Rage over Sophia

This fight is not as bad as thordan was i would say.
But do not quit, it is a totally optional fight, just keep at it

To the OP: If you're having trouble surviving the tank buster, here's a few tips that might help:
- Make sure your off-tank knows they're supposed to provoke during the green glow charge-up. If you survive the tank buster, but still have hate afterwards, the follow-up auto-attack will probably kill you. (Sophia's auto-attacks are thunder-elemental, and the tank buster puts a huge thunder weakness debuff on you.)
- When the green glow starts STOP ALL ACTIONS except for putting on a defensive cooldown. When your off-tank provokes, it is VERY easy for you to steal hate back by accident if you continue to attack. It may be wise to even stop auto-attacking until your off-tank has a firm lead on hate.
- Make sure your healers have you at full or near-full HP before each tank buster. If they don't, and you're using your cooldowns properly, your death is probably on them. Shields like Stoneskin or Galvanize are nice, too, but if your healers aren't expecting the tank buster (most likely because they're new to the fight and haven't gotten the pattern down yet), they may not have time to put one on you.

And yes, it's safe to say that Sophia is one of the easier Ex Primals. Most Extreme fights, mechanics will kill you outright if you mess them up - and in many cases, even a single death will result in a party wipe. Sophia is much more lenient; most screw-ups simply deal a bit of damage and apply a vulnerability debuff. Certainly if you screw up too many times and have several stacks of vulnerability on you then you'll become very likely to die to other attacks - but even then, a raise will have you back in action (and without all the vulnerability!).

Extreme trials are a significant step up in difficulty from the content in the game you may be used to. Party cooperation becomes so much more important; everyone needs to know what they are doing, and mistakes are punished FAR more severely. By the same token, Extreme trials are the point at which the game actually becomes CHALLENGING. Most previous content you could do while half asleep. You need to be wide awake for this stuff!

Just some quick things:

1. Don't need 2 CDs for 1 TB, just 1 (Shadowskin or Shadow Wall). Try and plan your Living Dead for a TB when your other CDs aren't up. DRK is unfortunately not the best for Sophia EX busters since they're physical and iirc her autos are magical (so no Reprisal). However this doesn't mean you need to stack CDs, 20% and 30% reduction are both more than enough to survive especially if you've got Grit on.

2. Sophia EX is easy for an EX primal, however it is a big jump in difficulty from dungeon bosses or the primal's own HM version. EX primals and raid bosses are all about memorizing the rotation of the boss (usually split into phases, sometimes not). There's only 2 true random things in Sophia EX, as an example, and that's whether she'll do T2 or T3 at certain points and the tilt (which side/short or long) - however these are easy to react to if you know how they work.

3. Plunge is pretty good for the knockbacks/tilts(?). Try and make sure it's up when those happen.

Bonus thing:

?. If you're willing to run Sophia 10 times then I'd recommend just going PLD as it makes the fight braindead. Tempered Will works on the tilts and the head knockback, you can also Cover someone to have them avoid it as well. Sheltron works on the TB so you can actually pair it with CDs for more mitigation at 0 cost. Divine Veil is strong for the AOEs and the ultimate ability for 2x WHM groups (or a lot of vuln up stacks/weakness). Hallowed is better than LD since you don't need to strain your healers or force them to save a Bene.

The tank buster damage is physical, so it's easier for Paladin (sheltron) or Warrior (foresight, inner beast) to mitigate. I usually tank it on warrior and I only need one cooldown + Equilibrium to survive as long as my tank partner picks her up promptly.

It's actually the easiest primal we've gotten since Ravana. The tilts are pretty easy: always run toward the side with the most tethers. If tethers are an equal amount run away from the side with a blue meteor. If number of tethers is even, run to the edge. If tethers are odd, run to the way mark. And don't move for the overlapping circles, dps is always supposed to go to tank/healer unless otherwise stated.

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Originally Posted by gastovski

Hey, new player here. Why people play extreme primals, what to gain and how affects endgame play?.

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Like Lunar said. you can get ilv255 weps, which is the best you can get at the moment, outside of doing Alexander savage. If you can get some farm parties, you can get ilv255 wep for all jobs, in a day or few; compared to it taking 7 weeks to get Alexandrian Gears, to buy micro-tome to buy ilv 260 shire weapon (or you can get micro-tomes from A10S. you can also get upgrade material from A10S to make Shire wep->ilv270. outside of Savage, you can't make 270 wep, yet)
But at the moment, sophia weapon is basically a requirement for starting savage content (at least for DPS jobs)

Today I had a dragoon tank Sophia ... both tanks misread the number of tethers ('-');

And we still beat it.

Okay, if you all are trying to help my state of mind while trying to get my Sophic Edge by telling me how pathetically easy all of this is, despite the fact that I've been DESTROYED over and over and over again...

YOU FAILED. :(

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Okay, if you all are trying to help my state of mind while trying to get my Sophic Edge by telling me how pathetically easy all of this is, despite the fact that I've been DESTROYED over and over and over again...

YOU FAILED. :(

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We all went through Practise for Sophia Extreme. Nobody of us did clear this on the first Try. Heck it took me an entire Week til I got 75% of all Mechanics.
The only Mechanic that still annoys me is the Single Thunder II Tether with Quasar Placement but I get the hang out of it.

Keep trying, the more you fail at Mechanics, the more you will understand them and this is a Way of Improving, hence how do you think People would progress through Alexander Savage these Days, not by snipping their Fingers ^^

Sophia is less "Punishing" then Sephirot is, in Sephirot you Instant Die if someone fails at Mechanic.
Sophia just punishes you for doing a lot of mistakes, the Tankbuster needs to be Mitigated and provoked directly, otherwise the Tank eats the Ground.

If you keep failing on the Tankbuster, than you need to adjust to that and use Defensive Cooldowns (Tankbuster is Physical).
Judging by your Gear, you're completely suited for Sophia Ex and the Failure comes from your Side not using Cooldowns, as harsh as it sounds.

Take that as an Advice, not as a Ranting Post about you.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Wow, this boss got me in a bad head space. I just need a space to rant and rave and carry on, keeping profanity and caps lock usage to a minimum, so...here we go.

What kind of sadist in Square Enix came up with this?! This is the most god awfully hard boss encounter I have ever seen! Tank busters DESTROY you instantly, though, a polite mentor instructed me that I have to pop TWO CDs just to survive it....insanity... I mean, I have no idea what was wrong with me tonight but I couldn't even acquire threat on the demiurges OR SOPHIA when said helpful mentor tried to get me to try my hand at main tanking. Somewhere along the line I forgot how to do this? I've been tanking since Burning Crusade! This should be second nature by now! WHAT HAS THIS BOSS DONE TO ME!?

I remember when I used to play this game for fun. Now it feels like a form of some kind of punishment that they inflict on people down in Guantanamo bay. "You'll tell us where your base is, or we'll stick you in another Sophia Ex group, worm!" I'd gladly swap over to do something, anything else, but that Sophic Blade for DRK looks REALLY cool, and I see people running around all the time with Sophic weapons, so I assume it must be SOMEHOW possible. And everytime I see this, it fills me with a jealous rage. Are there FCs that relax by punching out cthulu and looting his corpse, or am I just having seriously bad luck with the raid finder?

And no... I don't think I need assistance with understanding the overall fight. I know what I'm SUPPOSED to do with Thunders and Aeros, the clones, the add phase... the scale tipping part I'm a little fuzzy on... and the stacking light and dark circles is simple enough. I even understand the tank buster phase, but for some reason, it just won't click. I'm up to my 9th wipe and third group attempting this. So, if you must post on my live journal whining... please help my state of mind about this. Post something funny or ragey.

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I am fairly certain Sophia EX is regarded as one of the easiest EX primals to date. My team has never downed one and had it on farm so fast.

That said, I am not a huge fan of the fight overall. It's middle of the pack for how interesting it is to me.

Also, what Mwynn said,

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

If you keep failing on the Tankbuster, than you need to adjust to that and use Defensive Cooldowns (Tankbuster is Physical).

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Pondera, maybe watch a few more guides. I am not sure you understand the overall fight. No harm in not knowing everything, no one does. Just go take a look at a few different guides (not just from 1 person as sometimes they miss something), and see. I think Xeno's are often from the PoV of the Main Tank so that may be the most helpful.

Sophia is not the easiest. To me Sephirot is the easiest.

The problem is the other 7 people in your party. And also how much information you have on the fight.
Watch/read the guide for the fight like 10 times so that you know what's coming next.

Reason you might be dying to tank buster that no one here will tell you?

Vulnerability stacks (you get these by standing on any lightning aoes like thunder II or III, or getting hit by the faces she summons in phase 3).
There, I gave you the magic information that no one here will bother to give you. Instead they will condescend you.

Another tip about tank buster is that it will always hit the main tank even if off tank provokes her. After she hits MT with it she turns to OT. This was really confusing to me for like 10 tries.

Ex trials aren't meant to be easy, they're at least easier than savage raids, but definitely is not something you should expect to clear in 1-2 hours with random DF people. Sophia ex may be considered easy, if you compare them to other ex trials in the past (when they were new). Mechanically it's not the easiest but it's a lot more forgiving to mistakes and low dps.

Some people take days, even weeks to clear ex trials (it took me a month to clear thordan ex back then without a static), I think you're just having wrong expectations since this is your first difficult fight. It's normal to take many hours before you understand all the mechanics and clear it. If you compare sophia to other ex trials in the past, yes it's one of the easiest, but if you never did savage or ex trials before, it is still considerably harder than normal trials, dungeons, mhach raids, and alexander normal mode.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Sophia is not the easiest. To me Sephirot is the easiest.

Another tip about tank buster is that it will always hit the main tank even if off tank provokes her. After she hits MT with it she turns to OT. This was really confusing to me for like 10 tries.

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Mechanically sephirot is simpler than sophia I think, but it's also a lot more punishing to mistakes and deaths. My first sophia ex clear had 16 deaths, every single member in my party died at least once, and we didn't get to enrage. I'm quite sure that's not something you'll see with any other ex trial before this.

As for the tank buster, there are several similar cases, notably perpetual ray in a8s and chastening heat in a12s (both of which also give vuln up to the tank receiving it, thus requiring tank swaps). For this kind of tank busters the co-tank must provoke during the cast.

Just some add-on, the easiest part of this primal makes me can collect all weapon for all job, only about 3 weapons is trade-in with totem (SCH,PLD,MNK). And those all from Raid Finder.

Just move your ass for some practice than whining/yelling others without reason.

*inb4 adding more post count before got deleted*

Just a piece of advice, getting the micro tomestone for a 260 weapon and/or the gobdip for upgrading it to 270 would not be easier than beating sophia ex. If you're not going to put the effort into practicing and clearing sophia ex I don't think you'll last long in savage raids. You can also do normal alexander for 7 weeks to get the micro tomestone easily (though you need to wait 7 weeks).

Without being in your party it's impossible to say what is going wrong. So unless you want to transfer servers to Pheonix and I'll run your through myself there isn't much else I can say.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Just a piece of advice, getting the micro tomestone for a 260 weapon and/or the gobdip for upgrading it to 270 would not be easier than beating sophia ex. If you're not going to put the effort into practicing and clearing sophia ex I don't think you'll last long in savage raids. You can also do normal alexander for 7 weeks to get the micro tomestone easily (though you need to wait 7 weeks).

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This is true, that said, you can get the micro tomestone via A12N after 7 weeks - we're on what, week 5? I stopped counting. The 270 upgrade item will probably be made available in easier methods at some point in 3.5.

And the troll is fed.

Sophia HM is my worst primal, worse than Leviathan, because the floor tilting gives me vertigo. It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Noutaja

And the troll is fed.

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If anything, you guys are the ones trolling. I made it perfectly clear in my opening post. I don't need help specifically with Sophia Ex. I'm usually the last one alive now in my attempts. All I asked for something to make me laugh or perk my mood up enough to keep trying. Instead, you all just heaped on me, claiming that I was a child and going out of your way to say how easy the trial was and how all of them and theirs cleared it. How EXACTLY did you expect me to react?

So yeah, I think I'm done here. Any SE mod out there? Please lock this thread. I've seen all of the community's attitude that I need to today.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

All I asked for something to make me laugh or perk my mood up enough to keep trying. Instead, you all just heaped on me, claiming that I was a child and going out of your way to say how easy the trial was and how all of them and theirs cleared it. How EXACTLY did you expect me to react?

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It's not about our Attitude, it's about your Problem not understanding us. We gave you Advice and yet you refuse it and rant about us, the Players giving you Advice.

How about this, if you think you're already good enough for Sophia Ex, why not join a Sophia Ex Clear Group in Party Finder? That atleast would make more sense.

... If People fail in that Clear Group and you have done everything correct during that Attempt, you rather should be Proud of yourself that you made it that far and didn't ended up like these Players trying to get carried.

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

It's not about our Attitude, it's about your Problem not understanding us. We gave you Advice and yet you refuse it and rant about us, the Players giving you Advice.

How about this, if you think you're already good enough for Sophia Ex, why not join a Sophia Ex Clear Group in Party Finder? That atleast would make more sense.

... If People fail in that Clear Group and you have done everything correct during that Attempt, you rather should be Proud of yourself that you made it that far and didn't ended up like these Players trying to get carried.

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I told you that it wasn't needed. I understand the fight. I wanted somethings to make me feel less frustrated. Y'know, a joke or a meme or something. I hear the internet is good at that. Instead, I got another battle to fight here, so that's awesome. If this is you trying to make someone feel better, I'd hate to see it when you're trying to make them mad. Don't think you're just the innocent little bumpkin here and you're up against a psycho. When someone is clearly having problems and people come along telling them how easily they beat the challenge they're stuck on, what's the anticipated reaction? The problem is not with me, but the fact that a good chunk of people posting here at INCAPABLE of listening.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Well it's not like you were doing jack helping me before. I just failed another attempt at this, the group disbanding after a single wipe. So yes, please, continue sitting on your high horse with your shiny 255 weapon, and criticize others who get mad at you while they ARE CLEARLY HAVING PROBLEMS, and all you can do is tell them how easy it all was.

God, I asked for something to help my state of mind! THANKS ALOT!!!!

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Why are you so unfriendly to those who gave you advice? Many posters tried to help you here. But at the end its you who has to learn the fight yourself.

I dont really get what your problem is. Its a current ex fight, you go in and wipe wipe wipe till you get it. Might take hours or days or even weeks.

For me Sophia ex was also the first current ex fight I learned without overgearing it. It gets easier the more often you do it. Just try, wipe, think about why you wiped and how to do better next time, and try again...

Have a cat video OP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bmhjf0rKe8

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Originally Posted by Pondera

If anything, you guys are the ones trolling. I made it perfectly clear in my opening post. I don't need help specifically with Sophia Ex. I'm usually the last one alive now in my attempts. All I asked for something to make me laugh or perk my mood up enough to keep trying. Instead, you all just heaped on me, claiming that I was a child and going out of your way to say how easy the trial was and how all of them and theirs cleared it. How EXACTLY did you expect me to react?

So yeah, I think I'm done here. Any SE mod out there? Please lock this thread. I've seen all of the community's attitude that I need to today.

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I don't necessarily think anyone is trolling. It depends what side of the looking glass you're on. You said this is your first attempt at an EX Primal (upon release at least) so from your perspective, I can understand how the fight would seem incredibly difficult. There is a lot of things that happen, there's a ton of stuff that goes on that needs to be executed. From the perspective of people who have been doing Primals for a long time, though, it is one of the easiest ones upon implementation. Thordan and Sephirot were much worse, Titan was a veritable slaughterhouse when it was released. Plus, a lot of things get re-used in EX Primals so the more that you do them, the better you will get at them as a whole.

Keep at it and after training yourself to do harder end content, you'll be the one telling someone how the new EX primal in 4.4 is the easiest primal released since Sophia EX.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

There's a 260 weapon???? What am I doing struggling against this then? How do I go get that instead?

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if you read all the posts before, you'd see that ppl already said so :)
it takes 7 weeks to get the 260wep. you get weekly loot from A12. and use those gears to buy a micro-tome. or you can get micro-tome from A10S (which is far worse than sophia)
From Sophia, you can get 255 weps for all jobs, in a week or less.
260wep is more for ppl who don't want to or can't clear EX/savage content.

Also if you're looking for sympathy on forum, you're in veeeeery wrong place haha. ppl here are like piranhas who will devour you whole, if you're "bleeding"
if you want sympathy, ask FC/LS/Friends :) this place will only make you feel worse.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

In A11S there is a drop that upgrades your shire weapon to 270

Starting November 1st, the next stage of the relic is coming out - likely to be ilvl 270.

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you can get upgrade material for wep, in A10S.
and i doubt that relic will be 270, this early. it would make shire weps outdated before 99% of ppl could even get it.
but i'll hold on to my tomes until patch notes, just in case -.- if relic is 270, i won't bother buying shire wep.

THANK YOU, Dement and Zigabar. I saw a gif of that surprised kitty, but hadn't found the video yet.

And you are very right, Dement. I've watched videos of extreme trials before, and was always left with a feeling of "O_O oh that is 10 pounds of NOPE in a five pound bag", but I am determined to get this fight done and over with before the next member of the warring triad is released. I just....get a bit frustrated at times. :(

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Don't think you're just the innocent little bumpkin here and you're up against a psycho.

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I see, you have drawn the "Victim" Card here. That's enough to actually say I will stop posting from now on. If I have Insulted you in any way, well, I can't help it.

Nobody has said you're a Psycho but you assume so, so yes, this is definitely you playing the Victim Role and this isn't good at all.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

Wow, this boss got me in a bad head space. I just need a space to rant and rave and carry on, keeping profanity and caps lock usage to a minimum, so...here we go.

What kind of sadist in Square Enix came up with this?! This is the most god awfully hard boss encounter I have ever seen! Tank busters DESTROY you instantly, though, a polite mentor instructed me that I have to pop TWO CDs just to survive it....insanity... I mean, I have no idea what was wrong with me tonight but I couldn't even acquire threat on the demiurges OR SOPHIA when said helpful mentor tried to get me to try my hand at main tanking. Somewhere along the line I forgot how to do this? I've been tanking since Burning Crusade! This should be second nature by now! WHAT HAS THIS BOSS DONE TO ME!?

I remember when I used to play this game for fun. Now it feels like a form of some kind of punishment that they inflict on people down in Guantanamo bay. "You'll tell us where your base is, or we'll stick you in another Sophia Ex group, worm!" I'd gladly swap over to do something, anything else, but that Sophic Blade for DRK looks REALLY cool, and I see people running around all the time with Sophic weapons, so I assume it must be SOMEHOW possible. And everytime I see this, it fills me with a jealous rage. Are there FCs that relax by punching out cthulu and looting his corpse, or am I just having seriously bad luck with the raid finder?

And no... I don't think I need assistance with understanding the overall fight. I know what I'm SUPPOSED to do with Thunders and Aeros, the clones, the add phase... the scale tipping part I'm a little fuzzy on... and the stacking light and dark circles is simple enough. I even understand the tank buster phase, but for some reason, it just won't click. I'm up to my 9th wipe and third group attempting this. So, if you must post on my live journal whining... please help my state of mind about this. Post something funny or ragey.

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To be honest Sophia EX is really a very easy Primal. If you die to the tankbuster you fail your defensive cooldown or your OT doesn't tankswap in time. And for all the rest that you don't understand you should watch a guide that explains it properly.

Guides:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eTquG4kXEs from MR Happy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLbcy7OXHjk from mizzteq

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Originally Posted by Mwynn

I see, you have drawn the "Victim" Card here. That's enough to actually say I will stop posting from now on. If I have Insulted you in any way, well, I can't help it.

Nobody has said you're a Psycho but you assume so, so yes, this is definitely you playing the Victim Role and this isn't good at all.

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This post made me roll my eyes until I'm blind. There an alchemist around with some eye drops? Having serious accuracy problems over here.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Its 6kish (DoM) - 8kish DoW before stacks. DPS and Healers usually have around 17-20k HP. DoM survive pretty easily since it take only 1-2k healing for them to survive. DoWs like Drg/Mnk need only an Indom to survive (or a Divine seals + medica or a Medica + SCH/SMN Virus.) Everyone by the end of it, will have very low health, but AOEs are very easy to deal with in the amount of time they give you. :O

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With ilv235 I had barely 15K HP, DPS had 16K. With vulnerability stacks the damage goes up to nearly 9K-hit, not saying anything about weaknesses. So yeah, you're wrong. Also learning parties are NOT farm parties where you can let everyone get to low health because they probably know how to handle the next mechanic: you're running against time to get them to near full so they won't die to the next Thunder III.

In my opinion Sophia is not that easy. It is easier than Thordan, but I'd learn Sephirot or Ravana any day over learning Sophia.

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THANK YOU, Dement and Zigabar. I saw a gif of that surprised kitty, but hadn't found the video yet.

And you are very right, Dement. I've watched videos of extreme trials before, and was always left with a feeling of "O_O oh that is 10 pounds of NOPE in a five pound bag", but I am determined to get this fight done and over with before the next member of the warring triad is released. I just....get a bit frustrated at times. :(

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Extremes can get very frustrating at times, Savage can be even worse. However, if you ever want to do endgame, you're going to have to dive in somewhere and this is probably the best place to in a long time since Sophia EX is so forgiving. Just imagine Sophia if you stayed dead and were no able to be raised everytime you fell off. That's what a lot of people who are saying how easy it is are used to... take Titan or Leviathan. If you dropped off the platform, you were out of the fight until the remaining members won or it reset. Now at their release they also did a lot of very punishing mechanics and had tight DPS checks too.

Sophia allows you to raise no matter what, doesn't really have a DPS check other than the add phase and that's not very tight at all, and the damage is high (especially the tank buster which hits like a truck) but not unmanageable. So that's a taste of what the people saying it's easy are accustomed to. Hopefully that gives a bit of flavor into their responses.

That being said, it's very much learnable and very much able to be cleared in the Raid Finder or in Party Finder clear parties (I tend to trust Party Finder much more than the Raid Finder.) Party Finder will also get you introduced to some of the endgame players on Lamia and starting to build those ties can prove useful in the future, especially if you are able to execute and show a willingness to learn and progress.

The last thought I can leave you with is I can guarantee you even those who think Sophia is easy, a vast majority of them were going at it for at least 2-3 hours before they were ready to clear it. Some it probably even took much longer than that to find the right party.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

you can get upgrade material for wep, in A10S.
and i doubt that relic will be 270, this early. it would make shire weps outdated before 99% of ppl could even get it.
but i'll hold on to my tomes until patch notes, just in case -.- if relic is 270, i won't bother buying shire wep.

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The item to get the 260 is in A10S and the upgrade item is in A11S as guaranteed weekly drops upon clear.

@OP I checked your lodestone (truth be told, because I thought you may be trolling us), but then I saw your problem. You're pretty undergeared with some ilvl 225 pieces etc. Try to gear up a bit and replace those, you should have all 250 pretty easily via Alex NM by now. You can at least replace those 225 items with a bolt from A9N and A10N

@Dement See, that's what I was thinking. That if I could clear this, and get my Sophic blade, I'd have the means to start clearing harder content that I was intimidated by before.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

@OP I checked your lodestone (truth be told, because I thought you may be trolling us), but then I saw your problem. You're pretty undergeared with some ilvl 225 pieces etc. Try to gear up a bit and replace those, you should have all 250 pretty easily via Alex NM by now. You can at least replace those 225 items with a bolt from A9N and A10N

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Are you looking at my black mage class? I just swapped over real quick to farm for some fleece. My DRK is 238 and that's what I've been using to try and clear this. Though, maybe I should put more gear toward a DPS class. Tanking in raids does tend to stress me out a fair bit and as DPS, all I need to worry about are my numbers and staying out of AoEs.

Also, I've already grabbed a fair amount of Alex pieces, but it's top on my priority list for next tuesday.

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I don't know what you were expecting. You complain about a relatively easy fight. Others argue it is not, and now you are on page 9 here. The game needs challenging content and if you feel that the people around you are not sufficient enough to handle the fight, then you need to take the effort to find people that do.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

@Dement See, that's what I was thinking. That if I could clear this, and get my Sophic blade, I'd have the means to start clearing harder content that I was intimidated by before.



Are you looking at my black mage class? I just swapped over real quick to farm for some fleece. My DRK is 238 and that's what I've been using to try and clear this. Though, maybe I should put more gear toward a DPS class. Tanking in raids does tend to stress me out a fair bit and as DPS, all I need to worry about are my numbers and staying out of AoEs.

Also, I've already grabbed a fair amount of Alex pieces, but it's top on my priority list for next tuesday.

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http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...cter/15111542/

Dark Knight, 2x 225 accessories, 3x 230, 1x 230 left side and a few 240.

The added VIT from upgrading all these pieces would help you survive those tank busters.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Eh, I did this with less health lol, I wasn't even i240 (think i was around 235-238). Knowing how and when to pop CD's is more important in this fight than your HP pool, up to a point.

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Kind of irrelevant. You are not the OP. I am sure you can do this with less HP than the OP can, and I am sure someone else can do it with less HP than you are capable of. What we're trying to do is help the OP get through it though, and it sounds like more HP could be beneficial if (s)he is dying to tank busters.

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@Dement See, that's what I was thinking. That if I could clear this, and get my Sophic blade, I'd have the means to start clearing harder content that I was intimidated by before.

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Honestly the means you need is just the confidence that a clear would net you. You don't really need a Sophic Blade to do it. Frustration happens a lot but you just need to work through it, put your head down and keep trying. Or take a break from it for an hour or two and come back. Sometimes you just need that time to try something different.

Another thing you may want to try is setting up a PF and getting people on your server. Set your expectations (learning past X phase, clear party) and this tends to hold everyone a bit more accountable. You can also then systematically move through people who are holding back a clear if necessary, keep in contact with the ones who perform well and try to give those not performing chances to improve. Just don't use this to make a group to clear it for you and expect them to carry you (a lot of people do this is the only reason I bring it up).

Ignore the people telling you it's an easy fight


Read the posts telling you information, good information like mine.
It really doesn't matter if it's easy or not. What should really matter is the information people can give (yeah I know there's barely anyone giving good information here sadly).
Also you should do this in PF. Raid finder is only good for practice unless you have the clear.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

The Gear is fine, only the acc is to low.

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The gear is absolutely fine to clear it, but if it was the first time you're doing a current EX primal, creating a larger buffer is probably going to be beneficial to overcome any shorts in ability or confidence.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

The Gear is fine, only the acc is to low.

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That would explain alot. Like, the other night, I had SERIOUS issues trying to get threat on Sophia and her adds. This might be why. What should my accuracy be at this level, and, outside of mhachi matter and millions of gil for materia, how should I go about raising it? And what level would be considered "sufficient"?

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Originally Posted by Pondera

That would explain alot. Like, the other night, I had SERIOUS issues trying to get threat on Sophia and her adds. This might be why. What should my accuracy be at this level, and, outside of mhachi matter and millions of gil for materia, how should I go about raising it? And what level would be considered "sufficient"?

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Get beast tribe materias and meld them on all equips. Since most of your equips will be changed soon, it won't be much of a loss.

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Originally Posted by Pondera

You people scare me. If this is what you call laughably simple, I think I might unsub and quit gaming for life if you showed me what you considered difficult. I mean, this is the first extreme trial that I've attempted, so maybe that factors into it?

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Your first Ex? yeah stay away from the others then.

But yeah natural that what ex/savage should do. Make you play harder. All the Ex's I do find this the easiest but of course it depends on how your group plays the fight and just, well, how good you are.