Issues with some zones and aethertes, please do not repeat this in SB

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Originally Posted by Sida

In the last maps, both of the quest hubs have chocobo routes. If you don't want to autorun on your own chocobo, just take taxi and go pick a drink or pat your cat in the minute it takes to arrive. The "I want everything right on this instant" ... sheesh. I'd understand it if it was long run but it's not.

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I get where you're coming from and I actually agree, I think the OP is more upset that it can take a full minute or more to cross Azys Lla to get to a fate that should be doable in the remainging time of say, 5mins; but actually turns out to be 3mins when you finally arrive and soloing some of these fates can be difficult still even with bobo.

The maps just need more underground labyrinth caves full with beastmen, where you can't fly

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Originally Posted by azura84

You misunderstood the "actually dangerous" part, I'm talking about mobs that could kill you, not just the nuisance enemies that we have right now

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Something similar to a Fel Reaver then, and again all you need to do is learn to deal with it. To me there is no real way to make Open world "dangerous" PvE wise without making it a mayor annoyance, there is only way to really do it: Open World PvP, not gonna happen in this MMO.

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Originally Posted by azura84

I get where you're coming from and I actually agree, I think the OP is more upset that it can take a full minute or more to cross Azys Lla to get to a fate that should be doable in the remainging time of say, 5mins; but actually turns out to be 3mins when you finally arrive and soloing some of these fates can be difficult still even with bobo.

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Hence why I was only answering to his last point. Even though I don't agree with the other ones either much due the reasons already stated in the thread. The places are far because they are in big zones which are supposed to be big. Not every spot in the game has to be reached in a minute. If you see fate that has too little time left, look for another with longer time, since you already know the traveling will take time. It just means you were already late when you spotted it, same as if you'd arrived to closer one with 3 seconds left.

I can completely get behind adding in an Aetheryte to perhaps Whitebrim in Coerthas. Just because I remember all the running I had to do there for leve turn-ins when I was leveling my crafters. >.>

With regards to the Hinterlands, it stands to reason that most Aetherytes are located in areas where there are settlements. Hinterlands doesn't really have such settlements outside of Idyllshire, which already has an Aetheryte. So there's not really anywhere to place one. It wouldn't make sense to place it in Illuminati territory or near Matoya's Cave. Neither of those would approve of an Aetheryte, I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Something similar to a Fel Reaver then, and again all you need to do is learn to deal with it. To me there is no real way to make Open world "dangerous" PvE wise without making it a mayor annoyance, there is only way to really do it: Open World PvP, not gonna happen in this MMO.

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Randomly patrolling enemies that can kill you and your party. Past MMOs have created monsters that were never meant to be defeated, which I tend to admire in story writing. Not a big fan of us all being gods and the story written about just... we're not even adventurers anymore we are simply the Warrior of Light. bleh

Yes I know players will always find a way to avoid procedurally mapped AI but still, being able to kill everything in this game but a few raid things and then later in the next level increase we can stomp them. This game could do with some challenging open world content.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

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Ignore people who bring unrelated points to your topic. Just say "that's unrelated" and move on.

You have trigger button that you need to deal with cuz you're a person that actually brings up good points but then people tend to not to take you seriously whenever you bring up your personal beef. It's not the first time you veiled a thread behind pvp chat.

Move on and stop getting triggered for nothing.

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It is not a "personal beef" I do not understand why this is so hard to understand. If the dev team is already doing changes because how the community acts, how can one say one change is valid and another isn't because it is a change based how the community acts? Post limit here, the DF lock out if you leave, DF lock out if you can't accpet queue (and this can be unfair because it takes too long to change job when in a fate, or when doing a high level craft) and PvP chat removal are all changes because it is community babying. So how can one defend the aetherte shortcomings based on "devs should not be babying people" when several changes already happened based off it? It is not a "personal beef" it is showing why that argument is not a valid one, why this is so hard for people to understand, I got no idea.

How come people seem to be ok with 2 aethertes 5 feet from each other in a zone that is 5 miles long? How come people are ok with an aetherte in a zone that is 5 miles long where it is very close from the aetherte city zone? These are map design flaws.

Also for the "traveling should be dangerous" news flash, 2.0+ never was anywhere and I never seen anyone argue over that needed to change.

It like you actually have to travel places instead of just insta-traveling everywhere.

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Traveling already made far too easy in this game, let not add more.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

It like you actually have to travel places instead of just insta-traveling everywhere.

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Traveling already made far too easy in this game, let not add more.

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This post would only make sense if the game did not have things that last for 1 minute or less, like fates, hunts, and timed nodes.

Yes we need more spots in large zones to fit how the game is made, on top of not making sense on big zones like the ones in the sky, that those aethertes are near the foundation zones. So they are not exactly helpful.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

If the dev team is already doing changes because how the community acts, how can one say one change is valid and another isn't because it is a change based how the community acts? Post limit here, the DF lock out if you leave, DF lock out if you can't accpet queue (and this can be unfair because it takes too long to change job when in a fate, or when doing a high level craft) and PvP chat removal are all changes because it is community babying. So how can one defend the aetherte shortcomings based on "devs should not be babying people" when several changes already happened based off it? I

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Your comparisons are community driven problems, that got "rules" added to it, because the community couldn't solve it themself without rules.
Aetherites are not placed by players, they are placed by the devs who have for sure long thought about where to place the Aetherites and why (near settlements or friendly beastmen daily camps and not in strongholds, as an example).

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

This post would only make sense if the game did not have things that last for 1 minute or less, like fates, hunts, and timed nodes.

Yes we need more spots in large zones to fit how the game is made, on top of not making sense on big zones like the ones in the sky, that those aethertes are near the foundation zones. So they are not exactly helpful.

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There no fates that I know of that last for less then 1 minutes (they usually 8-15 minutes long), hunts are more a community problem then travel problem and timed nodes for like gathering spot in the same spot/pos area at the same time every game day so that not really a travel problem either as if a node pops at 10am and another node pops at 11am you would not make it to that node in time anyways regardless how fast travel is.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Your comparisons are community driven problems, that got "rules" added to it, because the community couldn't solve it themself without rules.
Aetherites are not placed by players, they areplaced by the devs who have for sure long thought about where to place the Aetherites and why (near settlements or friendly beastmen daily camps and not in strongholds, as an example).

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Having 2 next to eachother in sea of clouds who one is also near the exit of the foundation, meaning it does not take long to get there from the foundation to one of the Aetherite points does not sound like thinking hard to me. At that point looks random and "hope it works"

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Originally Posted by Lexia

There no fates that I know of that last for less then 1 minutes (they usually 8-15 minutes long), hunts are more a community problem then travel problem and timed nodes for like gathering spot in the same spot/pos area at the same time every game day so that not really a travel problem either as if a node pops at 10am and another node pops at 11am you would not make it to that node in time anyways regardless how fast travel is.

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You do not do full gathering cycles do you? Change how those work or add more aethertes. For fates, they do not last 8-15 mins when there is a ton of people at them.

Another Ama Hamada thread.......

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

You do not do full gathering cycles do you? Change how those work or add more aethertes. For fates, they do not last 8-15 mins when there is a ton of people at them.

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No I gathering what I need or what I feel is selling the best, as for the fates again that not a travel problem that a ton of people are beating on the same fate making them last shorter amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Felis

This will get fixed in SB

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Maybe, I just picked PS3 for high chance for a slow HDD- a lot of PC users have this issue too and I don't think the PS4 has an SSD. Although I don't have and never check about the PS4 lol.

Im sorry but nope. We have too many Aetherites as it is. Maybe transfer to a less populated server if you have so many issues.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Another Ama Hamada thread.......

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Whenever I see her threads, I honestly hope its not going to be another thinly veiled pvp chat thing, but then I'd end up disappointed every time :c

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Maybe, I just picked PS3 for high chance for a slow HDD- a lot of PC users have this issue too and I don't think the PS4 has an SSD. Although I don't have and never check about the PS4 lol.

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Not as standard, but you can buy one and build it into the PS4
https://www.amazon.com/Skywin-Perfor...4176813&sr=8-3

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Having 2 next to eachother in sea of clouds who one is also near the exit of the foundation, meaning it does not take long to get there from the foundation to one of the Aetherite points does not sound like thinking hard to me. At that point looks random and "hope it works"

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I can understand if you have mentioned Western La Noscea, but the two in Sea of Cloud are not really near to each other. Try to travel from one to the other without flying. And which one of the two do you want to move somewhere else, away from it's quest hub? And where? Don't forget, not in the middle of enemy camps.

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Originally Posted by Felis

ry to travel from one to the other without flying.

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Try gathering in HW without flying then, each HW zone needs 3-5 in that view.

I thought it was called a 'hunt' - so go out and find them (but they're kinda all known, but still "out there in the wild").

I guess we could just have all of them stand next to the hunt board in Stormblood's major quest hub, in an orderly line, holding signs saying what order to take them and any strat tips.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I thought it was called a 'hunt' - so go out and find them (but they're kinda all known, but still "out there in the wild").

I guess we could just have all of them stand next to the hunt board in Stormblood's major quest hub, in an orderly line, holding signs saying what order to take them and any strat tips.

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That would fix the pvp and chat restrictions Ama is constantly pointing out right away as well, because of the signs. Genius, I'll support your petition.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

This post would only make sense if the game did not have things that last for 1 minute or less, like fates, hunts, and timed nodes.

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Traveling time has nothing to do with your lack of attention as to what spawns when and what seems feasible and what doesn't.

It's not a fault of the system that FATE x had 5s left when you decided to travel to it, which would take 30s, instead of going to a FATE that had just spawned with 15m left.

It's not a fault of the system that hunts are out in the open, and that people like to pull before you get there.

It's not a fault of the system that nodes spawn at SPECIFIC hours of the day, giving you the time PRIOR to that node spawning to make your way there.

First world problems, is what this thread adds up to.

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Get over yourself.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

It's not a fault of the system that nodes spawn at SPECIFIC hours of the day, giving you the time PRIOR to that node spawning to make your way there.

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I'd have welcomed an Aetheryte outside Idyllshire (that little goblin outpost perhaps?). Doing a scrip run I found it was just possible to get from the Adamanitite ore in Azys to the Morels in Dravanian Hinterlands, if you got the Adamantite as soon as it popped and went to Anyx as opposed to trying to go through Idyllshire. Even then it needed a bit of luck; I got sick of nodes slamming shut in my face just as I got to them in both Dravania and Sea of Clouds.

So, if the Devs are going to continue with only having timed-nodes up for 55 Eorzean minutes, placing Aetherytes to allow people to bypass areas where lots of players congregate would not be a bad idea, nor would spreading them more evenly across an area to enable access to timed nodes.
Personally, I'd prefer a return to the more relaxed gathering we had in ARR, with timed nodes up for 3 hours so you could actually run to them instead of being forced to teleport everywhere, but that's another discussion.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

I'd have welcomed an Aetheryte outside Idyllshire (that little goblin outpost perhaps?). Doing a scrip run I found it was just possible to get from the Adamanitite ore in Azys to the Morels in Dravanian Hinterlands, if you got the Adamantite as soon as it popped and went to Anyx as opposed to trying to go through Idyllshire. Even then it needed a bit of luck; I got sick of nodes slamming shut in my face just as I got to them in both Dravania and Sea of Clouds.

So, if the Devs are going to continue with only having timed-nodes up for 55 Eorzean minutes, placing Aetherytes to allow people to bypass areas where lots of players congregate would not be a bad idea, nor would spreading them more evenly across an area to enable access to timed nodes.
Personally, I'd prefer a return to the more relaxed gathering we had in ARR, with timed nodes up for 3 hours so you could actually run to them instead of being forced to teleport everywhere, but that's another discussion.

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yeah exactly, I do not know why took someone this long with some sense to comment on the gathering issues. Oh yeah that is another thing, why is it 55 mins or so and not 1 hr? it feels like it is bugged and they feel like depopping sooner then they should

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Originally Posted by Solarra

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Well, the whole point is that you prep for all the nodes, if you got the Adamantite node as it spawned, you'd be able to get the Morel node straight away, fully guaranteed.

The way OP is complaining is that it is such a long trek between nodes, but it absolutely isn't? OP is the type of person to use the Camp Cloudtop aetheryte to get to the Honeydew Almond node, and then say the Ok'Zundu aetheryte is too far away. What? If you get to the node before it pops, what does it matter what distance it is from the aetheryte? That isn't the problem of the aetheryte system, but a problem of your personal disorganization or lack of common sense as to which is closer.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

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It's not depopping sooner than they should. It's 55 min. And there have been people commenting with sense, your own personal lack of timing and punctuality as to when the node(s) spawn is not the game's fault, but your own.

Basically, to put your issue into words "THE GAME SHOULD HAVE WAITED FOR ME BEFORE IT DEPOPPED! THE GAME SHOULD'VE MADE THAT HUNT INVULNERABLE FOR ME BEFORE PLAYERS KILLED IT! THE GAME SHOULD'VE INCREASED THE TIME ON THAT FATE BEFORE PLAYERS FINISHED IT!".

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

yeah exactly, I do not know why took someone this long with some sense to comment on the gathering issues. Oh yeah that is another thing, why is it 55 mins or so and not 1 hr? it feels like it is bugged and they feel like depopping sooner then they should

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There is nothing wrong with gathering, it just people being bad with time management and/or not knowing what they want/need. As another person in the thread said.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

First world problems, is what this thread adds up to.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

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Yup, at some point it's with the player. Lots of single player games let you change settings in order to better suit your needs. When I played Civ 6, I thought the idea of barbarians swarming you as early as turn 5 was ridiculous (If something like that happens to you on higher difficulties of the game then you might as well just restart because you'll never catch up to the AI) It happened to me a few times and I had to restart. You know what I did? I turned the barbarians off.

You can't do things like that in a MMO. It's not just you playing the game. At some point you just have to suck it up.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

yeah exactly, I do not know why took someone this long with some sense to comment on the gathering issues. Oh yeah that is another thing, why is it 55 mins or so and not 1 hr? it feels like it is bugged and they feel like depopping sooner then they should

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It's kind of weird that you posted about hunts and fates in the OP and then complain at everyone who doesn't talk about gathering.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It's kind of weird that you posted about hunts and fates in the OP and then complain at everyone who doesn't talk about gathering.

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Its not weird at all, its very typical for an Ama_Hamada thread.

But honestly the whole gathering node thing, as long as you plan ahead and keep an eye on time either via sites or ingame /echos and the like its really quite simple. You only miss out if you purposely don't keep track of the time / absent mindedly do something else which really begs the question do you really care you missed that node if you weren't keeping track?

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

But honestly the whole gathering node thing, as long as you plan ahead and keep an eye on time either via sites or ingame /echos and the like its really quite simple. You only miss out if you purposely don't keep track of the time / absent mindedly do something else which really begs the question do you really care you missed that node if you weren't keeping track?

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As a 4 star crafter and gather I think I can say they wouldn't. I know timed nodes are annoying and all, but some stuff you have to deal with.

If materials that were traditionally gotten from timed nodes were made to be obtainable all the time, then there would less reason to buy them. It helps the economy but keeping it controlled so that the market isn't flooded any more than it already is.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

Its not weird at all, its very typical for an Ama_Hamada thread.

But honestly the whole gathering node thing, as long as you plan ahead and keep an eye on time either via sites or ingame /echos and the like its really quite simple. You only miss out if you purposely don't keep track of the time / absent mindedly do something else which really begs the question do you really care you missed that node if you weren't keeping track?

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I usually don't even care even if I was keeping track. Half of the time the alarm goes off and I'm like ugh effort and don't even bother. I make more money on a single Zurvanite barding right now than I would with even several rounds of max yield on the best nodes.

Honestly I feel like HW areas are about the right size and have enough aetherytes. We need some traveling...not everything should be teleport walk 5 seconds and you are there.

I gather quite often and while the timed nodes are only 1hr if I prepare I always get there in time. If I miss them sometimes well I wasn't ready to go so I just set the early alert a bit earlier on garland bell to help me out. If you don't know garlandtools then search it. It is a nice gathering website that has alerts/timers for gathering and can help you be ready to head out to them.

I have many points to make but will now make one. Timed nodes were longer in ARR. Making them shorter I HW was intentional choise, to force gatherers to plan and prioritize. The game works as it should on that regard. Also an adage from otherwere, "A lack of planning from your part does not constitute an emergency from mine."