Do roegadyns ever celebrate a holiday?

It's a female miqo'te a lot because they are the most played race.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

It's a female miqo'te a lot because they are the most played race.

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Followed closely by female Au'ra. :)

Personally I think this supposed 'waifu' thing is being vastly overstated by those who don't understand why female Miqo'te and Au'ra are more popular than Roegadyn. The funny thing is though, even if it were not being overstated, and a very many people played female Miqo'te and/or female Au'ra because of the 'waifu' thing, all it would do is re-emphasize the reasons for selecting Miqo'te and Au'Ra females more often than others for event art.

But there's not really anything wrong with letting Roegadyn or any other race that isn't a cat/horn girl play the leading role, is there? Nothing wrong with a little difference.

I'll laugh if the Lalafell are suddenly replaced by a Miqo'te for Little Ladies Day, though... maybe.

Nobody's saying that female Miqo'tes and Lalafells should be removed from posters though. Let's just place them on a secondary role and put other races and genders on the "lead". Some people like to see male curves just as much as female on summer events. Some people think Elezen can be classier than Miqo'te to represent Xmas. Would be nice to see a race as filled with energy as Roegadyn representing a New Year's promo art. I would love to see highlanders of both genders for Moonfire events. It's kinda sad that there's a lot of people out there that don't even know we have Roegadyn, Elezen and AuRa as playable races because the promo artwork always features female Miqo'te, Hyur midlander and Lalafell. This isn't FFXI, we can have male cats on artwork too, SE.

No one's gonna stop to play the game if there's a Roegadyn on a promotional art. So the whole "it's because it's the most played race/gender" thing is kinda frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

But there's not really anything wrong with letting Roegadyn or any other race that isn't a cat/horn girl play the leading role, is there? Nothing wrong with a little difference.

I'll laugh if the Lalafell are suddenly replaced by a Miqo'te for Little Ladies Day, though... maybe.

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It's going to happen, since the devs keep forcing more miqo'te kittens at us

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

No one's gonna stop to play the game if there's a Roegadyn on a promotional art. So the whole "it's because it's the most played race/gender" thing is kinda frustrating.

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This year's Moonfire promo art featured a Roe, Elezen and Midlander.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...oonfire_Faire/

I guess the fact that people are forgetting this says a lot about why they don't do it more.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

This year's Moonfire promo art featured a Roe, Elezen and Midlander.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...oonfire_Faire/

I guess the fact that people are forgetting this says a lot about why they don't do it more.

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Or it could be the fact that the Moonfire is a very generic poster.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

It's not sad. It's called business. It has nothing to with undermining a certain race. People want cute waifus more. The company just simply caters to the greater dominator. Which happens to be Miqo'te.

The top image is all characters created which includes bots. That's why male Hyur is so high. The second image is active players. This chart here shows that female Miqo'te and female Au Ra are the most picked races among active players.

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It's not so much that people have a problem with them catering to the GCD, but more so that everyone else feels like their race gets the finger in the process. Surely they can keep the majority happy while at least attempting to acknowledge there are other races.

http://i.imgur.com/7zeU0vP.jpg

Cat girls/Au Ra girls are just much cuter for artwork than a bulky Roe.
Its really easy to understand why they use those more in artwork.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

Cat girls/Au Ra girls are just much cuter for artwork than a bulky Roe.
Its really easy to understand why they use those more in artwork.

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Art needs to be cute?

We won't get Roegadyn as the main race to a holiday for the same reason bestial races are 100% out of the question.

Kawaii waifu desu ne race comes first.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

We won't get Roegadyn as the main race to a holiday for the same reason bestial races are 100% out of the question.

Kawaii waifu desu ne race comes first.

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Personally I think one of the reason they will NEVER release a bestial race is because of The Ceremony of Eternal Bonding: Lover's Kiss. If they make a ceremony specific to them it will backfire as people will cry "Miqo'te should have a racial specific ceremony!!"

You can sell products even better, if you put a baby (face) on the cover. Cause we humans tend to buy these things more often (showed by statistics, I won't buy my apple juice if there is a baby on it lol). It's the relation from body and head (eyes,...), which make it "cute". So it makes more sense for a art which shows a cute miqo'te (and others) then a manly Roegadyn...

Compared to Roegadyns: Wtf. They looked so dangerous O_O They wanna hit me if I'll say something wrong. :O

Female Miqo'te?
Well. Look at the gear. I thing 90-95% of all male (miqo'te) equip looks like the same. Tank or Caster pretty much the same. And on female side: so much variations. From a fighting girl to a office woman everything is possible... (That is my opinion)

I was a lala for a short time. I saw the world in a different angle. Was funny (we trolled our Raid-Leader - 7x Lala, 1x Roegadyn lol, like a kindergarten). But I felt soo small or in other words everything looked soooo big. I was happy to find other lalas at this time...

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

Cat girls/Au Ra girls are just much cuter for artwork than a bulky Roe.
Its really easy to understand why they use those more in artwork.

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But does it have to be cute? Let's take a look at FFXI's Starlight Celebration posters from the past.

http://i.imgur.com/TlQN7CF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qCHbZh4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KXZQfo7.png
http://i.imgur.com/M7oqeu4.png
http://i.imgur.com/yGW6zKU.jpg

Anyway, like Galka, if Roegadyn are drawn a specific way, they can appear as cute/adorable bear-ly men. Same applies to the women. The artist has the power to draw the eyes/face the way they wish.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

Cat girls/Au Ra girls are just much cuter for artwork than a bulky Roe.
Its really easy to understand why they use those more in artwork.

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Yeah if you're an amateur who just learned figure drawing 101. Good thing the staff has hired professionals.

I don't get how people don't want diversity in the artwork. It's ridiculous. Especially the one who called me jealous. How can anybody be jealous. I'm not a real Elezen. Your not a real cat-girl. Get over yourselves! All people want is to see diversity in the artwork. What's the problem with that? They're not selling anything to be honest. Just announcing what's coming to us. The poster for Ishgard should've had prominent Elezens, because it makes sense, just like a poster for Stormblood should have prominent Hyurs. Those are no-brainers. It's what lives there. Hell, in the poster for Ishgard there are 3 Lalafells in there, but I can't think of one Lalafell NPC that actually is in Ishgard.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Kawaii waifu desu ne race comes first.

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First, second and last.

Personally, I'm just salty SE sees me playing miqo'te an Au Ra and thinks I want "cute" races, when the actual reason I play them is because they got tails and odd ears >_>

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Originally Posted by Nestama

But does it have to be cute? Let's take a look at FFXI's Starlight Celebration posters from the past.

http://i.imgur.com/TlQN7CF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qCHbZh4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KXZQfo7.png
http://i.imgur.com/M7oqeu4.png
http://i.imgur.com/yGW6zKU.jpg

Anyway, like Galka, if Roegadyn are drawn a specific way, they can appear as cute/adorable bear-ly men. Same applies to the women. The artist has the power to draw the eyes/face the way they wish.

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Aside from the last picture, I don't really like any of those pictures. FFXIV artwork is far more appealing to me, and maybe that is because of the cutesy waifu designs.

Slightly off topic.

About all these Miqo'Kittens (And lack of Roegadyn Kids) popping up lately, I asked back in 2014:
"There are no Roegadyn children around. You see Elezen, Hyur, Lalafell but no Roegadyn or Miqo'te."

This was a huge mistake, at the time I noticed that only Questions regarding Miqo'te were getting talked about so I included Miqo'te in the question even though I was really wondering about Roegadyn. That's the race I play and at the time there were also no Miqo'te kids.

However, My question was asked again during the first Fanfest during a lore panel with Koji Fox. There was no mention of Roegadyn children at all, the focus was towards Miqo'te only.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...u8--f1_iE/edit

I noticed that we only see Midlander Hyur children. Where are the other race children?
A.) They don’t let them out! >:C No, they were just kidding. Elezen children in Gridania. More Miqo’te children in 3.0.

Roes were completely ignored
in my opinion, It really feels like Roegadyn are either hated or just forgotten a lot

Also I would like to add you can create cute/pretty looking FemRoe, Elezen, Highlanders.... in the character creator people just don't give them the time of day.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

First, second and last.

Personally, I'm just salty SE sees me playing miqo'te an Au Ra and thinks I want "cute" races, when the actual reason I play them is because they got tails and odd ears >_>

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Doesn't help players in game treat you based on your race in game too. At least, on the 3 servers I swap between. I wasted used a Fantasia to turn into a cat just so people would talk to me. And they did. A lot. Some people even thinking the reason I talked to them was for insta sexual gratification ERP, to which it was so opposite of the fact I'd call it 350 degrees.

Same applies to Lalafel actually. I get treated literally like a child. I get it, I'm adorable, but dammit Lalas are evil 1000 year old soul drainers, everyone knows this!

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

There is only a handful of Artwork that has Female Roe in it (not including Merwyb, but actual "Player" character Roes).

And the sad thing is you can create cute/pretty looking FemRoe, Elezen, Highlanders.... in the character creator people just don't give them the time of day.

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While this is true, notice how they all tend to have the same make up or faces in the pictures you posted, well, aside from the main black haired Roe. Every time I see a femRoe, they all have that same dark make up, dominatrix like eyes, sexy lipstick, and turbo honkers. Hopefully when Stormblood hits we'll have a variety of more faces and eyes, but it's generally boring when there's only 1 face everyone deems good enough.

Kinda funny... Now that I look at it when they are all together they really need to make art with other races looks really silly how they are basically all cats.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

but it's generally boring when there's only 1 face everyone deems good enough.

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It's also boring when all four faces look the same too. (speaking specifically about female miqo'te here)

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Originally Posted by ErryK

It's also boring when all four faces look the same too. (speaking specifically about female miqo'te here)

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I think the only variation is with cats honestly, for desirability. Take this as a personal opinion, but I find that all the races have perhaps 2 good face settings. I've customized every gender of every race and it's the lalas that can be near identical aside from the eyes. Anyways, the majority of the faces just don't look good or appealing. Except for cats and Sea Wolf women. It's also not a matter of who's prettier, either, I just find that there's usually 1-2 ok looking faces while the rest are dopey, dumpy or ARGH I'M SO ANGRY

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Originally Posted by ErryK

It's also boring when all four faces look the same too. (speaking specifically about female miqo'te here)

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No, all 4 face options for Sun kitties do not look the same, nor do all 4 face options for moon kitties look the same, just as all male Roegadyn don't look like Lou Ferrigno on a bad day.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

No, all 4 face options for Sun kitties do not look the same, nor do all 4 face options for moon kitties look the same, just as all male Roegadyn don't look like Lou Ferrigno on a bad day.

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Look pretty the same to me.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

This year's Moonfire promo art featured a Roe, Elezen and Midlander.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...oonfire_Faire/

I guess the fact that people are forgetting this says a lot about why they don't do it more.

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It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race. Therefore they will always be rare in-game, and forcing the matter through some in-game version of positive discrimination would be yet another example of real world politics intruding into the game. The point is people choose to play who and what they choose to play. Starlight posters featuring pretty Miqo'te and Au'ra females in mini-skirts will not change that one jot.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Look pretty the same to me.

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Your problem, not mine.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

It's going to happen, since the devs keep forcing more miqo'te kittens at us

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'forcing'? Player character demographics show an inherent player bias towards certain race/gender combinations, taking note of that with game art is not forcing anything on anyone, it's being responsive to player character demographics.

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

It's kinda sad that there's a lot of people out there that don't even know we have Roegadyn, Elezen and AuRa as playable races because the promo artwork always features female Miqo'te, Hyur midlander and Lalafell.

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I'm not sure that the game promotional material does that, I think it's pretty well inclusive. I don't think the in-game event posters for things like Moonfire Faire or Starlight are impacting player choice, but in any case, as PArcher pointed out, the moonfire faire this year used both a Rogadyn and an Elezone as two of 3 races in the event art, and as the NPCs for the event. So please, don't act like people don't know about Elezen, Highlanders or Roegadyn, that's just silly.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

No, all 4 face options for Sun kitties do not look the same, nor do all 4 face options for moon kitties look the same, just as all male Roegadyn don't look like Lou Ferrigno on a bad day.

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https://i.gyazo.com/273bc94dd93f0b92...e8a2875c9f.gif

The one with the darker nose is probably the only one that looks different, but the other three look more-or-less the same, and between the two clans, they're copy-pasted save for the markings and the eyes. Male Roegadyn have four different faces between the two clans. That's just the way I see it.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

The one with the darker nose is probably the only one that looks different, but the other three look more-or-less the same, and between the two clans, they're copy-pasted save for the markings and the eyes. Male Roegadyn have four different faces between the two clans. That's just the way I see it.

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You swapped faces, yes. But you didn't swap the eyes or lips. Show a lapse of a randomizer.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You swapped faces, yes. But you didn't swap the eyes or lips. Show a lapse of a randomizer.

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Well they were talking about faces... so of course he will show the faces not eyes and lips...

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You swapped faces, yes. But you didn't swap the eyes or lips. Show a lapse of a randomizer.

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That's not relevant when the changes between eyes and lips are minimal and still give the same look. I'm not advocating that femqo'te are the only ones with this issue, there are two faces on male Roegadyn Hellsguard that are the same, just the facial hair is different. All four faces on female Elezen look like each other. Male Elezen have a young face and then three faces that look similar, bar facial hair options.

It's an issue with a lot of races and genders in this game, but it's most widely seen with femqo'te.

But that's besides the point of the topic. The topic states that Roegadyn are barely seen celebrating any event as the main demographic of this game prefer kawaii desu ne race(s), specifically female Miqo'tes and female Au Ra. A bit of diversity doesn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

https://i.gyazo.com/273bc94dd93f0b92...e8a2875c9f.gif

The one with the darker nose is probably the only one that looks different, but the other three look more-or-less the same, and between the two clans, they're copy-pasted save for the markings and the eyes. Male Roegadyn have four different faces between the two clans. That's just the way I see it.

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They look different enough to me.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

That's just the way I see it.

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Exactly. Statements like yours about all Miqo'te looking the same are as nonsensical in-game as they are about people in general in the real world.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Almost every single holiday event (except for recent New Years9(Au Ra), Halloween(Au Ra) and Valentines day(Elezen<3) ) has a Miqo'te/Lalafell in the art/Main Quest NPC, although this years Moonfire faire has a Roegadyn, Elezen, and Female Highlander in it (which was amazing btw because Roe, Highlander, and Elezen are the least popular 3).

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3959950

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Exactly. Statements like yours about all Miqo'te looking the same are as nonsensical in-game as they are about people in general in the real world.

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The point is, I'm trying to advocate diversity. We've seen enough Miqo'te for a lifetime, what's the pain in bringing in other races? The only potential we have for other races is Valentione (Elezen), Moonfire Faire (Roegadyn), and Little Ladies Day (Lalafell), All Saint's Wake, and only recently (Au Ra). Every other event is, more-or-less, "locked" to female Miqo'te, and only female Miqo'te.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

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As I said with regard to the moonfire faire event this year;

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It's also notable that the NPCs for that event were those 3, no Miqo'te, Lala or Au'Ra in sight. As always so much is open to personal bias, and those who feel that their chose player race is hard done by will continue to feel that way no matter what because a relatively small minority of players choose that race.

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All you are doing is proving a personal bias. I don't have the time or inclination to pull all 3 years of ARR (and I specifically mean ARR, not XI or FFXIV1.X) in-game event art and count up all the characters depicted by race and gender. Even if I did, there is no reason or point in doing so, because all that would happen is we'd see that over time all races/genders get featured, and that there are some trends for which are more frequently used, and they correspond to player character demographics. I honestly don't see a problem there at all. The genders and races most often used by players are the ones most often used for event art, the ones least often used by players are least often used for event art. There is a cause and an effect there. I know that some would like to suggest that the event artwork drives player choice, but I believe that is a total fallacy, player choice is driven by player preference, not whether or not a pretty Au'ra or Miqo'te female is standing in front of a Starlight tree on event artwork.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

The point is, I'm trying to advocate diversity. We've seen enough Miqo'te for a lifetime, what's the pain in bringing in other races? The only potential we have for other races is Valentione (Elezen), Moonfire Faire (Roegadyn), and Little Ladies Day (Lalafell), All Saint's Wake, and only recently (Au Ra). Every other event is, more-or-less, "locked" to female Miqo'te, and only female Miqo'te.

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Diversity? or positive discrimination? If the choice of NPC and character art for in-game events broadly speaking matches the player character demographics, which is does IMHO, then why is there a problem? Advocate diversity all you like, don't ignore examples that disprove your claim (moonfire Faire), and don't try to link player choice of character race/gender with event art, that's nonsense. People choose to play what they want to play, regardless.

Honestly, stop trying to make an issue where none exists. Limsa is ruled by a Roegadyn, Gridana by a Padjal, Uld'ah by a highlander and Lalafel, and Ishgard is ruled, if I am not mistaken by a Elezen. The leader of the Scions is a female midlander. Only one of the Scions is a Miqo'te. I don't remember seeing any male Au'Ra, or Miqo'te in positions of power or influence, and the only miqo'te is Y'shtola and she's a secondary player in the Scions.

If you want to start talking about player races being poorly represented, how about the fact that Miqo'te females are most often represented as courtesans, escorts, exotic dancers or plain old fashioned prostitutes? Seems like female Miqo'te are poorly represented in-game in general when you look at it that way. That doesn't even begin to touch on male Miqo'te, or Au'ra of either gender.

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Making a connection of player choice to how event art is displayed is 100% truth, and don't try to deny it. It's a marketing tactic to get the biggest demographic, and if over 50% of the playerbase is female Miqo'te, then likely, the event art will feature a female Miqo'te. You can't deny it because it simply is that way.

And where is the problem? Well, when people's races are not included in the art, it would feel like those players are being left out of the event. If the art is all-inclusive, it would probably work out better IMO and we wouldn't have threads like this... speaking of all-inclusive... this feels a lot like the Starbucks red cup situation... hmm...

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Honestly, stop trying to make an issue where none exists.

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That may be how you see it, but naturally you would, your signature and your player character prove that, so I don't think you have a platform to talk when your in-game race is the one being catered to.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Making a connection of player choice to how event art is displayed is 100% truth, and don't try to deny it. It's a marketing tactic to get the biggest demographic, and if over 50% of the playerbase is female Miqo'te, then likely, the event art will feature a female Miqo'te. You can't deny it because it simply is that way.

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What? Player choice of race and gender is not driven by in-game event art. Stop being ridiculous. People play what they want to play.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

And where is the problem? Well, when people's races are not included in the art, it would feel like those players are being left out of the event.

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Well, then, Moonfire Faire 2016 was a pretty crappy event for Miqo'te, Au'ra and Lalafel wasn't it?

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Originally Posted by ErryK

That may be how you see it, but naturally you would, your signature and your player character prove that, so I don't think you have a platform to talk when your in-game race is the one being catered to.

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LOL, I see, so because I chose - during the beta - to play a female Miqo'te, and chose that because my character in a previous game was female and also based on KOS-MOS, because of that I can't comment, because my choice is catered to? The fact that you say that my choice is catered to demonstrates the point that the artwork is led by player preference, not the other way around, thanks for contradicting your own argument.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

The point is, I'm trying to advocate diversity. We've seen enough Miqo'te for a lifetime, what's the pain in bringing in other races? The only potential we have for other races is Valentione (Elezen), Moonfire Faire (Roegadyn), and Little Ladies Day (Lalafell), All Saint's Wake, and only recently (Au Ra). Every other event is, more-or-less, "locked" to female Miqo'te, and only female Miqo'te.

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I want to see even more female Miqo'te and Au Ra.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I don't have the time or inclination to pull all 3 years of ARR (and I specifically mean ARR, not XI or FFXIV1.X) in-game event art and count up all the characters depicted by race and gender.

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Just do it.

It isn't just about other races not being included in the artworks. Sometimes they are included HOWEVER they are always in the background.

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/...KlJh1SNnSuzLsE
Giant Picture of Miqo'te, everyone else in the background

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/...kCLXiLLmj9pjis

Again big Miqo'te artwork dead center, poor Roegadyn in the background hardly visable

http://68.media.tumblr.com/01396b241...maho1_1280.png


http://68.media.tumblr.com/a0d1d02d9...amaho1_540.png

Finally they draw Roegadyn, and they look awsome too!

wait...
wait no better crop them out

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...png?1467272215
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...de/goldsaucer/

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

What? Player choice of race and gender is not driven by in-game event art. Stop being ridiculous. People play what they want to play.

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Lightining returns X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7a3221ddd3.jpg

PSO2 X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV (even though FFXIV's exclusive Race Au Ra was already released)
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV62_thumb.jpg
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV71_thumb.jpg
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV70_thumb.jpg

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/07/06...r-event-begun/

Y'shotla (A Miqo'te) in Dissidia to represent FFXIV
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TIHmIwWUgYE/maxresdefault.jpg
Y'shtola (A Miqo'te) in Theatrhythm Final Fantasy Curtain Call to represent FFXIV

Why not him? https://i.redd.it/t97j71moerrx.png