Why do people beg for cash shop stuff?

I wouldn't ask for anything to be put on the cash shop but I know what others might
Instant Gratification so they can wear their flavor of the hour outfits, Loads of money left from their fortnightly NEET bux, They want to "support" the game.
Any number of reasons really

I've only bought two things from the Cash Shop, Odin's horse

(Always forget the spelling and I been following this franchise for years!)

and Lightning's outfit because I missed out on the event and I love Lightning. Out of those two I only regret the horse because c'mon $15 for a mount that could have been a drop in Urth's Fount? I feel like I just contributed to the problem. Any other cash shop things I own were gifted to me and I always use them in one way or another unlike a lot of people who as mentioned before, use/wear them for an hour and just let them sit in the retainer.

Cash shop should have just been Fantasia, missable items (Like Lighting Costume) and weddings I guess.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

I'd rather the forums be flooded with threads about politics, religion, and Harambe than sit here and constantly pick through this drivel. This is giving me Super AIDS.

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Then stop engaging the Mimics, yo.

I absolutely hate when people ask for stuff to be added to the CS right away (like, if it ends up there, okay, that's SE's desicion and nothing we can do about it, but don't ENCOURAGE it..>.<),
but I have to admit that I:

1. apprechiate the chance to pick up seasonal stuff I missed/used up while it stays fair to those who did pay during the month said event was up (adding it for free the next year would be unfair to those who paid their monthly fee a year prior)
2. felt relieved at least once that something got added to the CS instead of ingame because that way, I could just buy it instead of having to hunt it with an absolutely impossible chance of ever obtaining it.

Yes. The absolute abundance of RNG in 3.4 has driven me to the point where I jumped with joy when I saw the Korean Dress was added to the CS and not a 0.1% chance reward from a hoard that you maybe get with a lot of luck on a floor of PotD that you need a fixed party and 12 hours of uninterrupted playtime for to even have a single chance at getting said hoard....or a low chance drop from the 7th floor of Aquapolis where you need a lot of luck to even get inside, then a lot of luck to get any door to open, etc. Nope, I could just hop into the Mogstation and I've been having an absolute blast with the dress since then, proving that playing to obtaining something isn't always the fun part, playing with it after you obtained it is just as great and the CS saved me the hassle I have had for nearly 2 months now with a certain poncho and hairstyle >.>

While laziness certainly cannot be ruled out, you'll more often see "begging" threads because people recognize money talks. A company has far greater incentive to make the item you covet if they see a profit in doing so. Think about it from your own perspective. Two people ask you to help them move, but only one offered you $100 for your time. Who do you go help?

As it stands currently, I personally dislike the fact that the amount of exclusive content you can buy via the cash shop is increasing. If we -absolutely- need to have a cash shop, then I wouldn't mind keeping the seasonal content due to the fact that it was once available ingame for everyone subscribed at the time, and I can also agree with fantasias since we've had the opportunity to receive one from the 1 month veteran rewards. The exclusive mounts/glamour/minions etc. however? I hope not! Opinions may vary, but there's people who take real joy in piecing together unique glamour items along with the interactions that emotes bring to the table. There's some people whose priorities aren't into dungeons and raids, just as there are people whose priorities aren't into spending time creating a glamour outfit. They may feel annoyed when they see they'd have to pay money ranging from half to the full price of a 1month subscription (and for some items, more! Ahem Odin emote) for an outfit that they cannot get anywhere else. This clearly limits the amount of content they can access, because they have fewer options compared to people who have bought the items. The choice to make the special dyes available ingame is a good decision on SE's part, (though they really should've been available ingame from day 1 of implementation) and I hope Yoshida continues to do this for more minions/glamour etc. I also have a feeling that the Alisaie and Thancred minions that were available via wondrous tails could've also been added to the cash shop.. and we'd be none the wiser.

I believe time and effort should be a more important resource to spend than money when it comes to a subscription based MMO. The reason why I favour subscription models is due to how we all have the same opportunities to enjoy content. There may be some differences in player priorities and skill levels, which in turn relates to what sort of content they'd favour more, but it's undeniable that every subscriber has the same access to content as the next subscriber. This may be an outdated view due to how the market increasingly seems to favour business models such as F2P MMOs with microtransactions, but for the very few subscription based MMOs out there, I hope this ethos lasts until the day that the FF14 servers shutdown.

I think the items should be added both ways, cash shop for people that don't want to play the game or want to grind to get the item, and in game for people that enjoy this kind of option. I don't like the idea of having old seasonal items in the cash shop either, in my own personal opinion I do think, these items should be for people that actually played to that time.

I know it's not an unique item anymore if 200.000 people have it, however it makes it even less unique if 3 million people have it lol. I don't mind having different packages of dye options in the cash shop, or the wedding packages, even mounts are fine (could make the option that if not obtained via in game, than those are account bound when bought).

Before people now tell me to get a job, I do have one and I do buy items from the CS quite often, however lately it's getting out of hand and I wish they would take a closer look at it and consider some changes.

SE should add more glamour to the DoH books.
This way it is obtainable ingame and people can spend money (as gil) on it at the same time.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

I think the items should be added both ways, cash shop for people that don't want to play the game or want to grind to get the item, and in game for people that enjoy this kind of option.

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With a high price, so that buying it in the CS is the last option, and not the first option.

I WANT MY SQUALL OUTFIT!

@OP: Because stupidity and laziness is a lethal combination.

To be fair, in at least some cases the tailoring or creation of the glamours you find in the cash shop that aren't old holiday rewards, the earnings made by the cash shop selling the item would have been factored in to their decision to make it accessible in the first place. Otherwise they likely wouldn't have spent the additional money on the creation of such items.

I think when people beg for stuff on the cash shop it is less about laziness and more about expectation of actually getting it added to the game. SE has a set resource amount to dedicate to the game. To convince the SE executives to allocate more funds to development, that development is going to have to be necessary to either yield a profit or sustain the current one. Case in point is the Chinese dress. That would have made SE a lot of money making it a no brainer. Just adding it in game however probably wouldn't make a huge impact on the actual subscription numbers the game has.

That's the raw reality of business. That said, it isn't all bad for us. If the cash shop is making a lot of profit it counts as the bottomline earnings for the game giving the dev team a stronger case for more money to be allocated to the game's development and the financing of expensive upgrades such as the EU datacentres or the server architecture upgrades we are apparently getting in 4.0. Money from the Cash shop will be adding to the money going back into the development of the game. Not having a cash shop doesn't mean we would have these things anyway. It would likely mean instead that Yoshi P would have less resources to work with. Subscription money is reliable but it doesn't offer the cash injections that the cash shop offers.

I guess if people have the money then they'd pay for it.

I'm pretty indifferent about the cash shop as long as it stays with selling optional cosmetics. I really see nothing wrong with that.
It's pretty much a business so it's good for the company and good for the game if (some of) the money earned is invested into it, and it probably has been since Stormblood apparently has triple the budget compared to Heavensward. Running an MMO also takes lots of spending, like server maintaining and making new content regularly.

I'm not really seeing it going away even if the community hates it since lots of people buy stuff from there anyway.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

For the same reason people buy gill, Lazy, It does not require any work, and you just need real money to get it instantly.

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Absolutely 1000% spot on

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Originally Posted by BakaChin

I don't see how any of the items in the "cash shop" are game breaking. They're purely cosmetic with some items from previous events that some players were either not playing then or unable to get now.

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i don't think the OP is questioning if it's gamebreaking or not, he is questioning the people's attitude.

Just stop replying to those thread and they will be gone until one hour to page 2 of general discussion where no one is reading xD

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

Some of you just don't understand what Yoshida really wants.
& don't understand why he go this way, let me tell you...:

1.You don't need to work for anything, everything is fast & easy in this game.

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when you don't have to work for anything, and everything is fast and easy in this game, why did you said:

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

I don't want to do FATES or DF with random players for days for just a glamour stuff

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

2.But SE needs money, & I like the nice looking cash shop outfits.

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of course SE needs money, we all do (except you it seems). if you like nice looking outfits: fine. but do you only like them because they are expensive? and would you still like them if they were for free in the game?

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

3.You are just wasting your time if you try to work for anything in this game:Gears reset every 3-6months, Relic quests are just recycle contents. >ilv230 is useless if you don't raid. or you want to build relationship with randoms in DF?

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i thought we were talking about glamour? glamour is not replaced within 3-6 months. and if it was, why would it be better to spend real money for glamour pieces if they will be replaced every 3-6 months? that's a waste of real money, and the time you have worked for that money. but however, you said:

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

1.You don't need to work for anything, everything is fast & easy in this game.

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plus i actually play this game to waste my time. that's what games are meant for. why do you play this game?

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

4.People asked for classic MMO stuff, did Yoshi responded? No

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true ^^

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

5.People asked for cash shop items, did Yoshi responded? Yes & fast & always

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really? the only thing wich we got wich people were begging for were the chinese outfits. they were already developed for the chinese version and they just had to copy them into our game-version. they have NEVER implemented any cash shop items were people have asked for. and it took a year to implement the chinese outfits, that's not "fast".

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

maybe this is not the game for you?

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do you think so? i like grind, i like doing stuff in duty finder, i even like doing fates from time to time. i like wasting my time here. YOU are complaining about the game, WE are complaining about the cash shop. and it seems you are the person who don't like to play this game, so you just buy the stuff in the cash shop...

You know what, I'm so sick of people insulting people for spending their own sticking money. You all must be BROKE and live in trash cans if anyone spending ANY money makes you cry so hard like this to insult someone. And if you're not broke I bet it sucks having someone call you broke isn't it? If it does STOP calling people LAZY cause they have the money to buy a stupid dress. You see what you're doing? You can't get away calling someone lazy and get pissed someone else calls you BROKE. Good GOD.

Look I have NO problems with different opinions, my only problem is the stupid insults. " Oh no you must be lazy cause you want to BUY something" Like seriously? So Fing what. They want to buy a stupid dress.. IS your day RUINED? NO. Unless you're BROKE and couldn't gt it anyway. It's not game breaking so who the hell cares. Everyone needs to go outside and stop worrying about how much money or time someone else has. Man... live and let live.


I just wish everyone could have different thoughts and not be insulted cause of them. It's draining and makes everyone look like kids with no respect for anyone else. But I'm not helping either cause I'm letting that shxt get to me. So I'mma take my own advice and relax :D After all.. this is the internet. Noone respects each other here. lol

I don't think any of you nay-sayers realize that any new vanity added to the game is stupid rare drop from a rare dungeon floor from a rare dungeon entrance.

That's not work. It's luck. How is that fair? And I'm sorry, but spending 20 million gil for one item.... that's not fun.

All of the new glamour items require those rare items. I don't want vanity items to be based on RNG drops.

It would have been fine if the Cash shop was limited to utility stuff like: Fantasias, name change and server transfer.
Sadly thanks to alot of lazy

moronic

people, we ended up having actual game content such as: Mounts, clothes, emotes, dyes, minions, furnitures, hairstyles and more are in the cash shop instead of in game rewards.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

thanks to alot of lazy moronic people, we ended up having actual game content such as: Mounts, clothes, emotes, dyes, minions, furnitures, hairstyles and more are in the cash shop instead of in game rewards.

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Wait, but we have plenty of in-game rewards. In fact, we have more in-game rewards in nowadays patches than we did back in the beginning. All thanks to the lazy moronic people who spent extra money in this game and helped it grow. But no, we want to keep all the extra in-game rewards we're getting nowadays, but we should make sure that SE doesn't get the extra money needed to add those!!1!

As for why people ask things in the cash shop, I think a good reason is that those are extra items unrelated to the main patches. Getting new things between patches is more exciting than getting nothing at all. (Again, items in the cash shop would NOT have been made if they weren't going for sale. They are NOT stealing from the game's main content).

It's instant gratification. Problem is it causes things to just be in the shop rather than the game which is why those people do deserve criticism. Also I'm sick of hearing "I work for my money". It's a video game, you either play it or you don't. Just buying your way through things kinda misses the point of playing, yeah?

I wouldn't really call it laziness. Like Zojha and others have mentioned, people have worked for the real money paid to get those cash shop items.

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

It's instant gratification. Problem is it causes things to just be in the shop rather than the game which is why those people do deserve criticism. Also I'm sick of hearing "I work for my money". It's a video game, you either play it or you don't. Just buying your way through things kinda misses the point of playing, yeah?

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That really doesn't matter when the items have absolutely no large effect on your gameplay. Most of the stuff from the cash shop are exclusive and the past event items are rather easy to get at the time they were free. The dyes are just luck-dependent.

You people still don't understand.

Yesterday, I played COD13, it's a game that costs few HUNDRED MILLIONS to make,
& I completed it in ONE day,
if you want to continue playing that game, IW needs to put even more money for new contents.

Instant gratification cost game company arms & legs,

Do you remember how many new weapons & armors you've got while leveling?
and the cutscenes, voices, CGs, new dungeons, fancy outfits, new gears every 3 months, new graphic engine, countless QoL changes.
you like them yes? but do you know they cost a lot?

That's why you see cash shop & DLCs in these games

If you don't like cash shop, then contents need to have longevity,
that means the game will be something like FFXI/FFXIV1.2x/EQ, do you like these games? No?
If you like the current state of the game, then cash shop must exist

I am ok with both LOL

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

It's instant gratification. Problem is it causes things to just be in the shop rather than the game which is why those people do deserve criticism. Also I'm sick of hearing "I work for my money". It's a video game, you either play it or you don't. Just buying your way through things kinda misses the point of playing, yeah?

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It's for costumes tho. You make it sound like people are buying dungeons. So you mean to tell me that stupid dress is something equal to a dungeon or endgame gear? Cause it's not the same thing. Long as nothing is P2W why care people want to spend their money on a stupid costume? IF we were talking about gear thats something different. But we're NOT. And it's not there so why insult someone buying a dress?

Put it in the game and also on cashshop. Both can get what they want and the end.

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Originally Posted by PrincessNuri

Put it in the game and also on cashshop. Both can get what they want and the end.

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One would think - but then the people who either can't or don't wish to buy an item from the Station will complain about how "unfair" it is they have to work for their item while others can just buy it. There is really no winning solution to this cash shop vs. anti cash shop debate.

So I say the best solution is to just let people do whatever - you want to rant and complain about the cash shop, go ahead. You want to buy any item the cash shop releases, whether you plan to use it often or just for a few hours? Go ahead. What needs to stop is both sides of the fence attacking each other for their differing opinions/decisions in regards to the Station.

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

You people still don't understand.
that means the game will be something like FFXI/FFXIV1.2x/EQ, do you like these games? No?
If you like the current state of the game, then cash shop must exist

I am ok with both LOL

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Actually you are totally wrong about FFXI. What you described happened with FFXI when Abyssea hit, large amount of players left the game as equipment became obsolete over night. It also killed off majority of the HNM and endgame scene. So no people liked the game till they started making it easy.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

That really doesn't matter when the items have absolutely no large effect on your gameplay. Most of the stuff from the cash shop are exclusive and the past event items are rather easy to get at the time they were free. The dyes are just luck-dependent.

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That's incorrect, exclusives affect everybody playing the game. If Odin's mount was added to the game every player would have access to it by playing, by adding it to the cash shop you're limiting it to those willing to pay extra for it.

I think old event items are fine in the cash shop, but not exclusives.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

That's incorrect, exclusives affect everybody playing the game. If Odin's mount was added to the game every player would have access to it by playing, by adding it to the cash shop you're limiting it to those willing to pay extra for it.

I think old event items are fine in the cash shop, but not exclusives.

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I have to agree hardly anyone does both version of Odin, if the mount was the reward you would see flocks of people there everyday.

Also I buy things from mogstation from time to time so I am not against it. I just think it should go Event>Past event npc(nothing was on this npc from 2015 halloween)>mogstation. Making new players miss out on so many things is not right.

It does effect gameplay. Mmos are not just gear and stats many pretend that's the case but when glamour items cost millions on the mb and people spend real money for things, glamour plays a huge role. It's all about collection. The new weapon, latest armour, hardest reward items. The cash shop just gives instant gratification instead. It taps into that collection aspect that draws people to Mmos and if that wasn't true the cash shop wouldn't be popular, would it.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I think old event items are fine in the cash shop, but not exclusives.

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Except that for a new player, they are one and the same. If you are joining the game now, Lightning gear might as well never have been ingame, it's no different to the chinese dress. That's only different for you who were subbed during that time. For everyone else, it's a cash shop exclusive and thus, affect players in the exact same way - assuming they are affected as you say in the first place, of course.

Consequently, old event items cannot be fine with that stance.

Just pointing that out.

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

It does effect gameplay. Mmos are not just gear and stats many pretend that's the case but when glamour items cost millions on the mb and people spend real money for things, glamour plays a huge role. It's all about collection. The new weapon, latest armour, hardest reward items. The cash shop just gives instant gratification instead. It taps into that collection aspect that draws people to Mmos and if that wasn't true the cash shop wouldn't be popular, would it.

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Now if only there was enough inventory space to actually collect glamours lmao...

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Originally Posted by Shug

Fixed that for ya.

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20/20 you're the MVP here.
FFXV clearly used all the income of XIV :)

To the people that think the CashopShop is a good thing:
You're crying when, us raiders, got exclusive items so do we for the CS items.
Im a student and i can't pay for those items but i would enjoy them.

Why should you have it and not me since we're paying the same sub ?


Put a way to obtain'em in the game and in the CS for the stupid lazy ppl

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

It's instant gratification. Problem is it causes things to just be in the shop rather than the game which is why those people do deserve criticism. Also I'm sick of hearing "I work for my money". It's a video game, you either play it or you don't. Just buying your way through things kinda misses the point of playing, yeah?

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Originally Posted by Orbiaus

It does effect gameplay. Mmos are not just gear and stats many pretend that's the case but when glamour items cost millions on the mb and people spend real money for things, glamour plays a huge role. It's all about collection. The new weapon, latest armour, hardest reward items. The cash shop just gives instant gratification instead. It taps into that collection aspect that draws people to Mmos and if that wasn't true the cash shop wouldn't be popular, would it.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

That's incorrect, exclusives affect everybody playing the game. If Odin's mount was added to the game every player would have access to it by playing, by adding it to the cash shop you're limiting it to those willing to pay extra for it.

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I'm speaking for myself here, and not in any way claiming to speak for the majority but...

If it negatively impacts your gameplay experience so much to see people running around with the "exclusive" Odin mount, or wearing the "exclusive" Chinese dress, or sporting that new "exclusive" Doman barding... The CS sells purely vanity items. They do not sell legitimate content, weapons, or gear. The "gear" in there are level 1 glamour items. The only "weapons" in there are the Lightning Returns Event weapons--which would have no use in real, end-game content other than vanity/glamour. And last time I checked, "A12S Clear" was no where to be seen on the Mogstation.

By this logic, the devs should do away with PvP and Savage-exclusive mounts as well. Not everyone as the skill to do Savage content. Not everyone has the time to do Savage content. Not everyone is willing to do Savage content. Same can be said for PvP. But there's those "exclusives" again you both seem to be speaking so negatively of. For people that were willing to put in the extra effort to obtain them. Not really any different than those willing to pay $24 USD for an account-wide exclusive mount, except one was paid for with game-time and dedication, and the other with money someone earned. And while you may be sick of this "excuse" of "I earned my money," it's not really any different from saying: "I earned my [event minion]!" Both required work (in some shape or form); both were earned. I don't think it's called for to start criticizing people for buying a vanity item. It's not like they bought their way through A12S (which, btw, I have seen people advertising in PF on my server that they will PAY for Savage clears--I think that's far more disturbing that someone buying a virtual dress for their virtual character).

Sure having the Odin mount as a reward for doing the trial would probably promote the content. I won't disagree there. However, I don't think it's some gameplay-breaking thing having it in the CS, and people really shouldn't let it ruin their gaming experience as much as they do. As for the other CS mounts, the two Magitek ones are recolors of the original in-game one, Bennu is a recolor of the Zu mount, and the Fat Moogle Mount is the ugliest thing I have ever seen. They don't affect me negatively at all.

Most of the minions and glamours offered in the CS were from past seasonal events. I don't think there's a minion in the CS that wasn't, at one point, obtainable in game. Others have already touched on this, but the Chinese exclusives (dress, emote, barding) and Korean exclusives had to be purchased with real-life currency in their respective countries. It would be unfair to make the original player-base that these items were designed exclusively for (until others asked for them to be shared with other regions) pay for these items, and then give them out for free to the rest of us. Just like if they gave out the items from the Summer Promotion (maid/butler outfit and OFC mount) for free to another region where as NA and (some) EU subscribers had to jump through hoops to get the items.

I understand what it means to be a collector. I have collected things my entire life. I am a collector of minions with regards to FFXIV, for example. However, I have accepted that there are some I will never obtain due to their "exclusivity" (Cait Sith Doll, Wind-up Bahamut, Wind-up Dalamud, PvP minions like the Wind-up Cheerleader and Fenrir Pup). I am fine with that, and it doesn't negatively impact my gaming experience just because my best friends in-game have the Cait Sith Doll and I don't, or because I see people with the Wind-up Cheerleader that I will never have because PvP doesn't interest me. If people let things like outfits and minions and mounts ruin their gaming experience...I'm sorry, but I think there's a bigger issue there, and it doesn't have anything to do with exclusivity of certain items.

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I think old event items are fine in the cash shop, but not exclusives.

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Someone else already touched on this, so I'm just echoing their post but: to someone who picked up the game today, "old event items" and "exclusives" are synonymous. I started playing this game on November 18, 2015 (when I made my main). I missed the 2015 Halloween Event. Those items were exclusively unobtainable for me due to the time I began this game. Same can be said for the Lightning outfit, the 2015 The Rising Event minions, the 2015 Moonfire Faire event items. They are one and the same.

TL;DR: I think it's silly to let such "exclusivity" of pure vanity items ruin a person's gameplay experience. Don't insult people that want to buy their character a dress from the CS--be more concerned those IN GAME that advertise that they want to BUY CONTENT CLEARS--be with with in-game or real-life currency (I have seen advertisements for both). And past-seasonal events are still considered exclusive to those that weren't playing the game at the time until they are added to the CS to allow those that missed out on getting them for free buy them, if they so wish.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

-Nice post-

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You deserve all my Likes for that post (t-though the Fat Moogle mount is super cute ;_; )

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Originally Posted by Clover_Blake

You deserve all my Likes for that post (t-though the Fat Moogle mount is super cute ;_; )

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Thank you. ^^;; Sorry I am just getting a little frustrated with all the Cash Shop threads (pro- and against it). I have zero issues with the CS as long as it stays a one-stop shop for all things vanity. Now, I would have issues if it became a P2W thing, and started selling actual buffs, or fully melded Ironworks Crafting/Gathering gear, or Savage gear. But, as it is now, I don't understand why people get so upset over it (and I'm speaking from both sides).

It's kind of along the lines of "Why do you care so much about what someone else (who you don't even know) does?" If me buying a dress and a minion completely shatters a person's FFXIV experience, I'm sorry, I just think they have bigger problems in life that have nothing to do with a vanity shop.

I'm sorry about what I said about the Moogle mount. D: I know people love moogles. Just...I don't. X3 Never forget all those Moogle quests to unlock their beast tribe quests.... XD My frustration was showing when I called it ugly. *gives cookie*

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

-very good arguments-

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Lately ,there have been a lot of threads on this "matter" . From my point of view, it's a false problem as long as it's glamour and doesn't sell like you said buffs and items that do impact gameplay. But for real now, you're going to complain that I can obtain some vanity items and give example like you're a student and can only pay a sub? That situation was relatable for me maybe 12 years ago, but even then there were some items in cash shops in other games I played.

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Originally Posted by Watachy

Im a student and i can't pay for those items but i would enjoy them.

Why should you have it and not me since we're paying the same sub ?

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Agreed. I would like all millionaires to please scuttle their yachts because I cannot afford a yacht but I would really like to have one. I work and pay taxes just like they do but I can't have a yacht so no one can have a yacht.

I don't like it when people beg for items to be in the CS right away but this argument struck me as whiny.

I think a lot of people like the cash shop, because they have a great sense of loyalty to the developers. The developers have made it clear on a few occasions that their budget is low, and people will naturally think that putting more money into the game = higher budget. Whether this is true or not, I have no idea (as in higher cash shop specifically = higher budget).

Whether that higher budget is used to create a larger and better game is also yet to be seen. Stormblood has 3x the budget, I've heard, so we may find out soon enough what a higher budget means.

From my perspective, we haven't really got more stuff since the cash shop's arrival. We've gone down from 3 to 2 dungeons per patch, and got a few other things in its stead (potd, diadem, lov, feast etc.).

I've played many MMOs over the years that have started off with and without cash shops, seen the same arguments and insults being flung back and forth (x is lazy for wanting to pay/ x is jealous that they're too poor to buy y) and I've seen the slippery slopes of cosmetic only cash shops start working in "harmless" in-game things such as potions and teleport scrolls. Most of these go on to become the typical gamebreaking cash shops that sell gear protects, statted costumes, special gear enchantments, and so on. Granted, most of the time these were f2p games or games that started off p2p and gradually went f2p. This led to alot of players quitting and those who initially defended and flung insults in the name of the cash shop crying because they had barely anyone to play with. Granted, I don't think FFXIV will ever go f2p as SE has shown their devotion to the subscription model through FFXI but a good deal of people that play this game play it because they believe that in paying up front they should be able to access everything the game offers without being forced to pay more for it. Sure, these glamour items don't really impact my gameplay and I personally haven't bought anything from the cash shop as none of it interests me and my in-game glamours are fine as is. But the point of a p2p model is that you pay up front so you aren't forced to keep paying microtransactions for various things. I'm fine with there being cash shop shortcuts to glamours as long as they're available in-game as well (exceptions being the korean/chinese outfits that those players also had to pay for) but the notion of exclusivity and being forced to pay more on top of what we already pay to avoid said paid exclusivity starts looking alot more like the f2p microtransactions people despise.

Tl;dr A cash shop shortcut for those who don't want to work for it is fine to supplement income, exclusivity unless special cases (korean/chinese outfits) is not.

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Originally Posted by LiaShan

You people still don't understand.

Yesterday, I played COD13, it's a game that costs few HUNDRED MILLIONS to make,
& I completed it in ONE day,
if you want to continue playing that game, IW needs to put even more money for new contents.

Instant gratification cost game company arms & legs,

Do you remember how many new weapons & armors you've got while leveling?
and the cutscenes, voices, CGs, new dungeons, fancy outfits, new gears every 3 months, new graphic engine, countless DoL changes.
you like them yes? but do you know they cost a lot?

That's why you see cash shop & DLCs in these games

If you don't like cash shop, then contents need to have longevity,
that means the game will be something like FFXI/FFXIV1.2x/EQ, do you like these games? No?
If you like the current state of the game, then cash shop must exist

I am ok with both LOL

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It's you who doesn't understand. We pay something called a subscription fee to play this game. It's this thing where you pay money to the developer every month to continue to play, and in exchange they develop new content to keep you playing. We are already paying for further development, including new outfits. The problem here seems to be that you don't understand what money is.