Viera Should Of Happened

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I wonder how much better of an outcome this thread could of had if someone else made it, since some people have a negative bias towards me here.

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I'm gonna quote you word for word from another thread and change "dancer" to "viera"

Viera "is not happening."

Oh yeah and..."Deal with it"

It's not bias...you just get back what you give out and some people just didn't want Viera just like you don't want Dancer. You are just on the other side of the argument this time; think about that for a minute.

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Originally Posted by Nightroad

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Any wonder why a more bestial race seems so unlikely? While all have the right to voice their opinion, people seem to forget where they are. One wouldn't buy tickets to a rock concert and complain not enough Chopan was featured. There are many games that cater to more monstrous variants of playable races as an option for those that wish it, this however is not those games. Many long time FF fans enjoy that very aspect about the series.

It is a complete shame that the female AuRa didn't adhere to the concept art (particularly the Xaela), as it would have have added a much needed mature, fierce, powerful, female option along side Elezen, Highlander, and Roegadyn females.

While Viera is not my definition of fierce, the fact that have been portrayed as elegant, mature/ serious, and relentless in past FF, just feels like a missed opportunity for 4.0. I will support their inclusion in FFXIV, they have been asked for by the community since FFXI, many of those same players are here asking for the option even now after nearly a decade.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Any wonder why a more bestial race seems so unlikely? While all have the right to voice their opinion, people seem to forget where they are. One wouldn't buy tickets to a rock concert and complain not enough Chopan was featured. There are many games that cater to more monstrous variants of playable races as an option for those that wish it, this however is not those games. Many long time FF fans enjoy that very aspect about the series.

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The devs literal response is because Japan likes cute things. >.>

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

The devs literal response is because Japan likes cute things. >.>

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I agree with it. Hydalen is not a nice place, some of the storylines are far darker than many other games will dare to delve into (see The Bear and the young'uns' care, The DRK quest line 30-50, For all the nights to come, ect...) However the visual representation & overall world view/ setting, strike a balance (for me) that i don't find in other mmorpg's. Just watch the scenes found in A knights calling... that wouldn't look or feel right with a character that looked like a FFXII Seeq.

It really shouldn't have, and I hope it never does.

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Viera Should Of Happened

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It was the most polled, there are hundreds of threads on it, and if not thousands of feedback on it from the fan base. Not only that, but it was also teased heavily in the Stone & Steel Artbook. Why would SE do that? Players want more race diversity so bad. The only saving grace at this point is if they revolutionize player customization.

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No. No they shouldn't have.

If ANY race is to be added, they should be added when it's sensible to add them. We are going LITERALLY right next door to the neighboring country. What's the story going to be? "Yeah we've been here all along, nice to meet ya"? We don't need another group to show up on Eorzea's door step saying "Yeah, our country came under attack by the Garleans, now we're here" we already have the Domans for that.

Let us get away from Eorzea a bit before a new race just shows up.

Races need better faces...
Exemple, there is no face i would like to use in hyrur .
They need to work on customization.

LOL. It's the same people generating content in order to make it appear there's a wealth of support. One thing management has, which apparently the OP has not, is a good number of how many people play, which they can compare to this supposed groundswell of support begging for the bunny wabbits.

I beg not for the bunny wabbits. I don't think a majority of anyone but those who spam websites to create false impressions are yelling for Viera this and Viera that - along with the big butt slider.

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm...."

PS "Should of"? Puleeze. Learn your language...should OF...it may sound like OF, but it bears repeating, it's "should have" or maybe what the OP tried to say "should've". In the subject line, no less...really good for the credibility.

Instead of a new viera thread every day, how about one every hour?

This shouldn't have been more than 1 page...

Guess it depends what OP means by "should of". I'm not familiar with this phrase, is it anything like "should have"? ;)

I have to agree on the desire for better customization of the races we do have rather than a new race at this time.

Maybe they can finally unlock features from being locked to specific faces now, at least.



They are completely dropping all ps3 support this expansion...

Lol, your own poll gives you a slap in the face.
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By the moment i'm posting there are 75% for more/improved Character customization in any kind and only 13% for Viera.

Not to say that your focus on the Ivalice Alliance for a new race is just rediculous and biased.

That's a pretty bad poll though, only 1 choice between a variety of non-mutually exclusive options?

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Putting Cait Sith ears on a hyur doesn't make a Miqo'te, and putting Ultima horns on a hyur doesn't make an Au'ra.

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true.

and when they add a Viera race they have to rework ALL the headgears to add holes for the ears. and how should a viera be able to wear the cait sith ears? or the bunny ears? adding Viera is a lot of work in regards of making hundreds of gear pieces we already have to fit them.

so i can see why we didn't get Viera.

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Originally Posted by Bloody

@Yasuhiro FFXI*

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Don't know what you're trying to correct me on.
Viera exist in XII and any games in the ivalice universe.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Viera

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Lol, your own poll gives you a slap in the face.
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By the moment i'm posting there are 75% for more/improved Character customization in any kind and only 13% for Viera.

Not to say that your focus on the Ivalice Alliance for a new race is just rediculous and biased.

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Can people please stop bashing me? I'm not trying to do anything wrong to anyone, but most of the time people treat me negatively. I have asked people to stop multiple times, and they won't. I pay my subscription fee like everyone else, so please, you don't have to agree with me, but keep it civil.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Can people please stop bashing me? I'm not trying to do anything wrong to anyone, but most of the time people treat me negatively. I have asked people to stop multiple times, and they won't. I pay my subscription fee like everyone else, so please, you don't have to agree with me, but keep it civil.

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If you want people to stop "Bashing" you, then stop making these repetitious threads, then playing the victim when people call you out on it.

We have enough races. Another Hyur with animal ears and a tail will not do good nor will add great variation from what we already have. Plus a new race will not easily fit lore wise. AuRa already didn't blend really well in Eorzea yet. They pulled the "trick" of the "outsider" race which appeared out of nowhere to explain Au Ra but it didn't quite worked very well and certainly it will not work again as it has already been used. I prefer more customization options for the current races than the dirty solution of a new Hyur like race with different ears and a tail.

Au ra make perfect sense, Doma isn't exactly a nation that is nearby considering that Yugiri and her people had to sail to Eorzea to begin with, I think once we get further outside of Eorzea in general /then/ they could add in new races but for right now it would be better to focus on what they already have.

Personally I would be thrilled with a miqo'te subrace that has both the sunseeker eyes and moonkeeper fangs, or hyur/elezen crossbreeds, more long hairstyles with better physics so they don't clip so badly, more facial feature options, the ability to pick horn styles seperate from faces on au ra like people have been wanting for forever.

The other point I have to make is that while I do /adore/ viera that is a tactics/12 race, why not have more unique ffxiv races instead? Again~ sometime down the line when we get to go to far away places.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Still wouldn't be Viera.

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Look at the Aura concept. Now look at what they put in game.
Do you think the viera would even look like a viera?
Nope~ it'd be a cute faced hyur with ears and tail slapped on.
You can just get that at the gold saucer and not waste dev time.

Why Viera?

I really want to know why the Viera are so darn popular. Is it because of Fran from FF12? Is it because of the bunny ears? Or is there something more? I'm not knocking anybody for wanting it, I'm genuinely curious. I've joked about it, I've read about it, now I want to know about it.

Thanks!

Its so true. People who want this will never get it like the race from FF12 because it means SE will have to redesign the gear for that one race. in there mind that is a waste of time. Why do you think we don't have the ability to make are muscles bigger or are bums bigger its a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Any wonder why a more bestial race seems so unlikely? While all have the right to voice their opinion, people seem to forget where they are. One wouldn't buy tickets to a rock concert and complain not enough Chopan was featured. There are many games that cater to more monstrous variants of playable races as an option for those that wish it, this however is not those games. Many long time FF fans enjoy that very aspect about the series.

It is a complete shame that the female AuRa didn't adhere to the concept art (particularly the Xaela), as it would have have added a much needed mature, fierce, powerful, female option along side Elezen, Highlander, and Roegadyn females.
While Viera is not my definition of fierce, the fact that have been portrayed as elegant, mature/ serious, and relentless in past FF, just feels like a missed opportunity for 4.0. I will support their inclusion in FFXIV, they have been asked for by the community since FFXI, many of those same players are here asking for the option even now after nearly a decade.

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Maybe one day we'll get a third clan for the existent races ? (could this be considering as exanding the current charac customisation ?) Still hoping to see those demonic Au'ra one day

I feel we have no chance to get a new race in this game whatever we wish.
SE looks dont feel to do more race but go more on glamour and hair style.
Hope they think of customization of the body too in futur patches.

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

I really want to know why the Viera are so darn popular.

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Well, playboy bunnies are popular. Viera is pretty much that but the bunny features aren't part of a costume.

Or, that's my guess at least. The most concise answer I ever got when asking that question was:"Because Viera!"

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Originally Posted by Kikoten

Why Viera?

I really want to know why the Viera are so darn popular. Is it because of Fran from FF12? Is it because of the bunny ears? Or is there something more? I'm not knocking anybody for wanting it, I'm genuinely curious. I've joked about it, I've read about it, now I want to know about it.

Thanks!

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My theory? There's not just one all-encompassing answer, but I think a big reason, if not the big reason, is that at the end of the day, a lot of this playerbase has a preference for "hot girls with animal ears." I'm not trying to put anyone down or anything of the sort. It just is what it is. The vast majority of the active player characters are miqo'te and au ra. That's not a coincidence.

Before Au Ra were introduced, a big thing I kept hearing/reading is that in the grand scheme of MMOs, Miqo'te were a unique race which is why they were so popular. That's all fine and dandy, but when Au Ra were revealed, instead of all those people going "oh, that's a little disappointing. The women seem very similar to Miqo'te," they were met with mostly open arms and people loved them. Now here we are with two undeniably similar races with different animal ears and people are clamoring for a third.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that is because people want diversity. If people truly wanted more diversity, Viera seems like the least likely candidate because let's be real, even if you take their FFXII incarnations and cover up their ears, at a quick first glance, they hardly seem all that different from regular humans which is the biggest complaint you see about Miqo'te and Au Ra currently. And I say this as someone who recently played and loved XII, as someone who still thinks that Viera are a cool addition to the FF universe, and as someone that thinks Fran was an awesome character.

I fail to see how Viera of all things could possibly be considered unique or seen as adding diversity in the FFXIV universe specifically though so that's why i continue yo believe that again, most people just want hot characters with animal ears. There's nothing at all wrong with that. I'm just calling it like I see it.

All that said, I am not trying to ignore the possibility that XII is a popular FF game. You ask 100 different people to rank every game in the franchise and you'll get 100 different answers. From my understanding though, XII in particular tends to be one of the most divisive games in the series regardless of if you're asking casual or hardcore fans. So based upon that - which I cannot stress enough is just based off what I have seen personally and should not be taken as gospel - I'm hard pressed to believe that everyone who wants Viera does so because XII is one of their favorite games. Or hell, maybe they hated/were indifferent towards XII, but just really did love Fran. Who can say?

Like I said originally, I don't think there is one clear cut answer. I am simply throwing out my own theory.

Can't get everything in life.

They aren't gonna add a new race every single expansion, that's not how expansions work.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Still wouldn't be Viera.

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And it never will be? IF a playable rabbit race is added to XIV (and that is a BIIIIIG if), it will look nothing like Ivalice's Viera.

Those claws and rabbit feet? Gone. Those are human fingers and feet now. The tail? Most likely gone due to clipping issues (especially for robe-like gear). The race would literally just be a humanoid with rabbit ears, which will either clip through head gear, or be subjected to the ear-socks of shame.

"Should of"

*shudders*

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Originally Posted by Galaktica

My theory? There's not just one all-encompassing answer, but I think a big reason, if not the big reason, is that at the end of the day, a lot of this playerbase has a preference for "hot girls with animal ears." I'm not trying to put anyone down or anything of the sort. It just is what it is. The vast majority of the active player characters are miqo'te and au ra. That's not a coincidence.

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Be fair here - those races are incidentally also the most bestial ones there are, so they're the "only" choice for people who'd rather have something more animalistic/special.
Looking at the GW2 race distribution, 15/14% are Charr, 15/18% Asura, 15/18% Sylvari, 20/14% Norn and 35/32% human. It's obvious human and pretty wins, but that's a significant portion of players that doesn't get their preference if that's all there is. WoW racial distribution paints a similar picture: While around 14% are human and blood elf each, the next thing, night elves, only get 10% and are closely followed by undead with about 8%, the Orcs, Tauren and Worgen with about 7% each and Trolls and Draenai with around 6% each. The rest scores under 4%. Again, the most human races are roughly twice as popular as the odd ones and again, the people who prefer the less human ones make up a significant portion of the playerbase regardless.

Even though still miles from the ideal, the closest thing to what those people want are Miqo'te and Au Ra in this game.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Be fair here - those races are incidentally also the most bestial ones there are, so they're the "only" choice for people who'd rather have something more animalistic/special.

Even though still miles from the ideal, the closest thing to what those people want are Miqo'te and Au Ra in this game.

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The thing is, there are much more beastly races then the Veira. Take the Ronso for example, or the Bangaa' or that other pig-like Ivalice race. In thier incarnation, Veira are thin, tall, amazonesque, rabbit women. The race is 100% female and f I'm not misremembering, the debs said something about how they had troubles designing a male equivalent because it kept looking off.

Look, in my ideal world-lore reasons be damned- I'd have bangaa and viera at the same time. But Japan wants moe-moe kyun-kyun stuff so I'll probably never see bangaa in the game unless i gotta kill its expy (see amaljaa).

So you can imagine my satisfaction to hear that they'll never add miqote with bunny ears. Muhahahaha.

I want Viera thanks

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Originally Posted by viewtyjoe

Viera don't fit in with anything from a lore standpoint.

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Actually, all that Viera concept art we've seen was the first concept art for the AuRa.
SE originally was going to have the AuRa be a rabbit demi-human race with the same lore and naming conventions they have now but they decided to go with something they felt "the game didn't have".

Guess we just have to wait for 5.0 then

First of all, it's should have, not should of, but that's being petty.

Second point I'm here to make, the only reason, and I quote, OP wants Viera is because, and I quote: "2 years is a long time and I'm gonna get bored of our current races :(" Being bored is not a valid reason to take 6 months or more of dev time to make every singe piece of gear fit Viera, let alone design and implement them, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Galaktica

My theory? ...

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I used to absolutely love catgirls and other girls with animal characteristics... but I think I'd be more into monster-girls, aw yeah. **Looks at Roegadyns** Monsterrrr ♥

Ahem. I hope we get another really large race someday, like half-giants, or giants. No, I don't secretly want to see half-giant/giant women and use my Lalafellin height to look up their robes. Are you crazy? I'd never do that.

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Originally Posted by Rhodkr

The race is 100% female and f I'm not misremembering

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There are male viera in Ivalice as well.