SE please expand upon the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Ok these stopped being funny ages ago. Can we go back to complaining about how the game is dying again?

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Make the game great again !

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

I would think it would be the other way around. That people would be upset about cash shop exclusive items rather than items already in game being added to the cash shop. People who don't want to pay can still get them for free and those of us who have better things to do than farm trials for hours can get them as well while providing extra cash flow for SE. It's win win for everyone. If they added items to the cash shop that are no longer obtainable in game it just takes away from that items exclusive value. What I'm asking for doesn't do that.

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There's people who complain about Relic steps being nerfed, but not completely gone. I can't begin to imagine the uproar if you can completely bypass the process and just pay up for the mounts.

(Granted, mounts are just aesthetics... Though at the point where they got nerfed, the Relics weren't much better.)

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

I would think it would be the other way around. That people would be upset about cash shop exclusive items rather than items already in game being added to the cash shop. People who don't want to pay can still get them for free and those of us who have better things to do than farm trials for hours can get them as well while providing extra cash flow for SE. It's win win for everyone. If they added items to the cash shop that are no longer obtainable in game it just takes away from that items exclusive value. What I'm asking for doesn't do that.

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So in other words, a FTP setup? Basically, stick the item in the game with a heavy enough grind that it's literally not even worth it to play the game for it considering it's right there on the cash shop available for everyone? I'm paying a monthly subscription so that I (hopefully) don't have to worry about being treated like that...

If you want the ponies, just go fight the primals for them. They die pretty quick. Take some friends for quicker queues or go in with a partial party or something. It should be fairly easy. Nobody wants to be pushed onto the cash shop by a horrific grind, that's why many of us pay the sub rather than seeking out a free game.

I'll say this; I don't have anything against the cash shop as a way to buy completely optional little extras. The prices of the latest CS exclusive items are getting a little high for me to validate buying impulsively, that's a bit concerning but it's there and it's optional. If we start seeing hard to get items that players were meant to put effort and time into obtaining, thrown up on the cash shop simultaneously so that the item's in-game value lessens because those players now have a choice between effort/gameplay and money... I think that will start to effect my enjoyment of the game.

Sakuraluna you basically contradicted yourself. It's not a FTP setup because there is a sub and there isn't a hugely massive grind wall for the mounts either as so many people including yourself have already pointed out. People could just get the mounts quicker while providing extra money to SE to improve the game with. It doesn't really effect players like you in any way. No one is asking for in game drop rates to be decreased in conjunction with the mounts being added to the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Sakuraluna you basically contradicted yourself. It's not a FTP setup because there is a sub and there isn't a hugely massive grind wall for the mounts either as so many people including yourself have already pointed out. People could just get the mounts quicker while providing extra money to SE to improve the game with. It doesn't really effect players like you in any way. No one is asking for in game drop rates to be decreased in conjunction with the mounts being added to the cash shop.

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I'm not contradicting myself. The ponies wouldn't be a supergrind, but do you honestly think that they would stop at ponies if given the go-ahead for this kind of player-manipulation. As I pointed out in my last post, they didn't stop at $5 per outfit set. It wouldn't be any different if they start offering items simultaneously in-game and on cash shop. It would slowly evolve into something along the lines of what I described.

Also, I highly doubt SE are using all that extra money to improve this game with. XIV gets a budget, and the only reason that's apparently gone up so much since heavensward is because development of ffxv is wrapping up. Most of what this game makes gets funneled into other projects within SE, including what the cash shop brings in.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Please add the extreme primal mounts to the cash shop. It doesn't even have to be right away, maybe add them after the first nerf when they are no longer relevant. Just please give us another option besides farming 99 runs.

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No.

Square Enix, please disregard this request.

I'm no sure if you are serious in this request, but I am sick and tired of people making topics demanding that this, that or the other in-game item be put in the shop. I am very strongly of the opinion that items that appear in game, even if for just a limited time, should *never* be added to the cash shop, and further more that the items in the cash shop are a) limited in number, and b) do not affect gameplay in any material way.

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

Also, I highly doubt SE are using all that extra money to improve this game with. XIV gets a budget, and the only reason that's apparently gone up so much since heavensward is because development of ffxv is wrapping up. Most of what this game makes gets funneled into other projects within SE, including what the cash shop brings in.

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Unless you have something besides supposition to show this is the case, you should really stop claiming it as fact. I think it is also fair to point out that SE develops (spends money on) many more things than FFXV and FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Sakuraluna you basically contradicted yourself. It's not a FTP setup because there is a sub and there isn't a hugely massive grind wall for the mounts either as so many people including yourself have already pointed out. People could just get the mounts quicker while providing extra money to SE to improve the game with. It doesn't really effect players like you in any way. No one is asking for in game drop rates to be decreased in conjunction with the mounts being added to the cash shop.

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You dont seem to get it. Let me break it down.

They wouldnt be lowering the drop rate on the ponies, no. Those are set and would stay the same. However once the ponies are added to the mogstation, if they actually sell, that opens the door for ALL future primal mounts to be added to the mog station. Primal mounts who'se drop rate hasnt even been decided yet.

Now.. when square enix designs the content, they'll have the ponies in mind. They'll know that they shoved them in the cash shop, and people bought them. But the drop rates were good, so not enough people bought them. So they'll need to use what they learned with the ponies, to ensure that future primal mounts get purchased from the mog station more often. And the best way to push people into buying them on the mogstation, is to make it really hard to get in game.

I mean hell, look at you... The ponies are super duper easy to get and take little time, but you're too lazy to put in the work. Imagine if they released new primal mounts that took months or a year of grinding to get. That'd push even more people to purchase them rather then spend the time grinding them. And you can bet, that's what they'll do.

The people are against this because it sets a precedent. It opens the door for them to make things in the future harder to get in game, so that people will spend the money on them rather than grind it out in game. It's the exact same thing free to play games do that offer things in their cash shop that you can get in game.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

It's not a FTP setup because there is a sub and there isn't a hugely massive grind wall for the mounts either as so many people including yourself have already pointed out. People could just get the mounts quicker while providing extra money to SE to improve the game with.

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This statement just tires me. They make more money than all of us combined in a day so they aren't scrounging for cash.
You give them an inch, they'll take miles...MILES and they are already starting to do it.
It's laziness and instant gratification is all I'm seeing here.
Next ALL mounts and lots of other stuff will be in CS too.
Please no. The things are already in the game, just make a PT and try your best to get them.
Things do not ALWWWWAAAAYYYYS need to being thought of because a wallets out and ready.
I'm tryna find out if this is a joke with the amount of topics of "Please let this be in CS" lately.
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Originally Posted by Cinno

You dont seem to get it. Let me break it down.

They wouldnt be lowering the drop rate on the ponies, no. Those are set and would stay the same. However once the ponies are added to the mogstation, if they actually sell, that opens the door for ALL future primal mounts to be added to the mog station. Primal mounts who'se drop rate hasnt even been decided yet.

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If they are added to the store, the drop rate is entirely academic. Next to no one will run old EX trials for ponies if they can get them on the MogStation

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Ok these stopped being funny ages ago. Can we go back to complaining about how the game is dying again?

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What about how horizontal progression will save us all? Can we talk about that again? :D

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Sakuraluna you basically contradicted yourself. It's not a FTP setup because there is a sub and there isn't a hugely massive grind wall for the mounts either as so many people including yourself have already pointed out. People could just get the mounts quicker while providing extra money to SE to improve the game with. It doesn't really effect players like you in any way. No one is asking for in game drop rates to be decreased in conjunction with the mounts being added to the cash shop.

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No, she didn't. Nonetheless, primal mounts exist to motivate people into consistently doing old content. If they put them on the cash shop, what reason have I to run Sophia EX anymore since I have my weapons from her? Simply put, if you can't be arsed enough to grind, then those rewards aren't meant for you.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

What about how horizontal progression will save us all? Can we talk about that again? :D

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But it will. Sufficient horizontal progression will make vertical progression slow, increasing the longevity of the game...




After all, eating 40 donuts a day to help horizontal progression surely makes stair climbing a real struggle... ;)

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

No, she didn't. Nonetheless, primal mounts exist to motivate people into consistently doing old content. If they put them on the cash shop, what reason have I to run Sophia EX anymore since I have my weapons from her? Simply put, if you can't be arsed enough to grind, then those rewards aren't meant for you.

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In their first paragraph they implied that adding things to the cash shop would automatically mean they get stuck behind a massive grind wall, which isn't the case. Then in their very next paragraph they said how it's basically pointless to put the mounts in the CS because of how easy they are to get. Sounds contradictory to me but whatever. If people are really worried about no one wanting to run tired old content anymore because the rewards are in the CS doesn't that just mean people are bored with the content and don't want to sit through it for however long it takes for their mount? Farming the same thing hundreds of times isn't fun for a lot of people. Anyway ponies are purely cosmetic. Nothing game impacting.

Since we're at it, SE, please add a 100U$ permanent fantasia that allow us to change for a life time and never bother to buy fantasias ever again.

Yes? No? Please look forward.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Unless you have something besides supposition to show this is the case, you should really stop claiming it as fact. I think it is also fair to point out that SE develops (spends money on) many more things than FFXV and FFXIV.

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What about the fact that during the keynote stream, Yoshi made it a big deal about how for the first time they will be reinvesting profits back into the game and upgrading the servers. You know, kind of proving the point that any excess money they make is just funneled out to Squares other ventures. FFXIV's budget is FFXIV's budget.

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Originally Posted by Daranion

What about the fact that during the keynote stream, Yoshi made it a big deal about how for the first time they will be reinvesting profits back into the game and upgrading the servers. You know, kind of proving the point that any excess money they make is just funneled out to Squares other ventures. FFXIV's budget is FFXIV's budget.

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I didn't say that they do not use the profits on other games. I was responding to this;

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the only reason that's apparently gone up so much since heavensward is because development of ffxv is wrapping up.

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...and specifically mentioned in my response that SE spends it's money on many things other than FFXV.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

In their first paragraph they implied that adding things to the cash shop would automatically mean they get stuck behind a massive grind wall, which isn't the case. Then in their very next paragraph they said how it's basically pointless to put the mounts in the CS because of how easy they are to get. Sounds contradictory to me but whatever. If people are really worried about no one wanting to run tired old content anymore because the rewards are in the CS doesn't that just mean people are bored with the content and don't want to sit through it for however long it takes for their mount? Farming the same thing hundreds of times isn't fun for a lot of people. Anyway ponies are purely cosmetic. Nothing game impacting.

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Nothing game impacting? Maybe you should reflect on why they're not just handed out to literally everyone. Or perhaps why they were so RNG based.

I'm not arguing how big of a deal it would be overall, but rather that there's a reason for these things to be this way. Failing to understand or accept that reason automatically devalues your input or opinion on the given matter.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I didn't say that they do not use the profits on other games. I was responding to this;

...and specifically mentioned in my response that SE spends it's money on many things other than FFXV.

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Ok... I can hand it to you that XV isn't the only thing they've been budgeting money toward, but my point still stands that SE are finishing up projects and re-evaluating budgets for the time being, and that's the reason xiv's budget is going up; it isn't because the game is getting all this additional support through the cash shop.

I mean, I get the impression you're arguing my phrasing rather than my point.

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I'm all for spending real money for mounts, to a point, and minions. I think anything over 10, if it isn't glamoured to all hell is not worth it.

I mean I don't know how much cash I blew through when I played wow trying to get the Swift Spectral tiger, took me years to finally get it, and I probably would have saved just buying it outright from eBay.

With that being said, 99 runs takes literally a few days with dedicated people. I don't want to see any of the primal mounts on the cash shop, solely because I farmed 99 totems for them, and it would feel like a slap in the face. Even with Sophia choosing to give me a bird on my 98th kill >.>

You know one thing I would pay for? A transfer to a server that doesn't allow any players that make cash shop purchases. Stick all the cash shop players in their own little hell where they all have exactly the same cash shop items and NONE of them can feel special for lauding their real-world wealth over other players.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

You know one thing I would pay for? A transfer to a server that doesn't allow any players that make cash shop purchases. Stick all the cash shop players in their own little hell where they all have exactly the same cash shop items and NONE of them can feel special for lauding their real-world wealth over other players.

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I'd pay in the cash shop for that to happen AND THEN pay my transfer fee to goto that server.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

You know one thing I would pay for? A transfer to a server that doesn't allow any players that make cash shop purchases. Stick all the cash shop players in their own little hell where they all have exactly the same cash shop items and NONE of them can feel special for lauding their real-world wealth over other players.

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[Dev Request] Please add a potion in the cash shop that removes all glamour on other people so they don't look the same as me

With the new expansion, they should just lock the MSQ behind a paygate, add the MSQ to the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

With the new expansion, they should just lock the MSQ behind a paygate, add the MSQ to the cash shop.

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I thought they already do that... since you have to buy the update like you had to buy HW. Shxt isn't free it's already locked by paygate. :/

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Originally Posted by Alberel

You know one thing I would pay for? A transfer to a server that doesn't allow any players that make cash shop purchases. Stick all the cash shop players in their own little hell where they all have exactly the same cash shop items and NONE of them can feel special for lauding their real-world wealth over other players.

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Why? I'm seriously asking cause it sounds like jealousy. OR pure hate I dunno. I want to understand the logic behind your comment.

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Originally Posted by cammi

Why? I'm seriously asking cause it sounds like jealousy. OR pure hate I dunno. I want to understand the logic behind your comment.

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It IS jealousy. Poor little Lala thinks people are buying the Mogstation items to show off or something.

But that's simply not true. We buy them to wear them for a week and then go back to other stuff.

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Originally Posted by Kamui_Argent

Yes. I'd be so into this. But SE will never do it since they won't make money from this.

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You've hit the nail on the head

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Originally Posted by Laerad3993

With that being said, 99 runs takes literally a few days with dedicated people. I don't want to see any of the primal mounts on the cash shop, solely because I farmed 99 totems for them, and it would feel like a slap in the face. Even with Sophia choosing to give me a bird on my 98th kill >.>

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Yeah, that wouldn't happen to me, if I get to 70-80 totems without a bird, I just say "Sod it, I'm gonna let others get their rolls and I'll just pay for mine with totems." - if I was the last person needing the mount by that point I'd just join a different group.

Every update should cost 5 bucks, no more free updates please

Looks to me like he’s basically whinging over not being able to unsync Ravana, Bismark, Sephirot, Thordan and Sophia so he can do minimal work to get a mount.

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Originally Posted by BARDS_ARROW

Looks to me like he’s basically whinging over not being able to unsync Ravana, Bismark, Sephirot, Thordan and Sophia so he can do minimal work to get a mount.

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I'm not whining or demanding anything. I made a simple request of the devs that I don't expect them to actually implement but rather to at least consider. It seems most of the replies to this thread are just trying to demonize my request or over exaggerate it to make it sound horrible rather than offer polite and constructive feedback.
I'd still like to see this added to the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

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You're getting that kindof replies because something like the primal mounts being put in the cash shop is kindof stepping over a line. Since it's started the only way to get those mounts was that insane grind, putting those in the shop will piss everyone doing them off. I like the cash shop and will defend it when I feel the need too. But I don't think putting primal mounts in the cash shop is a good move. Mainly cause it was in the grind game first and for the longest. It just wouldn't be fair to everyone who farms those. Now if they were put in both the store and in game at the same time thats a different story. But they were not. THat is why people are extremely hostile, I don't think they NEED to be.. but I can see why.

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Originally Posted by cammi

Why? I'm seriously asking cause it sounds like jealousy. OR pure hate I dunno. I want to understand the logic behind your comment.

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I see cash shops as essentially cheating. You buy the game and then you pay more money to skip the gameplay and just have things that should have been rewards from playing said game. It's not jealousy. It's closer to looking at successful criminal gangs that have a lot of wealth. I look at players that buy stuff in the cash shop and I just see lazy players that would rather pay money to cheat and get ahead than actually play the game. If they want to do that, fine, but I'd rather they were all locked to their own server so I can play with people that actually played the game to get stuff.

Even if you weren’t whinging, you should have expected replies like these; more so considering that the community is divided the majority of the time on whether they like the cash shop or not in the first place.

A humble suggestion would be – for your own sake when posting topics such as this in the future – is to add [suggestion] or [request] in the topic title because as it stands “SE please expand upon the cash shop” is a little iffy at best.

There are extremely lazy people in this game who believe that they can buy their way to the top, so seeing the 99 token line – which is currently for Heavensward primal birds – is a bit of a slap in the face to those that have spent time and effort into grinding for them.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

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That would be a fine view... if any of the costumes here got you ahead. But they don't so I don't see that reasoning as valid as we currently stand now with SE. I mean the dresses and costumes there are just skins, so people having them shouldn't be giving you those vibes. If I'm on the wrong track let me know, the last thing I want to do is be on a completely different page and confuse or send wrong signals.

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Originally Posted by BARDS_ARROW

A humble suggestion would be – for your own sake when posting topics such as this in the future – is to add [suggestion] or [request] in the topic title because as it stands “SE please expand upon the cash shop” is a little iffy at best.

There are extremely lazy people in this game who believe that they can buy their way to the top, so seeing the 99 token line – which is currently for Heavensward primal birds – is a bit of a slap in the face to those that have spent time and effort into grinding for them.

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I do apologize and thank you. I'll remember that in future. I have to admit I assumed using the word please in my title already conveyed a request well enough but I suppose I do need to be a great deal more specific, giving some of the reactions in this thread.

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Originally Posted by cammi

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I guess I can understand that line of reasoning. I do slightly disagree with it for the following reason though. People already get upset when trials are nerfed (which they are inevitably always nerfed) and feel that it's a slap in the face because now the challenge is gone and anyone can get the mount. Not just the people willing to bang their heads into a wall learning the fight in addition to putting in insane hours farming it if RNG is bad. So if they will inevitably have to deal with the fact trials will be nerfed and anyone can get the mount I feel they should be able to accept this eventually as well. In my humble opinion of course.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

I guess I can understand that line of reasoning. I do slightly disagree with it for the following reason though. People already get upset when trials are nerfed (which they are inevitably always nerfed) and feel that it's a slap in the face because now the challenge is gone and anyone can get the mount. Not just the people willing to bang their heads into a wall learning the fight in addition to putting in insane hours clearing it. So if they will inevitably have to deal with the fact trials will be nerfed and anyone can get the mount I feel they should be able to accept this eventually as well. In my humble opinion of course.

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I get you, but noone would accept that seeing as they aren't buyable now and wasn't buyable at the same time they were grindable. Putting them in there now is unfair, and that'll never go well. :c

Dear Square Enix,

Plz nerf Cash Shop.

♥ Kiko

sorry, all out of troll feed, lets move along.

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

I'm not whining or demanding anything. I made a simple request of the devs that I don't expect them to actually implement but rather to at least consider. It seems most of the replies to this thread are just trying to demonize my request or over exaggerate it to make it sound horrible rather than offer polite and constructive feedback.
I'd still like to see this added to the cash shop.

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Well don't you worry, they won't ever do it, it is a bit unresonable to ask for everything to be added to cash shop because of pure lazy, that IS why we have it now to begin with. I'm sorry, i know you are trying but this is a little lesson that not everything can just be bought out. they already do have exclusive mounts in cash shop, and of course, people aren't even happy with those, Have to throw the primal mounts in there as well. I mean do you realize what you are asking.