Is this entire expansion a bait-and-switch?

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Originally Posted by Naria

Supposedly Doma was "destroyed" as a result but the city looks intact to me so /shrug.

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We have yet to see the city of Doma. What we saw in the trailer and gameplay footage during the keynote was Kugane, a port town on a chain of islands off the coast of Doma.
Basically, they are as far apart as Vylbrand with Limsa and, say, Gridania. Gridania can totally get destroyed and Limsa will still be completely fine, so Doma could be in pretty much any state and it would not affect Kugane :)

It makes sense that there's still Doman survivors living on the outskirts of the ruined city-state.

Yanxia is the region and Doma is the city, so while Doma is destroyed, the Yanxia region should be fine. There's probably other small hamlets/ villages in Yanxia that the survivors escaped to.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

They did show "Doma" in the keynote. Or they at least showed a slide of a city that had Doma written on it. Regardless, I'm stoked that we're going to Othard.

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Assuming that this is Doma, it looks like the Empire placed barriers around it. Maybe they turned it into a labor camp of sorts?

I seem to recall that they did show a screen of Doma in addition to Kugane, but I'll have to go back through the keynote when I've had more caffeine.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Then you end up disappointed by your own expectations. Nobody to blame but yourself. Sorry if you WANT to be disappointed then you can be.

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This is exactly where most people's dissapointment stems from. They let their hype run their imagination wild, to the point they are already creating scenarios that they expect to see when the content releases, and it will be almost impossible to please them once the content isn't what they were expecting.

Its ok to be hype, its ok to speculate, and its ok to make predictions. But don't develop the entire game in your head, cause its a terribly high chance it won't turn out that way.

They did show "Doma" in the keynote. Or they at least showed a slide of a city that had Doma written on it. Regardless, I'm stoked that we're going to Othard.

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

This is exactly where most people's dissapointment stems from. They let their hype run their imagination wild, to the point they are already creating scenarios that they expect to see when the content releases, and it will be almost impossible to please them once the content isn't what they were expecting.

Its ok to be hype, its ok to speculate, and its ok to make predictions. But don't develop the entire game in your head, cause its a terribly high chance it won't turn out that way.

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I get that overhype means you're set up to be disappointed. But look. When No Man's Sky was released, everyone was disappointed. Yes, part of why they are disappointed is because they overhyped how good it would be for themselves. But at the same time, the developers did nothing to check the hype (because it works to their advantage for sales), and in fact, advertised features to some degree that didn't end up being put there.


I'm absolutely not saying this game is NMS. But what I am saying is--if this expansion drops, and Ala Mhigo doesn't feature LARGELY in it (I don't require exclusively, but I do require it be a large portion), then no, that's not my "hype," that's them advertising something and then not delivering on it.

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Originally Posted by Fatestorm

that's them advertising something and then not delivering on it.

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But they just advertised something beyond Ala Mhigo, so if they don't do a good portion of it in the newly announced area, isn't them that advertising something and not delivering on it? The xpac's not out yet, it's not like they only advertised ONLY Ala Mhigo then launched the game and then showed the newly announced region after the fact- this was ALL done before the Xpacs launch so you can't really call it lack of delivery.

As far as zones, these are the named zones I know of so far:

Ala Mhigo:
Rhalgr's Reach

Othard:
The Ruby Sea
Yanxia
The Azim Steppe
Kugane (City)
Shirugane (Housing)

If anyone has more zones to correct me on, I'll be happy to throw them up on the list.

Yoshi said about 50% of 4.0 would occur in Ala Mhigo. So I doubt it will be lacking.

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Originally Posted by Fatestorm

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Ah ok. This is where the problem is originating from. You believe that Yoshi-P and the development team advertised that Ala Mhigo was going to be sole area that the entire Stormblood expansion was going to be based in, so you're disappointed that its now also including Othard in a large capacity.

But see here's the thing. It was never advertised by the development team that this was going to be solely the Ala Mhigo expansion. Literally, the only thing that they ever said about Ala Mhigo is that we were going there to liberate it from Garlean occupation. They showed us an area in Ala Mhigo that we will be going to, and a couple of characters that we may be interacting with while we are there.

It was never said that Ala Mhigo was going to be entirety of the expansion. If anyone believed that it was only because of their own speculations as to how they believed the expac would play out. In fact (and i will try to fact check this) I remember yoshi-p saying that the expansion was going to be about 50% of Ala Mhigo.

The difference between this is & No Man's Sky is that Sean Murray announced a ton, and I mean a literal TON, of content and features that were going to be in the game that were not there. The hype that consumers gained for No Man's Sky was largely because of the lies Sean told about his game, and all of those lies were uncovered once the game came out.

But there were no lies told about this game. In fact, the way the 3.1-3.5 patches and all of the announcements that were made about the game is following the same path that Heavensward took with 2.1-2.55 and the fan festival announcements. The first thing that we found out was that we were going to Ishgard, and we were showed the Foundation (Ala Mhigo, Ralgr's Reach). The patches told us why we were going, and led all the way up to us being on our way. Later, through the rest of the fan festival keynotes and the following live letters, we were shown only ONE other area in Ishgard, and every other area we got were in other places like Dravania and Abalathia's Spine (Othard). These patches now are leading us to Ala Mhigo and is telling us why we are going. But it is not being implied in anyway that we will only be in the Gyr Abania area, which is a very small area btw. We would not be able to have any new multiple large zones like we got in Heavensward if the only place the expansion took place was in Gyr Abania.

I can see if throughout the entire advertisement campaign that Yoshi-P only talked about Ala Mhigo, and never mentioned any other place, but then the expansion came out is when we found out about Othard. THAT would definitely be considered a bait-&-switch. But that didn't happen. We know about it.

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yoshi-p never advertised ala mhigo to be the sole area of 4.0. It wouldn't even be fun if that was the case considering Gyr Abania is so small anyway. If there was any thought that ala mhigo was the only place we were going, its because the community claimed it to be.

If its 50% Ala Mhigo and 50% Othard, I'd be okay with that. Change things up a little ^^

It would make sense that we would all unite against the empire. It is what it is I guess. My hype is all but gone...but meh. Whatever XD

Personally am a bit worried about this, just because of the fact that while Othard was kept under wraps up until now, we already know much more about the areas we'll be visiting there in much more detail than anything we've yet been shown about Gyr Albania.

So this has given me the unfortunate fear that ONE of these two areas will be disappointing. I just don't know if it'll be the one we've been shown little of (because there's actually little to it) or the one we've been shown lots of (leaving nothing left to be surprising).

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

Personally am a bit worried about this, just because of the fact that while Othard was kept under wraps up until now, we already know much more about the areas we'll be visiting there in much more detail than anything we've yet been shown about Gyr Albania.

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From what I took away from the keynote, the Othard areas are like 61-65, so it makes sense they are done first, where as Ala Mhigo is 65+and they are probably still working on it.

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Originally Posted by Xiomara

From what I took away from the keynote, the Othard areas are like 61-65, so it makes sense they are done first, where as Ala Mhigo is 65+and they are probably still working on it.

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I suspect we will start with one initial blow to ala mhigo, realizing we are too weak, only to go to Othard and get strength (lvl up) and then return to where to started and dealing the finishing blow.

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Originally Posted by Enur

I suspect we will start with one initial blow to ala mhigo, realizing we are too weak, only to go to Othard and get strength (lvl up) and then return to where to started and dealing the finishing blow.

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What is in Doma that would help? Its in much the same state as Ala Mhigo and even further away from our existing powerbase.

They said we will start in Rhalgr's Reach so clearly we will at least begin in Ala Mhigo.

Personally I don't give a rats about Ala Mhigo.. The idea of Doma, a oriental themed region with Samurai, and Japanese/Chinese/Mongolian houses and castles.. That is far more up my alley than a bunch of shirtless hunky dudes in a desert.

I'm happy we are getting both.

It's a bait and switch if you were expecting just Ala Mhigo. God forbid you get more for your money lol??

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

It's a bait and switch if you were expecting just Ala Mhigo. God forbid you get more for your money lol??

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Exactly. Expecting a whole expansion to be centered on a city state is silly. Even the "Ishgard expansion" took you away from Ishgard for most of the story.

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Originally Posted by Altena

That is far more up my alley than a bunch of shirtless hunky dudes in a desert.

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Sorta nitpicking here, but it's more of a mountainous region, not a desert.

Aside from that, I'm mostly looking forward to seeing the Garlean architecture that was talked about in one of the previous fan fests.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

We share a common enemy and have been working with Othardans... ians?... already. Either way, what else would you expect? They can certainly continue to add zones to Eorzea, but it's basically an inevitability that we'll push outward eventually if the game lasts long enough.

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We must unite against our common enemy the Ala Migan People's front!

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

It's a bait and switch if you were expecting just Ala Mhigo. God forbid you get more for your money lol??

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That depends. I suspect the people who are worried are afraid that having both means that one or both won't be given justice and will end up getting just a token appearance or sidelined. Personally I am more interested in Ala Mhigo than Doma at the moment and for me as long as Ala Mhigo isn't just skipped over I wont mind but I can definitely understand why it bothers people. Sometimes more things involved means less of each.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Sorta nitpicking here, but it's more of a mountainous region, not a desert.

Aside from that, I'm mostly looking forward to seeing the Garlean architecture that was talked about in one of the previous fan fests.

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Well yes, it is technically.. However desert has a nicer effect regarding the message I am trying to get across :P

"shirtless hunky dudes in the mountains" doesn't have nearly the same effect!

My current "image" of Ala Mhigo is Little Ala (which I know is nothing like the actual city based on concept art / screenshots / trailer etc).