Feedback: The Recent Removal of Exclusive PVP Rewards

I don't really mind that they are unlocking the minion, but I do mind that the replacement is an earring. I probably won't be getting top 10, so this is really how I feel about it for people who ARE going to get top 10... You worked hard for it. You should get more than a tiny earring. Earrings are *barely* noticeable. Top 100 get a special huuuuuge mount, and top 10 get a tiiiiiny earring (and a minion that others can obtain)? It seems silly. I have a special exclusive earring from other contests and I can promise you no one notices it. I just get to wear it to feel good about myself. But, even if they had changed the accessory to something else, it is unlikely people would notice it either. A lot of necklaces get hidden with different gearsets.

I really like the idea of a unique PvP emote or weapon glamour. However, I think they might be saving special weapon glamours for future PvP seasons (as they said they would be switching things up from time to time). I had previously mentioned this in another thread... and perhaps I am very old fashioned... but I would really like to see PvP title rewards! You could show those off anywhere. The special 'icon' would be a nice touch, but then surely other people would be asking for that special icon for other difficult content, such as beating savage raids when they were 'current' content.

Thinking more outside the box, what if one of the unique rewards was a special haircut you could *only* get by being a top PvPer? Something really, really gladiator-like.

Hopefully they'll remove the Top 100 mount from PvP exclusivity because *cough* Mount Collectors.

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Originally Posted by Etrius

Hopefully they'll remove the Top 100 mount from PvP exclusivity because *cough* Mount Collectors.

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If that happens rip feast tbh

What if season 4 reward was the exact same as season 3 reward, no slight variations of any kind, unlike like season 2 and season 1 reward, would that turn majority of the recurring top feast players away to allow newer feast players a chance to get the reward.

Season 4? You're thinking too far away my friend.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

What if season 4 reward was the exact same as season 3 reward, no slight variations of any kind, unlike like season 2 and season 1 reward, would that turn majority of the recurring top feast players away to allow newer feast players a chance to get the reward.

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This was something that caused a lot of confusion between seasons 1 and 2, and thus they explained that rewards will change every 2 seasons. That allows for a good measure of time for people to compete for the rewards (even if similar but different), as well as forward incentive still.

Personally, I'd have wanted one of those coats from S1 or 2 as opposed to a mount. I already have the mounts I really want except for the original ADS, and it wont be too long before I get that.

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Originally Posted by abbas

ikr this can't make me even sadder. ppl complain for minion and get some pages of reply and SE act for them. we ask for GC restriction fixing for queue times long time ago with many many many threads and still not fixed.
if PVP mode and pvpers are not that important for SE why not just let the game be PVE mode and not stress themselves with us. i could just move to another game for pvp with actual rewards instead of putting effort here only to get my future seasonal rewards handed freely later on as some type of achievement.

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I want to highlight this so it can be seen by the devs.

We as the vocal minority of an already-minority group of players receive so little, both in content, and in reward, and when you finally DO try to offer something of interest, it's lessened to an achievement award, and then we're offered a participation award as well. This is unacceptable.The gear we have is well below current PvE levels, and generally not all that useful for the content it was intended for, and thus becomes special currency-restricted glamour. Materia is, and will continue to be useless as long as current modes ignore their bonuses, and the Morale stat is defunct, yet still added to new gear. Wolf Marks ultimately become useless as we participate enough to cap, then have so little of relevance to spend it on, and there is no means of currency exchange, or better use besides.

In the end, our rewards are minimal, irrelevant, easily-grinded even by people that otherwise scoff at or ignore the content required for it, and it would seem far too often our requests, concerns, and communication seems to only go one way. This too is unacceptable.

This is not about wanting to have things ONLY to ourselves. No. This is an issue when what little we're offered in the way of newer and greater reward incentive is changed to become a participation award for anyone who otherwise wouldn't bother with PvP, THEN offered little more than a participation award for those who put forth the effort to rise above the rest in the spirit of competition. This is about the complaints of minion collectors being answered within days, yet our requests and complaints have only now, after more than a year received a "maybe". You tell us to "Please look forward to it", then offer us so little to look forward to. And now apparently, if that proves controversial to an entirely different and unrelated group of players, it becomes something even less interesting to look forward to.

If I could make a personal complaint, I would say please don't offer any minions in the future. Instead, how about a little better treatment?

I hate what this means that they caved in so quick to such a very small minority over something so ridiculously trivial. It's like when the t9 savage title got changed because 1 guy claimed it was homophobic based on the movie it was referencing...when it turned out that movie is the complete opposite of homophobic.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

I hate what this means that they caved in so quick to such a very small minority over something so ridiculously trivial. It's like when the t9 savage title got changed because 1 guy claimed it was homophobic based on the movie it was referencing...when it turned out that movie is the complete opposite of homophobic.

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The problem is I would expect that very small minority to still significantly outnumber the PVP player base.

Since patch 3.5 is approaching and soon after the end of season. I think this topic should be revisited and gain more traction so hopefully SE will care.

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Originally Posted by Etrius

Hopefully they'll remove the Top 100 mount from PvP exclusivity because *cough* Mount Collectors.

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What about Top 30 premade mount? Even 70% of Top 100 will not get it (it's usually the same people in both tops). I have a solution for these 'exclusive' rewards which is really simple and efficient for both pvpers and mount collectors. But maybe I should post in in separate topic because it'll be lost on a sea of whining here and nobody will read it.

But man...an earring as comphensation? Because when I zoom in on that pigtailed cute lil lala..imma really be lookin at her ears. *puts on trenchcoat and sunglasses and one hand in pocket* Seriously lol...kinda messed up. A few top 10ers I know for sure pulled pvp allnighters and some pretty stressful matches to get up as far as they did, then people who won't set 1 foot in the arena raise just a little stink and bam, instant change.Me say this with humble respect Mr. Yoshi but in da real world..we call that being....'fake.'

Please nobody wants earrings :(

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

Please nobody wants earrings :(

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Earrings are invisible with long hairstyle, and The Feast S2 earrings aren't the best choice for glamour when you have something better. I think even GC earrings look better. But many will glamour them anyway because they are 'prestigious', I guess.

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Get...Hype...?

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Originally Posted by Etrius

Hopefully they'll remove the Top 100 mount from PvP exclusivity because *cough* Mount Collectors.

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Bit of a bump but being both a PvPer and a mount collector who's lost his chance at the Hellhound I would much rather just have an alternative shot at it in the future, preferably in a way that would support the growth of the PvP community (achievement maybe?).

I mean that's reasonable right?

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

Bit of a bump but being both a PvPer and a mount collector who's lost his chance at the Hellhound I would much rather just have an alternative shot at it in the future, preferably in a way that would support the growth of the PvP community (achievement maybe?).

I mean that's reasonable right?

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3-4 weeks left and queues are still popping, why is your chance gone?

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Originally Posted by TiramisuMacaron

3-4 weeks left and queues are still popping, why is your chance gone?

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On Chaos at least, the queues seem rather destitute, could just be bad luck though.

I demand 1.0 exclusives since nothing else is allowed to be exclusive!

Chat restrictions implemented mid-season, top 10 being given the "additional" prize of earrings - the same thing I got just for competing last season. . . Man, Season 3 is going to be remembered as the absolute WORST Feast Season.

That is if anyone even participates in Season 4.

People need to stop thinking the chat banned will derailed season 4, when season 4 arrived with a new feast map, queues I absolutely assure you will be popping.

I'm not saying it absolutely will. Though I can say that I previously stated that if they pushed the change, I would not participate in Season 4 by way of protest. And I mean that. No amount of rewards or new maps will change my mind. At the same time, a larger majority of players dislike the change, and have expressed that it only complicated trying to cooperate with your team - essential to winning and climbing in ranked competition.

Perhaps those who have no problem with the change, or newer players that don't know any better will be queueing. And that's fine. But many who already had issues with the Feast aren't exactly going to be motivated to participate.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Perhaps those who have no problem with the change, or newer players that don't know any better will be queueing. And that's fine. But many who already had issues with the Feast aren't exactly going to be motivated to participate.

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The majority of players will likely participate, but with a certain amount of disinterest in climbing the rankings. The Feast just continues to be more of a joke with each passing season.

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Originally Posted by CrimsonThunder

On Chaos at least, the queues seem rather destitute, could just be bad luck though.

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I know the feeling about long queues... I often am in queue 4-8 HOURS. I, too, am a mount collector and very disappointed. I can't even TRY to place because I can't GET IN! :(

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Man, Season 3 is going to be remembered as the absolute WORST Feast Season.

That is if anyone even participates in Season 4.

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Sadly, Season 3 will probably be the last for me. More and more often I find I don't enjoy PvP anymore with a sheer amount of stupidity and nonsense I see every day. To the point I want to quit not only PvP, but the game entirely.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I'm not saying it absolutely will. Though I can say that I previously stated that if they pushed the change, I would not participate in Season 4 by way of protest. And I mean that. No amount of rewards or new maps will change my mind. At the same time, a larger majority of players dislike the change, and have expressed that it only complicated trying to cooperate with your team - essential to winning and climbing in ranked competition.

Perhaps those who have no problem with the change, or newer players that don't know any better will be queueing. And that's fine. But many who already had issues with the Feast aren't exactly going to be motivated to participate.

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Most ppl still will participate for rewards and tbh its not the worst season.

Season 1 didn't have a mid-season chat ban and a sudden influx of entirely new players.

Season 2 didn't have a mid-season chat ban and a sudden influx of entirely new players.

Neither also didn't have quite so many alts from different data centers, nor the controversy of the top 10 reward being handed out to players later, along with what's normally a participation award being offered in its place.

Yeah. Season 3 is the worst. Unless perhaps Season 4 will be! Time will tell, but I won't bother trying to see.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Season 1 didn't have a mid-season chat ban and a sudden influx of entirely new players.

Season 2 didn't have a mid-season chat ban and a sudden influx of entirely new players.

Neither also didn't have quite so many alts from different data centers, nor the controversy of the top 10 reward being handed out to players later, along with what's normally a participation award being offered in its place.

Yeah. Season 3 is the worst. Unless perhaps Season 4 will be! Time will tell, but I won't bother trying to see.

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Influx of more people isnt neccesary a bad thing and for example season 1 matchmaking system alone makes it the worst season gameplay wise.

Season 2 had the worst matchmaking. Season 1 and 3 are mostly the same with Season 3 making it far easier to reach higher tiers.

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

Season 2 had the worst matchmaking. Season 1 and 3 are mostly the same with Season 3 making it far easier to reach higher tiers.

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Season 3 didn't have mid-season chat ban. They could of implemented the chat ban during season 4 pre-season and ask for our inputs.

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Originally Posted by Kai_Lee

Season 3 didn't have mid-season chat ban. They could of implemented the chat ban during season 4 pre-season and ask for our inputs.

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Agree 100%, changing something like this in between a season is crazy. Games are so different now than they were in the first half of the season. It's night and day.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

Influx of more people isnt neccesary a bad thing and for example season 1 matchmaking system alone makes it the worst season gameplay wise.

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An influx of new players isn't bad, no. An influx of new players that are largely unaware, unable to be taught thanks to asinine restrictions, and in some cases uninterested in learning because they're "just here for the event"? Yeah, no thanks.

Season 3 will hardly be remembered for anything good.

As for the reward, I think it would be fair to do something like Top 100 players per season or 1000 (certain amount of wins) in two seasons - you will get a mount. Top players will get extra accessories. I think that will encourage other players from playing more. Even though this doesn't solve win-trade, it will help with new players who want to try out and keep them trying.

I also think it is unfair for season 3 cause half of the season 3, players could chat and understand each other during the fight. Now, people can't chat or try to work things out so getting win is harder.

A lot of times I saw healers would say "hello" two or three times, not sure what they meant. The communication is totally lost. It is more like a guessing game and pissing off each other for spamming macro.

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Originally Posted by yumeyume

A lot of times I saw healers would say "hello" two or three times, not sure what they meant. The communication is totally lost. It is more like a guessing game and pissing off each other for spamming macro.

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I say "hello" as a "notice me senpai" type thing. I will use it if I am attuned and need a Clem or if I need mana back. It rarely works though :(.

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Originally Posted by TiramisuMacaron

I say "hello" as a "notice me senpai" type thing. I will use it if I am attuned and need a Clem or if I need mana back. It rarely works though :(.

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Exactly. You know what used to work really well?

Healer MP macros. Which you can't use now.

"Nice Job!" SE

I'll be honest some of those "I need MP now wake the fk up brd/mch" used to help me out the very few times I feast on bard. Sometimes I get too caught up in the battle and don't notice mage MP but the spam gets my attention lol.

I think every feast seasons winners should be awarded coupons(quality, not quantity) based on placement, and those coupons can then be exchanged for items, allowing winners to choose if they want to get the current reward or some previous reward, which should incentivize more players, since some may not be interested in the current reward, but may be interested in some reward that was available in the past.