REQUEST: Can we have both /changepose Poses?

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I would argue working with limitations creates the illusion of variety. Every female has the same pose. Every male has the same pose. The only variety is the variety between male and female, it's boolean Male = True, pose 1. How is that variety?

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From an outsiders perspective, you see approximately twice as much.

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

This would allow you to also have the opposite genders wave/goodbye/welcome/dance and whatever other difference they get.

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Omg I would love all of this!

More emotes are never a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

From an outsiders perspective, you see approximately twice as much.

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Like I said: It's an illusion. From the perspective of someone invested in the game, you know exactly who has what in regards to this.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Working with limitations adds variety. Giving everyone access to the same poses effectively cuts the uniqueness by half, not multiplies it as you seem to suggest.
This is the same reason I'm always pushing for more gender locked gear and more racial locked gear, not less.

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Racial locked gear makes sense, as there's gear that one race would wear, which another wouldn't. Same goes for gender locked gear, whether only worn by one gender, or the gear looking different for each gender.

However, holding a lance slightly differently isn't something that should be restricted by gender, as I don't see how a female character wouldn't be able to do the Kain pose that males get, and vice versa.

I wouldn't mind them doing this, and if by any chance possible, I wonder if they could make them save by class...

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Racial locked gear makes sense, as there's gear that one race would wear, which another wouldn't.

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Honestly, it doesn't considering clothes are clothes and styles are swapped around from culture to culture IRL pretty constantly.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Honestly, it doesn't considering clothes are clothes and styles are swapped around from culture to culture IRL pretty constantly.

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Even then, I'd say it still makes more sense than the ability to hold a weapon in a slightly different way.

This please! Like I am STILL offended that male DRGs get THE Dragoon pose. Like forget you SE I am a DRG too. The only way I can do it is LB3....

I"m always up for having more options.

I really want the female drk's stance, would look badass. No I won't fantasia for it either, I'm way too attached to my Elezen male. :P

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

If you see a woman glued to a unicorn and its how she is seated that damages your suspension of reality, and not the unicorn.... I'm afraid we are to far apart to see eye to eye.

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*Sigh*
I don't know how people don't get that there's a tangible difference in the suspension of disbelief for something like "magic" working in a piece of fiction, and things just being jarring.


So we all know how Hauchefrant died right? A massive spear of lightning to the chest, blood spilled from his lips, and even though we have resurrection magic, he died and it's 'believable' right? It's believable that a hit like that can and should kill an Elezen.
Imagine if next patch. Thancred is in a sword fight, and just takes a sword right in the bottom of his jaw, and it runs all the way through his skull, through his brain, and out of the top of his head, in gory detail. He then proceeds to pull the sword out of his head, and act like nothing is wrong. And despite people seeing it, no-one ever brings it up ever again, and in-fact people go on to say he's just a normal Hyur.

There's an element of consistency in suspension of disbelief. I can believe that Dragoons can jump because you see it, a lot. It's an established thing, they are KNOWN for it. There's no known lore that lets a woman's butt glue itself to a horse, and considering physics seems to work about as one would expect it to, (gravity, velocity, friction, etc.) it's a bit disjointing that it just 'is', and thus to a lot of people it looks wrong.

Is it a nitpick? Yes, it is. But it's not an invalid observation.
Given the time for attention to detail, adding detailed and consistent riding animations would be really neat. Just deciding to remove unicorns because unicorns aren't real wouldn't be neat at all.

See the difference?

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I would argue working with limitations creates the illusion of variety.

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It doesn't even do that. Limitations objectively hamper variety - that's simply a mathematical fact. If you have 2 races with 1 Head, 1 Body, 1 Arm and 1 Leg option each, you have exactly 2 unique combinations. If you cull the racial limitation, both races suddenly have 2 Head, 2 Body, 2 Arm and 2 Leg options leading to a possible total of 16 unique combinations. That's "a tad" more. Every limitation reduces variety, full stop. There's not an argument to make here. It's a fact.

Limitations are in the realm of flavor - You could have Hyurs with dragon heads and it would add variety (since Hyurs get 1 more head option that multiplies with the other body options to over a dozen new Hyur combinations from just one addition), but it might look silly. Hence, dragon heads are limited to dragons. This is the only thing you can argue for when it comes to limitations. But I personally don't think these animations would look silly on the other gender at all - and that is an opinion.

I want female WHM pose for my manqote...... It's rly cute :(

Agreed OP!

Haven't read the thread, but there's definitely some poses I'd love to use.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

I would argue working with limitations creates the illusion of variety. Every female has the same pose. Every male has the same pose. The only variety is the variety between male and female, it's boolean Male = True, pose 1. How is that variety?

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I think I quote myself to this

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Originally Posted by Felis

Instead of getting old /cpose on both genders, how about alternative new poses for both genders?
I mean really new, not a silly gender swap

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

*Sigh*
See the difference?

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I see you starting your argument with a passive-aggressive emote expressing how exasperated you are at my stupid. Sort of a cheap way to start and doesn't lend you much credibility. You may think you need the boost to your stance, and you do. To sit there and state that a physical stance that is by the way physically possible is somehow more disruptive to your suspension of reality then magic is a very weak argument.

See the difference? ^-^

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

I see you starting your argument with a passive-aggressive emote expressing how exasperated you are at my stupid. Sort of a cheap way to start and doesn't lend you much credibility. You may think you need the boost to your stance, and you do. To sit there and state that a physical stance that is by the way physically possible is somehow more disruptive to your suspension of reality then magic is a very weak argument.

See the difference? ^-^

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Well: I wrote this prior post after a full shift had me leaving work at 3am, so it's a bit more enthusiastic than usual. That being said, being (admittedly) rude doesn't lessen credibility, my argument stands whether or not it was stated in proper decor.

I do apologize that it was taken directly, as I'm, more exhausted at the argument itself; that one can't find flaws in minor physical details in a piece of fantasy media, simply because fantastical elements exist alongside the typical ones.

Do you have a response to this argument in particular?

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

I see you starting your argument with a passive-aggressive emote expressing how exasperated you are at my stupid. Sort of a cheap way to start and doesn't lend you much credibility. You may think you need the boost to your stance, and you do. To sit there and state that a physical stance that is by the way physically possible is somehow more disruptive to your suspension of reality then magic is a very weak argument.

See the difference? ^-^

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No, it's not a weak argument. Cosmic's response perhaps has an unnecessary air of condescension, which they acknowledged in the more recent post; nevertheless, they are right. Magic isn't disruptive to one's suspension of disbelief in a world where magic is said to exist. That's part of the premise of the world. So it's no problem.

When it comes to suspension of disbelief in fantasy an sci-fi, strict "realism", per se, really isn't that important, on its own. What is important are "believably" and "internal consistency." Magic still isn't "realistic" but it is believable within the framework of the world that has been set up. Warp drive and hyperspace, in Star Trek and Star Wars respectively, are both whackadoodle nonsense if you examine them with a critical eye and try to apply real science to them, but that doesn't matter. Both of those settings have "faster-than-light travel is possible using tech that is beyond the understanding of real-life modern humans" baked into the setting. So we don't need to know exactly HOW it works to accept that it works. Same with magic in a fantasy setting like XIV. The horse-riding thing, on the other hand, is just a thing that happens for no reason. It uses an element that, unlike magic, is directly taken from the real world (in this case, horseback riding), and then suddenly something absurd is done with it. There's nothing baked into the setting of XIV that would account for it.

So THAT'S the difference. A fantastical element which is an acknowledged part of the setting, which may be "unrealistic" but is used believably and consistently within the setting (usually; it's not like XIV NEVER makes an error in terms of that consistency, but that's beside the point), versus something that is an element directly taken from the real world and then is suddenly used in a nonsensical way with no explanation.

Is it of SUPREME importance? No. As has also been acknowledged, it's a nitpick, but that doesn't change anything. As Cosmic said, one can find flaws in the details of a world with fantastical elements and critique those flaws. Being fantasy (or sci-fi) isn't a license to just do whatever you want with no explanation.

And with all that stuff about suspension of disbelief, I forgot to actually say anything else about the topic!

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think I quote myself to this

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The only thing that's "silly" is the idea that poses and stances are gendered. There was no good reason for them to be gender-locked in the first place. As to removing these restrictions vs. adding new poses, how about both? Considering that new emotes, dances, etc. get added periodically anyway, and we will probably continue to see more, and considering the minimum amount of work required to allow all players to access all existing emotes and poses regardless of gender, it really doesn't need to be one or the other.

I mean... surely more variety is good? To be honest, the idea that anyone is legitimately against opening up battle stances and other emotes so that there is no longer a gender-lock on them is baffling.

I'm a bit shocked that my mini-rant on bad posture while horseback turned into a legit debate.


To add, the entire idea gender locked poses as some of us prefer the opposite ones is a nitpicky annoyance in itself.

I wouldn't call it a QoL change, but I'd certainly want it.

100% yes to your post OP. I find it kinda silly that they restrict things like that behind gender..I mean would a iconic pose really be less iconic just because its done by the other gender? For things like race starting gear I can understand the restriction since every culture kinda looks different and it kinda creates a certain style for each race but why should a woman/man not be able to hold the sword like the other gender does?

I would even go so far and say that there should not be gender restricted emotes..if my female Au Ra grew up in a men only group isn't there a big chance that she will mimic them? Why are the Xaela that are warring tribes stand around shyly and unsure as a female? IMO the best would be if we could choose our own emotes for the character when we create it (if you dont care you could always just click the default option) so that I can pray like a Au Ra female, be happy like a Lala, greet like a Roe and so on..(After the character creation you cant change it back so one should really think about it.) I mean our character might be from a certain race but as adventurers we should come in contact with a lot of other races and thus it kinda makes sense that we will see lots of different kind of emotes..its not that far off that someone might like it better than their own and change their behavior..(I mean at the time I was in Japan I did the little thank you bow even though I never use it in my country) This would create so many different individual characters and some might even use a race that they before did not want to play because they disliked the emotes/walk animations and more.

And to make everyone happy they could introduce some new changeposes too. ;)

Yes, Please!!! I really wanted to do male DRG pose ;w; since my main is DRG... make it happen SE... pleaseeee ;w;

Bibity Bobity Bump!

I would love to get more poses! I agree that having things gender locked is just silly. Put it on Mogstation. Take my money!

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Originally Posted by Kinetic-duet

Put it on Mogstation. Take my money!

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As someone who has always supported pose variety, I would rather this feature not exist at all than to see another cash grab for a basic game function.
Stop suggesting this please.

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Originally Posted by Roda

As someone who has always supported pose variety, I would rather this feature not exist at all than to see another cash grab for a basic game function.
Stop suggesting this please.

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Yeah I don't mind the cash shop, but by unlocking both genders I mean just unlock them. No mogstation no quest.... just remove the gender lock.

YES PLEASE!!!!!

Pllllease I am still so upset that I can't do -the- DRG pose just because I have boobs :/

That is a lovely necro. Can we have this? Please?

Necro or not, I want that female DRK stance as much as my friend wants my DRG stance. Make them A/B options instead of illogically dividing them by gender.

Clothes I can understand. Weapon stances I can't. They're all gender-neutral, why restrict them based on male/female?

I still want this bad.

I wonder would it even really take any work from their part to make the animations work on the other genders...

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I wonder would it even really take any work from their part to make the animations work on the other genders...

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Im no computer tech so I'm not sure how easy it would be. But I assume its possible as they had Hildabrand doing "female" emotes at one point in one of his quests if I'm remembering right.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I like to see variety rather than the other half of the population using my poses.

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Yep, couldn't agree more. It still bothers me that everyone uses the same animations in battle as it is.

I'm for this 200%, I absolutely loathe the female samurai idle pose, but adore the male version.

PLEASE make this happen!
I play a Female Miqo'te, but I SOOO badly want the Male Poses for Dark Knight, Paladin, Warrior, Machinist, Dargoon, Monk, Ninja, and Samurai.

Glamour is the true endgame, and the whole point of glamour is to make your character look how you want them to.
This restriction is preventing me from doing that. >:(

the only thing we should get are change poses for the new bed mount.

Can THIS get asked at the next Q&A instead of if sandwhiches are store bought or homemade?

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Can THIS get asked at the next Q&A instead of if sandwhiches are store bought or homemade?

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I seeth with anger that some mod somewhere thought that was a good question instead of so many others to ask.

While i am at it, i would like to see at least the idle poses swappable, they both usually seem fairly nutrual.

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Originally Posted by Sei_Konsetsu

I seeth with anger that some mod somewhere thought that was a good question instead of so many others to ask.

While i am at it, i would like to see at least the idle poses swappable, they both usually seem fairly nutrual.

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When the sandwich question came up and not this or questions about Lightning's sword for gunbreakers or almost anything else.


Why the hell did they choose....the sandwich question my god.