Is our sub fee not enought

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Yeah but god you have to work for that :P

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But it's still Free, and that was what he/she was talking about. ^^
But yeah, you have to work for it. I've never been a crafter in any game but lvl'd 1 to 60 for the Moogle mount back then. -heh-

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-the-cash-shop..

Never Forget, Never Forgive

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Wanting and needing are two very different things.

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Indeed - A "Need" is created from a "Want".

Example: You "want" to live, therefore you "need" to sustain your body, as you can not live without sustaining your body. It's either both or neither. You may find the maintenance terribly annoying and would rather get rid of it, but you cannot, because it is "needed" to get your "want" - living. If you however do not want to live, you do not need to sustain your body anymore. It's a bit painful and chances are you "want" to not suffer, but that's a separate issue.

Its sad how SE are charging for stuff u should be able to get in game like, sleipnir from odin, bennu should been a drop from t12, we already have death and flip animation yet they are charging us for a emote single character version of it.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Counting events we also got Dote, though I could understand if they aren't counting event stuff when talking about Patches.

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I wouldn't count Dote since it's basically BlowKiss with a heart floating out.

Hi SE how about that gil that ppl been stack piling up because the game basically have zero gil sank, why not let veterans player trade them for mogstation item, while casual can purchase them with their $.

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Originally Posted by Reaperking386

It is beating a dead horse. We all know that this cannot be changed or alter. No matter what argument or what alternative we make. I do not believe this is a Dev desire, but an executive one. If this is coming from the upstairs then the Dev's like Yoshi P. cannot do much about it. How many countless posts have there been concerning the Mogstation and it's unfairness to sub accounts? Alot and none of it has changed the minds of the Devs or given even an inch.

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Just to emphasise this point. It's public knowledge Deus Ex devs were force to hastily add micro-transactions last minute at Square's behest.

So long as there are willing ppl to buy stuff off the mog station it'll always be there.

Think about it a little here......... With the extra income they get from the mog station they can afford to put more time into developing new content and new jobs for our enjoyment. Their staff and development team don't work for free, no one works a job for free everyone needs an income to survive.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

With the extra income they get from the mog station they can afford to put more time into developing new content and new jobs for our enjoyment.

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There is no official statement or source for this. If this is not coming from Yoshi himself but the People above him in their Job Positions, that Money sure will go into something different and not into FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

So long as there are willing ppl to buy stuff off the mog station it'll always be there.

Think about it a little here......... With the extra income they get from the mog station they can afford to put more time into developing new content and new jobs for our enjoyment. Their staff and development team don't work for free, no one works a job for free everyone needs an income to survive.

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Haven't seen a whole lot of content quantity/quality increase coincide with the cash shop's addition and expansion yet, just saying. We used to get more than 2 dungeons per patch even, now we don't....seems like if anything, we're going in reverse.

You could argue that those items were paid for already with that month you were subbed during the event time. Missed the items? Pay the month fee like we did during the event by purchasing them on the Mogstation. /shrug

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Originally Posted by Adire

Haven't seen a whole lot of content quantity/quality increase coincide with the cash shop's addition and expansion yet, just saying. We used to get more than 2 dungeons per patch even, now we don't....seems like if anything, we're going in reverse.

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1) ever since I been back playing the game starting at about patch 2.5 there has been 2 new dungeons with every major patch.

2) New QoL items, features and gear are being released with patches

3) They had originally said a job like rdm would never come to the game due to limitations to be able to make the job work for the game while doing justice to the job

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Originally Posted by SundayTrash

Is our sub fee not enought.

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Nope..never was and never will be.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

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Stop saying CS is a good thing, you're wasting your time.

CS in a sub based MMO is an aberration

Money from FF14 was being channeled into FF15 when they went over-budget... I wonder if something like that is happening again...

No official statement may have been made about where the money goes that is made through the mog station but none the less it's still going into the company and the company needs income to be able to continue to thrive.

Don't forget the servers need to be maintained as well and then there is the customer service team that handles customer inquiries and issues. There is a whole lot to this that a lot if ppl seem to over look and a lot of staff working at SE, they are not a small little company making poor games on a cheap budget.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Example: You "want" to live, therefore you "need" to sustain your body, as you can not live without sustaining your body.

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Wait...what ? How did we move from "buying a unnecessary virtual item for real money" to "the will to live" ?

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Money from FF14 was being channeled into FF15 when they went over-budget... I wonder if something like that is happening again...

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How do you think they are able to come up with a budget to make any new games? There has to be a profit margin to do that. Funding to make 14 probably originated from the income they got from 11.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

How do you think they are able to come up with a budget to make any new games? There has to be a profit margin to do that. Funding to make 14 probably originated from the income they got from 11.

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But did FF15 really need an Anime, a movie, and an FF15 themed car as well? During ff15 development the quality of FF14 patches last year went way down. I don't mind if this game funds their other games, as long as this game doesn't suffer as a result.

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

1) ever since I been back playing the game starting at about patch 2.5 there has been 2 new dungeons with every major patch.

2) New QoL items, features and gear are being released with patches

3) They had originally said a job like rdm would never come to the game due to limitations to be able to make the job work for the game while doing justice to the job

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1.) 2.5 and before had multiple dungeons per patch, 3 in my examples.

Some proof: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...18d0d45bf52d59
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...735b3d4280abe6

Go back further if you want. I actually took part in the concern about why the cash shop was being expanded but dungeons were being lessened back when the announcement was made.

2.) Yes, we are getting new things. We have always gotten new things. However the rate at which we're getting them does not coincide with the increase in profit SE has received from the cash shop. Less dungeons than we used to get despite profit boosts from the cash shop are an example of this, actually an example of how an expanding cash shop has done the opposite of what the reason pro-cash shop people had for it supporting it in at least one way.

3.) Limitations was and still is to a large degree a really common, vague reason SE used/uses for not doing many things. I don't really see what RDM has specifically that made it impossible to implement without upgrades to the servers or whatever. Unless SE figures out some kind of way to make RDM play like TERA combat or something, it's going to fit in with the archetype of already existing combat in some way.

Weren't the Playdead/Backflip emotes? Actually from the other Eastern Versions of FF14.

The general theme so far is items we get from other versions cost a bit more than items actually developed for OUR mogstation. I don't know why this is?
I'll be buying both because I love having more emotes to bring my character to life, I do find them a bit pricy. But I have 100% drawn the line at the 100$ zantetsuken emote, that I really cannot justify XD

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Stop saying CS is a good thing, you're wasting your time.

CS in a sub based MMO is an aberration

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This is the first time I've seen SE do something like the mog station and selling in game items like that. The sub is also about the same as the sub for ff 11, I can't say for sure about other places in the world but the cost of living goes up all the time every year the minimum wage has increased by $5 in the last 5 years that ARR has been out.

All those against the mog station items you have to but would you rather they raise the sub fee to bring in the extra income to adjust to current the world market?

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

All those against the mog station items you have to but would you rather they raise the sub fee to bring in the extra income to adjust to current the world market?

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I would rather them just switch to F2P if the subscription model isn't working and expand the cash shop until their hearts are content than pay a sub fee AND gradually feel like a second class player if I don't spend more and more on top of that. And yes, this includes with cosmetics since we've established a precedent.

If people make it profitable, SE like any smart business will push consumers to their limits.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I would rather them just switch to F2P if the subscription model isn't working and expand the cash shop until their hearts are content than pay a sub fee AND gradually feel like a second class player if I don't spend more and more on top of that. And yes, this includes with cosmetics since we've established a precedent.

If people make it profitable, SE like any smart business will push consumers to their limits.

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So you would rather them switch the game into a free to play game? Any free to play game I've ever played has been garbage in regards to content, graphics and general gameplay

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

So you would rather them switch the game into a free to play game? Any free to play game I've ever played has been garbage in regards to content, graphics and general gameplay

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That's all subjective. What's objective is many free to play games have found financial success. If SE finds themselves stagnating with a subscription model, they have two choices. Blend the subscription model and cash shop practices into some kind of hybrid or switch to free to play. If I remained a player, at least I'd still feel like I was getting my money's worth with the latter choice. If I'm paying a sub fee and a substantial amount of content I'm interested in is gated behind further purchases, I will feel very ripped off.

And for the record, I know of F2P games that do some things better in my opinion at least than XIV does them. Housing and combat for example.

Cash shops in a sub mmo with exclusive stuff are there to make extra money, but that profit wont be invested back. Square had a max budget per expansion for FFXIV and thats about it.

IMO? People should stop buying anything from there but wont happen, second best option? follow Blizzard current model.

If FFXIV goes free to play that is when I quit.

I don't mind the mog station, it is optional items, don't like them don't buy them.

Never thought a human being could be stupid enough to not want things to be added in the game and wish to pay for it.

That' ain't logic. Or at least give the option to get those items in the game as well, with achievements, grinds etc.

Some will pay, others will grind.

CS exclusivities are a shame (i don't mind recolors)

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

If FFXIV goes free to play that is when I quit.

I don't mind the mog station, it is optional items, don't like them don't buy them.

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You'll be getting a sub fee and a substantial amount of "optional" yet exclusive content locked behind the cash shop a-la-a F2P on top of that if people make it profitable enough for SE. If you want said content, it won't be any more optional than paying a sub fee to play the game is. Then you may as well have the game be F2P.

Technically if they only ditched the sub fee it would be B2P not F2P.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Technically if they only ditched the sub fee it would be B2P not F2P.

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If they kept the purchase price and dropped the sub fee, yes.

Whether they'd go the route of SWTOR, dropping the purchase price and sub fee, or the route of The Secret World and being B2P is anyone's guess. Either would be preferable to me over paying a sub fee and getting an increasingly F2P-esque cash shop though.

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Originally Posted by Adire

If they kept the purchase price and dropped the sub fee, yes.

Whether they'd go the route of SWTOR, dropping the purchase price and sub fee, or the route of The Secret World and being B2P is anyone's guess. Either would be preferable to me over paying a sub fee and getting an increasingly F2P-esque cash shop though.

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I assume they would go the Secret World route.
I agree though, this constant cash shop expansion is annoying.

Nothing but greed as usual, the cash shop should just be boycotted...

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I assume they would go the Secret World route.
I agree though, this constant cash shop expansion is annoying.

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I would love someone using the datas to show the CS exclusivites added on the past months.
In my opinion, they added more CS exclusivities during the last 6 months than they've been doing since 2.0

hey here is that thing so many people asked for since suggesting new emotes was a thing lets make them pay for it because we know they asked for it. prices are so high that it only takes a small amount of people buying it to justify it on there end such a bummer.....

Wouldn't even be so bad if the subscription included a little bit of cash shop money. Then they'd just be veteran rewards that you can get early.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Wouldn't even be so bad if the subscription included a little bit of cash shop money. Then they'd just be veteran rewards that you can get early.

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This might actually be a good idea. Give us a little bit of cash shop credit for every month's worth of subscription which we can save up to purchase the cash shop item we like.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Money from FF14 was being channeled into FF15 when they went over-budget... I wonder if something like that is happening again...

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And when XV was still Versus XIII some of the money ment for it was instead diverted to revamping XIV after the 1.0 disaster. It goes many ways.

No it's not enough. It's enough to cover expenses, and maybe even make a little bit of profit. Why add the emotes behind a quest, when you can just sell it on mogstation for 7 dollars? People complain, but those same people end up buying it anyways, keep saying "we don't like this" but then giving SE your money is basically pointless. The only way to show them is to stop buying it, but people keep buying it :P. To be frank though, this game isn't about passion or love, it's a company. Bottom line is years end revenue and profits. The cash shop help brings up the YOY profit increase. Also I mean 15 dollars a month really isn't much for a company.


Also I keep seeing this whole "Why isn't the money going back to the game?" Because once again that's not the point. every year they allocate a budget for FFXIV, and its up to the devs to use it accordingly. Say they make 100million profit, that 100million doesn't go to the dev team, only maybe 10million does. The other 90 million goes into the SE bank account, which is then used to allocate into other franchises.