Return to the start after death change

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

Good job for supporting peoples' bad habits, Square.

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Lol. :rolleyes:

I appreciate the change myself, as both a healer and someone who has accidentally clicked it thinking I was being raised.

Good. Now all the "oops I accientally released" people in 24 mans have no excuse.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

Good. Now all the "oops I accientally released" people in 24 mans have no excuse.

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This was an actual thing that happened, it was hardly ever an excuse. I have even accidentally done so as MT.

The change is good as it is.

Next QoL feature could be an auto release after a full wipe.

As someone who, when raiding, has seen the healer use raise on me and see the aggro line drawn to me, but clicked the okay button a split second before the accept raise button popped up and instead hit the return to start button and doomed my whole group more than once, this is a very much welcome change. it's quite easy to accidentally hit that and i'm grateful that they put this in to prevent that, personally.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You weren't going to survive that pull regardless. Even if the tank got back up instantly, they'll have no MP/TP and zero enmity. Unless there were only a couple mobs left, they would rip through the healer and DPS long before the tank ever got aggro back. Same for the healer. Zero MP on that pull is a death sentence.

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It's not about the tank getting back online, it's about me getting back there, dropping some heals to the dps and stun-locking the mobs with Holy. All of which was rendered impossible thanks to the added delay. I would have easily saved the pull with the normal return button -not so with the hold-to-return. It is causing wipes out of nowhere - it needs to be removed.

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

I actually think it is a good thing in that context. Unlike inside boss areas which completely lock a respawned character out of the fight, the respawning penalty was quite low outside boss areas allowing "respawn tactics" to kill monsters. So for me a 2 more seconds is a good thing.
Personally I would even wish that when we respawn we should be locked inside the "starting duty circle" until the the entire group is out of fight.

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Not sure what you are saying: that ppl must not get a random d/c because that's "respawn tactics"? As in making the pull easier thanks to their d/c?

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Originally Posted by Cordie

Not sure what you are saying: that ppl must not get a random d/c because that's "respawn tactics"? As in making the pull easier thanks to their d/c?

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"random d/c"? I 'm not sure what you meant. If you meant random disconnection, I did not talk about disconnection at all in my previous post.

Anyway said otherwise, I'm saying I wish that the penalty for dying in the dungeon should be the same regardless if you are inside a boss area or not, such as if you die and choose to respawn at the start you cannot join back the current fight until it's over.

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Originally Posted by Chocolys

"random d/c"? I 'm not sure what you meant. If you meant random disconnection, I did not talk about disconnection at all in my previous post.

Anyway said otherwise, I'm saying I wish that the penalty for dying in the dungeon should be the same regardless if you are inside a boss area or not, such as if you die and choose to respawn at the start you cannot join back the current fight until it's over.

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You replied to my earlier post, which was about a disconnection. Besides, choosing to respawn at the start is the only option you have as a healer in most cases. And the new added delay is just enough to cause wipes that are noone's fault.

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Originally Posted by Cordie

You replied to my earlier post, which was about a disconnection. Besides, choosing to respawn at the start is the only option you have as a healer in most cases. And the new added delay is just enough to cause wipes that are noone's fault.

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Ah right I see what you mean about the d/c but what I meant was just about the context about someone dying, then using respawn at start and run back to the team to try to save them. That's what I called "respawn tactic".

While for me if you died and cannot be raised by another member, it's a failure as a team (like when inside a locked boss areas) and the real reason why there is a wipe, but since the game does not prevent you from respawning and running back in the first place, adding 2 more seconds is still a step to make it harder (and so better in my opinion).

As for lag or d/c causing wipes, well that's one of the aleas of online gaming and it can happen the same inside boss areas.