they haveQuote:
Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry
Nerfed:
Holy
Cure 3 procc (changed from 100% crit to 50% mana cost reduction)
Thunder (removed cross-skill)
Medica 2
Holy (again)
Stoneskin
Protect (gave trait to everyone so WHM basically lost it's advantage)
Buffed:
Presence of Mind
Cure 3 (cast time and range)
however, more than the 18% stoneskin i want the proshell trait back. SCH has enough mitigation tools, he actually has an aoe magic defense buff and AST has enough mitigation tools too. i can't see where they need the proshell trait...
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03-17-2017, 03:47 AMTint
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03-17-2017, 04:06 AMExiled_TonberryReady for the next Holy nerf? I swear, they're just going to take it out of the game in 4.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
As for the protect trait, I do feel that's the one thing that should be on all healers.
Stoneskin though? That should be unique to us, and at least 15%. -
03-17-2017, 10:05 PMKokonoeAiyoko
The second Holy nerf really was uncalled for tbh.
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03-17-2017, 11:26 PMs0m3f00lQuote:
Originally Posted by Gist
It's also pointless to learn a job that is eventually useless in endgame. Wouldn't it be better served as a class in the function to which you refer? -
03-18-2017, 05:20 AMLyrica_AshtineEh, some details for that list:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tint
Thunder was removed for everyone but Black Mage. This didn't affect only White Mage, but also Scholars and Summoners as well. Astrologians would have been in this list of affected jobs too.
Medica 2 total potency per cast remained the same. Just less potency every tick (from 100/tick for 15 seconds to 50/tick for 30 seconds)
Holy was so crazy good back then that there were groups that would run 3 white mages and a single tank - Or even a summoner with Titan Egi - over a standard composition for Wanderer's Palace. The second nerf was applied to Flare as well and this is also applied to Gravity.
Presence of Mind wasn't necessarily a "buff". Before the change it increased spell speed. Meaning it would have increased DoT damage as well. Now it simply reduces (re-)cast time instead. -
03-18-2017, 08:24 AMTintno, i didn't meant the 3.0 changes. they increased the duration from 10 to 15 seconds and reduced the cooldown by half, from 300 seconds down to 150 seconds, in patch 2.3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine
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03-19-2017, 07:11 PMSilver-Strider
1) Reduce cooldown of Benediction to 3 minutes (5 minutes is just too long)
2) Up the proc rate on Cure II/III (Just to help with sustain). Also, increase the radius on Cure III a little, maybe up to 8y.
3) Up the magic return of Assize to 15% and reduce cooldown timer to 1 minute (more sustain help)
4) Have Asylum increase skill/spell speed for everyone inside (AST and SCH bubbles reduce damage, with AST also having a Regen effect while SCH's bubble is twice the size of AST or WHM bubbles, so give WHM something different while also giving WHM more group utility)
5) Make Aero I/II unmissable
6) Make using Stone I/II/III have a chance at triggering a free Stoneskin cast (Because 99% of players still won't bother to apply SS outside of battle or during a prey mechanic.)
Take what you will from this. It was written at 6am and I haven't gotten a wink of sleep so a lot of this might be way off base -
03-20-2017, 01:11 PMKDSilver
When I read people asking for the return of proshell for the White Mage, I really wonder if they truly have some experience on the game as a healer.
You can't compare Scholar mitgation toolkit with protect. It's a buff that is ment to stay during the whole fight. This isn't mitigation as you want to hear it.
Every healer need it as it is now.
I'm a healer, I play the 3 of them and I wouldn't ask for selfish stupid request to a specific job for pure fantasy.
Stoneskin 18%'s return could actually be a good idea.
But less 10% on physical damages, yeah, we absolutely want Scholar and Astrologian to heal more for...nothing, just because "WHITE MAGE IDENTITYYY WAAAAH".
No seriously, think about it before saying this kind of thing...
I think too they should find something else for white mage, but don't request things like that when you don't even realise the effect it could have on a party for a lot of content.
No more spell speed. Your melee dps will probaly end up to hate you with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider
TP consumption and messing up their rotation.
You'll will probably tell me that Astrologian can use arrow, and it's true he can. But that's also part of an astrologian to know what card to use on which job.
Black mage would like this spell speed, but probably not a monk or a dragoon. -
03-20-2017, 03:50 PMTintuhm, but i was thinking ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by KDSilver
first, proshell increases the magic defense by 10%, not reducing physiscal damage by 10%. and SCH and AST have protect with the 10% increased physiscal defense without the proshell trait...
we know raidbusters are never physical damage, always magic. and that's what the main purpose of proshell is: reducing the damage from raidbusters. SCH and AST have tools to reduce raidbuster damage, WHM has not.
also giving every healer proshell makes the whole protect skill kind of useless. they can just remove the skill and increase the defense and m-defense on all gear by 10%...
what about removing the proshell trait from SCH and AST, but make it only a 20 second buff for WHM? so he has to cast protect mid fight to get the benefit of the m-defense buff. i think that's a compromise we all could live with^^ -
03-21-2017, 03:13 AMKDSilver
NO.
Stop with proshell trait, please.
Every healer have it and that's good.
No need for this for that "White Mage indentity". -
03-21-2017, 04:38 AMADVSSso we'll give them shell which is the mdefense version of protect, or add it to stoneskin, if its removed from the cross role kitQuote:
Originally Posted by KDSilver
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03-21-2017, 05:59 AMCrushnight
Personally I'd like to see whm get a move like disable from ast as right now there isn't alot of ways to reduce darkness damage, stones kin can be for whm only idc they do need something for mitigation unique to them then other things could have something that gives them a healing buff that after set amount of healing increases dmg dealt by 5% per stack max 5 stacks lasts for 25 secs upon each new stack till hit max stacks where it cannot refresh. So long as they improve whm mp issues could balance whm as a pure hlr with having the clear personal highest dps which for burst phases may make it useful again in the meta depending on fights
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03-21-2017, 04:14 PMNeophyte
Reduce raid damage by something between 5-10%.
Remove protect as CC skill and reduce it's duration to 30s, making it work like Reprisal, Storms Path (but ofc including every damage, regardless of source).
Right now, Protect serves no other purpose than being a neccessety for every endgame content.
It's stupid, imagine a haste buff, 25% GCD reduction for 30 mins applyable by every healer or a +10% damage up, 30 mins, also applyable by every healer.
The only effect of such things are inflated numbers and bit bigger impact if someone dies. Wow.
Make Protect a mitigation tool again. -
03-26-2017, 05:06 PMDarthVellaHuh, not a bad idea. It'd be desirable for progression raiding, at the least, to cleanse and heal unexpected mechanics. The only issue I can see is that Selene has the same on a shorter cool down, sans healing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaitoHikari
Another idea I had was to bump up the weapon damage of WHM staves over books and globes in Stormblood, giving them stronger heals and personal DPS at equal ilevels, then tune dungeons and raids to require more healing. On second thought though, it would probably end up with the same complaints AST had at launch.