[1206] Water spells

Only the Seventh Umbral Era can cast Water.

Which will flood Eorzea and change its face forever.

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Arcanist Guild is located in Limsa Lominsa, which is surrounded by .....

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Pirates!!!!! oh you meant water :P

I dont remember if they said they were releasing another class anytime soon.

But if they do release Arcanist to have some of the missing stuff I mentioned, I will be super happy again to not only get the skills back but to have a third mage.

Let us hope that is their plan, because I do not believe SE would remove so many skills without their being a plan, I just wish they would not leave us in the dark. Maybe they will answer it in a dev question or something.

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Originally Posted by viion

I dont remember if they said they were releasing another class anytime soon.

But if they do release Arcanist to have some of the missing stuff I mentioned, I will be super happy again to not only get the skills back but to have a third mage.

Let us hope that is their plan, because I do not believe SE would remove so many skills without their being a plan, I just wish they would not leave us in the dark. Maybe they will answer it in a dev question or something.

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He already said the game is lacking in mages and that he plans to add another one at some point.
He said this in several interviews and in the last live video aswell.

I'm more curious how this will work on when Black Mage is added. Since I thought Yoshida said you can't mix-and-match actions as a job.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

I'm more curious how this will work on when Black Mage is added. Since I thought Yoshida said you can't mix-and-match actions as a job.

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I wouldn't see how that would make a huge difference, blm would have to just use the spells they are given.

Most mage classes in MMO's dont' have access to more than 3 magic schools.

It's probably unlikely though that they would restrict aero and stone from being used, espcially considering you require con 15 to get the first quest. (which suggests at least one if not both of those spells will be obtained before 15)

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Originally Posted by Orophen

Also, getting all of these spells before level 50 makes it hard for progression later on. You'll get your AM. It'll just be after level 50. More than likely another magic class will have enfeebles too. Because bunching every single spell that exists under 2 classes is pretty a crappy thing to do if you plan on having more than 2 magic classes.

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That was a problem with XI like 5 classes using the same magic BLM RDM SMN PUP SCH.

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Originally Posted by ZirgonSoul

Pirates!!!!! oh you meant water :P

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I only regret that I have but one like to give.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

I wouldn't see how that would make a huge difference, blm would have to just use the spells they are given.

Most mage classes in MMO's dont' have access to more than 3 magic schools.

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Guess it depends on what happens. If they add something weak to earth/wind and BLM can't use it, that's going to suck a bit.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

I'm more curious how this will work on when Black Mage is added. Since I thought Yoshida said you can't mix-and-match actions as a job.

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They said "some" actions will not be able to cross classed

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Originally Posted by Volsung

They said "some" actions will not be able to cross classed

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I might have to look into that then. Been a long time since I seen anything about the job concept.

Either way, BLM sounds fun to play this time around since I won't be cripped by gear swaps like XI.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Guess it depends on what happens. If they add something weak to earth/wind and BLM can't use it, that's going to suck a bit.

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Assuming we are even keeping the same elemental wheel.

Funny thing is that Ifrit being fire based should be weak to wind and Aero belongs to CNJ, so would a CNJ be better at DDing Ifrit or would a THM ?

Does a THM lose any magic potency if he uses cross class magic spells such as Aero ?

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

I might have to look into that then. Been a long time since I seen anything about the job concept.

Either way, BLM sounds fun to play this time around since I won't be cripped by gear swaps like XI.

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nope now you will be crippled by activities, for example no one would use BLM in Ifrit fight so the whole class becomes redundant due to the choice in magics.

It will be like how TOAU was anti-blm lol.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Assuming we are even keeping the same elemental wheel.

Funny thing is that Ifrit being fire based should be weak to wind and Aero belongs to CNJ, so would a CNJ be better at DDing Ifrit or would a THM ?

Does a THM lose any magic potency if he uses cross class magic spells such as Aero ?

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Assuming they keep the system the same I'd assume you lose potency, but don't quote me on that.

Also just because I'm curious. Which elements are considered astral and which are considered umbral?

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Originally Posted by viion

nope now you will be crippled by activities, for example no one would use BLM in Ifrit fight so the whole class becomes redundant due to the choice in magics.

It will be like how TOAU was anti-blm lol.

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Just because X mobs is weak to X element does not mean X class will not be good in a fight. right now fire seems to hurt Ifrit even tho he is made of fire.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Just because X mobs is weak to X element does not mean X class will not be good in a fight. right now fire seems to hurt Ifrit even tho he is made of fire.

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ofc it will hurt him, fire on fire elemental hurt them, its just not optimal or as good as say water, the one being removed! :O lol

so things will stay the same, where its X class onry to specific events. All this diversity will end up being a waste because people will always want to use the best strategy and already its clear blm is not part of that strat unless the mob is weak to blm's 2-3 specific spells or they need sleep or something.

maybe mages wont lose potency when cross skilling. Which fixes that lil issue.

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Originally Posted by viion

maybe mages wont lose potency when cross skilling. Which fixes that lil issue.

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Hopefully this is the case, I was/am hoping that they make blackmage super powerful in boss situations.

Blm will have 4 fire spells which I find slightly odd.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

Assuming they keep the system the same I'd assume you lose potency, but don't quote me on that.

Also just because I'm curious. Which elements are considered astral and which are considered umbral?

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Umbral: Thunder >> Water >> Earth >>

Astral: Wind >> Fire >> Ice >>

(I think this is how it goes. It's 2 3-body wheels.)

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Originally Posted by Answa

Umbral: Thunder >> Water >> Earth >>

Astral: Wind >> Fire >> Ice >>

(I think this is how it goes. It's 2 3-body wheels.)

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Dang, there goes my theory on WHM getting Astral and BLM getting Umbral.

Not to burst any bubbles but i thought Arcanist was more of a "trap" mage class? I could swear Yoshi-P said that somewhere...maybe the first Live Letter or right before it. Would it make sense to give it regular elemental magic?

Also without Water the wheel could look like:

Stone > Thunder > Wind > Fire > Ice > Stone

Stone absorbs the Thunder cracks through the Wind blows out the Fire melts the Ice entraps the Stone.

As far as the Light/Dark spells I would assume those to be reserved for a new class entirely, hopefully Time Mage (since Time Mage did have Astral Magic [it did have Meteor as its final spell in Tactics])

Ancient Magic might become a Scholar thing, learning the old magicks and stuff

Enfeebles might introduce a Red Mage type class/job (Fencer > Red Mage anyone?)

But then there is the talk of the Geomancer (which I believe Yoshi-P said he wanted to introduce as it is/was a Japanese favorite back in XI's day so I assume it still is)

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Blm will have 4 fire spells which I find slightly odd.

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When you think destructive power, you naturally think Fire spells. I don't think it's out of left field for BLM to have more fire nukes at first. They will probably get more of the other elements in the future though. Progression doesn't stop at level 50.

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Originally Posted by Orophen

When you think destructive power, you naturally think Fire spells. I don't think it's out of left field for BLM to have more fire nukes at first. They will probably get more of the other elements in the future though. Progression doesn't stop at level 50.

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Perhaps, but it seems a bit backward in going forward to remove 2 fire spells and add 4.

Edit :- although thinking about it, it was more like 4 seeing as you could AoE on and off. nevermind :P

Fire seems to be the new hot item though (see wut I did thur). PUG/THM/LNC all get Fire based abilities/spells/ws, I didn't care to read any of the other melee classes though so maybe more get it too! (just strange to me)

i have the same question, I NEED WATER! =P it's my favorite element, and it would be casted by CNJ =)

Favorite element, I made +60 water magic potency boots for it.... I will cry. lol

IDR FF4 very well, but in FF5 and FF6, Blue Magic would give you Aqua and Aero.
FF7 also had variances to these, such as Arua Ring (I THINK it was called.)
I was surprised these became BLM spells later, but shrug and dealt with it.

If they ever add RDM, I don't see it being a "Melee Mage" Since MNK has become that now.
Similar to BLU.
Most likely a BLU will be more like Strago, a more "Mage" stat class. (ArcAnimist being the most likely class to a Blue Mage, simply because the Geomancer/Pet class options that were originally planned for it, are more so spread to BST/SMN now.)

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Yea and what about those Water wands, and water attack magic potency materia etc etc.

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Not to mention swimsuits.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

Maybe Cure - IS - considered the Water elemental spell. Just because it isn't offensive doesn't mean it can't have an element.

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I personally would say... cure belongs to light..

white mage is not about elemental magic.. he is about light attacks like banish, holy, dia and so on.. cure is definatley not water type. its light magic

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

lets remember they could always add water later when lvl cap goes up.

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Ppl are just silly and do not realize thAt lvl cap will likely increase in future pateches or expansions.
Also, all those spells that got removed I hope/think will be added to the new DoM. Class

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

I personally would say... cure belongs to light..

white mage is not about elemental magic.. he is about light attacks like banish, holy, dia and so on.. cure is definatley not water type. its light magic

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If I'm not mistaken, I think one of the fan sites had dats from the game and cure had some water element to it and one other... I remember seeing it way back like a year ago.

MND is still "associated" with the water element, and shows up on water-based items, but there's no added effect to heals by increasing water affinity and no added effect to water damage potency by increasing MND, so that whole argument is pretty pointless. It's just everyone used to seeing the pairings of fire-STR, earth-VIT, water-MND, etc. that makes people think there is something more, but there isn't currently.

Anyhoo, I have faith that SE will bring the beloved water and flood back in whatever form, either post-level 50 or on a new class/job (I always think of Sages and Bishops from FF tactics with the water/aero spells,..... though I will admit BLM only having fire, ice, lightning is pretty old-school FF, haha)

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

MND is still "associated" with the water element, and shows up on water-based items, but there's no added effect to heals by increasing water affinity and no added effect to water damage potency by increasing MND, so that whole argument is pretty pointless. It's just everyone used to seeing the pairings of fire-STR, earth-VIT, water-MND, etc. that makes people think there is something more, but there isn't currently.

Anyhoo, I have faith that SE will bring the beloved water and flood back in whatever form, either post-level 50 or on a new class/job (I always think of Sages and Bishops from FF tactics with the water/aero spells,..... though I will admit BLM only having fire, ice, lightning is pretty old-school FF, haha)

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I'd love for them to add Templar like in Tactics advanced. Would be a cool branch off of Lancer.

And hopefully we have nice spell effects with all the skill changes. NO more repetitive animations

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I'd love for them to add Templar like in Tactics advanced. Would be a cool branch off of Lancer.

And hopefully we have nice spell effects with all the skill changes. NO more repetitive animations

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Hehe, before XIV was even in alpha, all my brainstorming was around FF tactics.

Bishop, Defender, Templar, Illusionist, Alchemist, Sage, Time Mage, Fencer, Assassin, Elementalist....

Now THAT was pulling off class uniqueness with only 10 abilities, just wow.

But on that warm, fuzzy feeling, that's for another thread. lol

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

Hehe, before XIV was even in alpha, all my brainstorming was around FF tactics.

Bishop, Defender, Templar, Illusionist, Alchemist, Sage, Time Mage, Fencer, Assassin, Elementalist....

Now THAT was pulling off class uniqueness with only 10 abilities, just wow.

But on that warm, fuzzy feeling, that's for another thread. lol

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Lol they should just go with Tactics classes. So much win in that game and not many people have played it. I also LOVED the story. For the PS1 version of course. Not tactics advanced.

Anywho, I'm sure water will get added later, there are only like 11 abilities posted for THM so far

I could definitely see a mage class originating from LL getting the water line of spells.

Possibly Arcanist since its guild is already there? However there is proof in game that Arcanist can summon familiars in the grand company quests a la Beastmaster. But who knows, SE can make anything they'd like.

My lolReasoning behind a LL mage for water spell line:
Island city surrounded by water
Leviathan lurking about

CNJ got wind and earth, two elements associated with the forest/Gridania
Wind and Earth are two of the least "damaging" spells/threat to a forest

THM got fire/blizzard/thunder
Fire is in their class icon
All 3 bring death quickly and/or painfully
Uldah is a desert - Fire
Uldah has a live fast feel - Thunder
Uldah is cold and unforgiving - Blizzard

Time to blow this thing up!

Ice is frozen water.

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Originally Posted by Zangetsu

Time to blow this thing up!

Ice is frozen water.

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Or is water melted ice? Mindblowing.

Oh man, this is great.

SE went back to the real traditions of the series. Now water will be a Geomancer/Blue Mage spell as per the tradition.

Now we can see who the hypocrites are.

Well Yoshida did call it the Beast tamer class, but since the arcanimist was originally intended to be a pe/geomancer class, its quite possible the "Beast tamer" will be the arcanimist. (Also because the BST/SMN will be DoM)

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Originally Posted by Lusavari

What happened to the element of Water? I was checking the lists, and there was nothing about water. CON had Wind and Earth attributed to it, while THM had Ice, Fire, and Lightning. But no one had Water? Was it just left off the list, or what's the deal?

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Like was said in the last letter, The new list is just added/edited skills, not ALL skills.