers I wait if they do that soon as I don't wanna convert my millions of gil into items or lose them entirely....
the IP seems to be right by the way. If you traceroute all Lobbies, only NA ones have changed IP and pingwise. So if I notice the change too much, I have to say goodbye to my NA friends which sucks...

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No worries.

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Thanks all for the responses. I probably wouldnt play this game anymore if the dodging got harder.. lol I had a lot of issues in the past with things like titan before i had a decent isp, im not doing that again..xD
Ive personally never seen any actions fail though. not even cleric stance.. I just have occasional trouble dodging some of the faster aoes. I hope this fixes that..

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You wont see actions fail. Your system will resend over and over until it completes. This creates a sort of artifical lag that makes people seem like they are moving but then snap somewhere else. It can also result in what appears like rapid fire when data is resent over and over causing a sort of backlog of events till the system finally completes the send/receive.

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oh ok. Ive seen that. Thanks for explaining.

chaos is gonna have a lot of new blood at least. west coast ping is just not doable from EU unless you don't care about trying to push your gameplay at a high level

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Originally Posted by say0

chaos is gonna have a lot of new blood at least. west coast ping is just not doable from EU unless you don't care about trying to push your gameplay at a high level

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I dunno. I'd personally be hesitant to move even "with" a free transfer, since all your housing, friends etc will be gone, if I have to pay extra for it that's just a lolnope. I'll just lube up and take those AoEs like a man >_>

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Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

I no longer have an excuse in getting knocked off Titan anymore.

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You still might, here is why:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4129332

in short, "I see lag with a 50 ping"

Though I am hoping that effect is better from simply upgrading the servers, we will see

Good,my ping will reduce from 300 to around 230.
Which is good,Looking forward to test it out.

Can anyone tell me how to ping this new address from my place?
Or will it affect JP players?

Let's hypothetically say that you live on the east coast and the server is being moved to the west coast - how badly will this affect you?

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Let's hypothetically say that you live on the east coast and the server is being moved to the west coast - how badly will this affect you?

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http://i.imgur.com/BKphBkf.png

Left side is the CA ping, right side is the current ping, I live in central maryland. So thats my reference. Basically I went from a 30-40ms to a 80-90 ms, but saw 0 packet loss versus the current which is floating around 30% packet loss, really, wont see a change at all.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I hope they offer free transfer PLUS money EARNED for over 3 years for EU members wanted to move to a European server.because I have played with 189 ping and you can feel the lag.

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Edit: I think I may have misassumed when you said "money earned" you were refering to RL money SE made. Reading through the rest of the thread you mention being concerned about you being unable to transfer 3 years worth of gil on your character. If that's the case, then consider the below as not applicable to your initial post and my apologies as well

And in those 3 years playing those players did not enjoy the game at all? In all that time playing SE did not provide all the server's storage space, maintenance and keeping things running relatively smoothly? Did they not develop constant new content for them to enjoy and provide a place for people to come together? Did they not get entertainment or anything out of the game at all except wasted time?

I can see SE offering a server transfer for possible inconvinience caused with increased lag like with the Chaos (EU) datacenter move back then, but money earned over the 3 years? That is just the most ungrateful and entitled attitude 'they' could ever possibly display towards SE. I would suggest that they take a good hard look in the mirror. If a 189 ping, on which this game is perfectly playable because it was made to do so, is such a deal-breaker, then I'm not sure why they'd invest 3 years worth of sub into this game to begin with. You certainly don't need a low ping to socialize with friends from the USA.

Seriously, SE has provided enough for our 13'ish dollar/euro's a month. I dare say even more than most other MMO's out there. Shift one's view towards the mountain of things they DID get not at the ONE THING they didn't, because we'll never be happy if we focus only on the things we don't have. Besides, they already gave the opportunity for Europeans to transfer freely to the newly located Chaos datacenter for some weeks after it's move. If they didn't use it then, that's too bad, but move on with life. Demanding earned money back in capitals just screams unfairness towards SE to me in light of everything they did provide them with over these 3 years.

Wow so they really did go to CA?
People were joking around saying they hope it would not go there as connections would be bad? lol
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Originally Posted by Len

Let's hypothetically say that you live on the east coast and the server is being moved to the west coast - how badly will this affect you?

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One of our main tanks and main healers are located in Kelowna, BC. Data Center was located in Montreal before the relocation (West coast >>> East Coast) and as of this weekend a Tracert to Primal (199.91.189.93) resulted in a 125 ms ping.
From Arkansas to Primal DC was a 93 ms.

YoshiP has stated the game is "designed" around a ping of less than 250 ms.

People will always have or find reasons to complain, but our FC locations range from the western side of Canada to USAF bases in Germany and Japan. We've had no issues running all available content over the years on Diabolos.

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Wow so they really did go to CA?
People were joking around saying they hope it would not go there as connections would be bad? lol
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Unless you live off the main land of North America, you won't notice. The change in routing is almost guaranteed to have less packet loss in exchange for a minor ping increase, they will in 95% of cases, cancel each other out.

I honestly doubt that you can bring your A-Game in terms of raiding if your ping sits around 200+. I'd say even 150+ will have an effect on your performance. So yeah, while you might be able to do most of the things this game has to offer on a higher ping, I do think raiders will be affected by it.

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Originally Posted by Lokryn

Unless you live off the main land of North America, you won't notice. The change in routing is almost guaranteed to have less packet loss in exchange for a minor ping increase, they will in 95% of cases, cancel each other out.

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I live in the middle of Canada in the Province of Manitoba, i sure hope you are correct :)

I do feel sorry for east coast players though, EU people can just transfer to Chaos but where do the cream of the crop of the east coast go? This really sucks for them since they have no option for a good ping

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Originally Posted by say0

I do feel sorry for east coast players though, EU people can just transfer to Chaos but where do the cream of the crop of the east coast go? This really sucks for them since they have no option for a good ping

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Jumping from 40ms to 80 ms, I think EC will be fine, if it's worse then that, your isp is more to blame then location.

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Originally Posted by say0

I do feel sorry for east coast players though, EU people can just transfer to Chaos but where do the cream of the crop of the east coast go? This really sucks for them since they have no option for a good ping

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I pinged 66 to the old aether ip just now. If it goes up by 50 like people say it will, it will be 116 ping. Thats less than what the game was designed for so im a bit relieved and i live in the Carolinas.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

They offered EU users free transfers when they moved the EU data center, it would be stupid not to offer the same for NA users.

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They offered free transfer to those who wanted to stay in the old location.
But now the old location is not anymore.