Shorter elezen necks

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Originally Posted by Korbash

I like my Elezen just the way he is and I don't want Elezens to change. Why alienating the players that like the race and play one?

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This. I like my Elezen the way he is :(

If they changed them to be more like the other races (which increasing their head size, homogenising their run animation and shortening their necks is ultimately doing, even if the ears and long body are still unique) then I'd switch to Au Ra or Roe; I specifically don't want to look more 'normal'. But I would rather stay Elezen, because big-headed, short-necked race options already exist for everyone else to choose. I'm sorry to hear that it means that Norleas can't play as an Elezen the way they currently are, but by the same token I wouldn't want to play as a female Miqo'te without some design changes. And I think that's ok, because both are options openly available to us in character creation.

(Female Elezen are beautiful the way they are too. It's ok to be less than perfectly proportioned by modern human standards, and I wouldn't want them to be changed.)

If I am correct the OP is asking for the option to pick an Elezen with shorter neck (since she/he mentions the PS3, I am guessing she/he is talking about expanding the Character Creation option), why are people against it? People that want to play as the current Elezen can stay the same and those that prefer to have shorter neck, can use the character creation tool to decrease (or increase) the neck of the Elezen.

If OP is asking to remove the current Elezen and replace it with one that he or she likes (shorter necks), then I have to agree with those that said: NO!

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Originally Posted by Laerune

If I am correct the OP is asking for the option to pick an Elezen with shorter neck (since she/he mentions the PS3, I am guessing she/he is talking about expanding the Character Creation option), why are people against it?

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I had the impression it was the latter since it was about sweeping graphical changes, and I believe the 'PS3 restrictions' are for client-side issues while the limitation on the number of character creation options is a server restriction and unlikely to change any time soon. It felt weird to see someone playing a character of a race/gender combination that is (forgive me) rather round-headed and short-necked complaining about my preferred combination being too different to that.

If I'm wrong and if it's technically possible, I have no particular qualms with adding extra face options in future (for all races) as the more diversity in faces, the better the game is for everyone! However I wouldn't really like them to make the options so divergent that players with 'classic' Elezen looked like a completely different race to those with the new, cuter-looking versions. A future option in an expansion to play as something closer to Alphinaud/Alisaie could be interesting even if I'm sticking with my gangly yaoi-handed fully-grown Duskwight forever.

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Originally Posted by Averax

I assume you're referencing the females, given your avatar. Female Au Ra are basically every anime highschool girl ever.

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Yeah, I meant the females^^ I also play a male alt, but he has such a crazy mane, anything from the middle of his back upwards is just hair anyway..xD

http://666kb.com/i/dddqphufs8f3r083k.jpg

After I noticed how ridiculous the neck looked, I stared at real people on the bus more intently :x
Wanted to see if I was just imagining things (and it maybe was actually fairly realistic and just the scales threw my perception off or something) but.
The neck is longer than the entire head (or at least the same length)! No matter how I look at it, about half of that would be normal..

http://cutediyprojects.com/wp-conten...uffant-Bun.jpg

It's not as extreme as with Elezen because their heads are so small and it makes the whole issue a lot more obvious, while Au Ra can just hide the neck with a myriad of fairly long hairstyles,
but I am convinced by now that the giraffe neck is a general problem SE easily falls into.

Personally I would like to see a rework of some of the animations. The running one is pretty bad in my opinion, no offense meant, just my honest opinion and is probably why I've never created an elf alt.

Genuine question. I've heard this for a long time but I've never really understood; why is the Elezen running animation so strongly disliked? I run all the time and think my character looks cool :<

I wanna be an elf but they still made them really strange in this game..like XI, so..passed again lol

If they ever do make an elf race that is proportionate I'll be all over that. Or shoot..even like the NPC Hilda.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

I wanna be an elf but they still made them really strange in this game..like XI, so..passed again lol

If they ever do make an elf race that is proportionate I'll be all over that. Or shoot..even like the NPC Hilda.

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They're not elves though. They're elezen. Ok, we all know that they're based on the same idea but they're explicitly not the same thing and 'actual' elves don't exist in Eorzea.

Playable half-elezen would be a nice compromise for people who want more human-looking elezen. I don't personally like Hilda visually, but if they can overlook the issue with male miqo'te supposedly being rare I'm sure half-elezen would be just as feasible. And kind of low effort for them to implement in a future expansion.

Leave my neck alone!

Change all our Elezen character models to Highlanders with pointy ears? Sounds great, and while we're at it I'd like to propose some more changes:

- Modify all gear to have long sleeves and pants on Au Ra characters; some people think scales look weird and don't want to see them.
- Roegadyn only allowed to be a specific, soothing shade of pale blue, to calm down other players who might feel threatened by their height.
- Female Miqo'te become permanently invisible, solving that common complaint of seeing too many catgirls everywhere.
- Add bunny ears to all Hyur, so people will stop complaining they're "just boring humans" and also, stop asking for Viera. Two for one!
- Lock out tank and physical DPS classes for Lalas, in case they break someone's immersion.

You're welcome Squeenix <3

Their bodies just need to be slimmer or a bit bigger heads.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

As someone who roleplays an Elezen(and thus their appearance is the most important thing to me), leave my Elezen neck alone! First and foremost, I made the character because I like how she looks. If she gets changed, she won't be the character I intended her to be any more. Her looks play a big part in her personality.

But more importantly: I have seen people in the thread say things like that they wanted to play an Elezen, but because of their neck they played a Hume instead. All that tells me is that you want to play a human character. So do it. Elezen have a few things unique to their body structure that make them not just look like a blown up human. And other than Lalafels they are the only race that isn't just a human scaled to a different size and recolored with some added tails, ears, and horns.

I WISH every race looked more unique than they do, but unfortunately we are stuck with everyone just being different representations of humans. It's bad enough as it is, please stop trying to make everyone into the same thing.

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"Stop liking things that look too human" is what i heard.

I like having characters with human proportions, i also like exciting features such as pointy ears. Am i a terrible person just for wanting that? Nobody's saying anything about changing YOUR character. I want MY character to look the way I want it to. Is that such a horrible thing?

So, we can all agree that we should just have more options for everyone so that those who like the current versions are happy, and those who want mods can do so.

So, PS3 is neing dropped from it's limiting hardware and a good chunk of Stormblood's 35mil budget is going to be put toward some server restructuring~

SE I hope you hear our wishes!

Come now..not this complicated good people. Elezen necks are long for the same reason we have 2-4 races running around looking like preadolescant schoolgirls....its more palatable to the japanese culture. No,Im not being racist, go ahead and google long necks/Geisha eroticism/japan if ya doubt. Its considered beautiful. Consider the art styles ranging back from the Genji era (look at me like I know wtf Im talking about). I dunno...along with the ears, I guess it just supports the visual acknowledgement that they're not human.

In favor of sliders though. Hell..I want mom hips and a tush I can slap with a boat paddle for my femroe but Yoshi said no ; ;

I say we leave them the way they are and "fix" the male running animation. DON'T HATE ME! /flee

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Originally Posted by Serilda

Genuine question. I've heard this for a long time but I've never really understood; why is the Elezen running animation so strongly disliked? I run all the time and think my character looks cool :<

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It's because they are so stiff and upright looking and the way their arms are positioned.

Look at Velma here. Kind of like this.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/63fbb8bc...rm1so1_500.gif

When people really run, they are at a slight forward slant.

Due to this, I run with weapon out, so I don't run that way.

I always compared the M!Elezan run to that of a dressage horse.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/TC9UjIpTnqR4Q/giphy.gif

It has a high stepping gait that's intentionally taught as it's not a natural canter. To me, it adds to the pompous air that Elezan often give.

Why not ask for a sub option of half elf from Elezen? They could be Hyur with pointy ears and Elezen movement/ emote rigging. not like they don't already exist in the game...

http://67.media.tumblr.com/989417d01...5mqo1_1280.png

http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Final_Fan...ard/ss-332.jpg

It's been a 'characteristic' of the race for SE since XI. Won't change.

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Originally Posted by seida

IMO female midlanders have the worst run.

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HEY! Don't be hatin' on my princess run! XD
Midlander hyur for life!!

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Originally Posted by Alacran

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That would be very nice, but I have a feeling we're gonna be getting miqo'tes with rabbit ears in 4.0 *sigh*

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Originally Posted by Norleas

That would be very nice, but I have a feeling we're gonna be getting miqo'tes with rabbit ears in 4.0 *sigh*

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I wont derail the thread, i only wish to make clear, i would actually enjoy Viera to be added.

Back on topic, i do feel that with enough demand, a request to use/ reallocate already existing art assets, and lore would not to be to out of the question.
That being said however i have always felt it was a shame that not more of the races had as much diversity as the Hyur Midlander/ Highlander option. As many have before shown interest in the idea of new tribes within existing race options, the retirement of the ps3 would be an excellent time to implement a third more diverse option to the other five races.

Elezen- The aforementioned Half elf

Roegadyne- Though i myself do not care for it there are some who wish for the Galka tail to make a comeback.

Miqo Te- Another i personally have no real opinion of, though i wouldn't mind a more fierce option, something more akin to the Woren of the Breath of Fire series (more muscular cat people think tiger/human hybrid)

AuRa- Newest of the bunch, however what was shown in concept was not what we got. I could care less for the bestial look, but the description of the Xaela practically demanded the female Xeala be a taller more muscular variant of the female Raen. Truly a missed opportunity.... However it has been noted that there are other AuRa tribes about, so come 4.0 (or 5.0) the induction of something like this would much welcomed.

Lalafell- ... imp? ... ... ... j/k. ...

agree, they look ugly & odd

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

It's because they are so stiff and upright looking and the way their arms are positioned.

Due to this, I run with weapon out, so I don't run that way.

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Thanks for the explanations, appreciated. I still think that my character looks great in motion (though I too run with my weapon out most of the time, because having a gigantic staff flailing around dangerously makes everything more exciting!)

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Originally Posted by Alacran

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I just hope we get the cool monstrous au'ras we were originally promised, hopefully with the improvements in 4.0 that can still happen.

I highly doubt the current races will any model alterations outside of additional options, but what you consider an "improvement" simply isn't to many others.

I want more ear and tail options on Miqo'te, and I'm all for the butt and hip sliders, but I don't want the current body type to completely vanish from character creator in favor of big hipped, rabbit eared women since a vocal set of players demanded it.

That's the kind of implication being put forth for Elezen. "Just change this arbitrary list of details that a bunch of us who won't play the race don't like, despite the thousand players who are actually using the model on their mains and alts, for my personal aesthetic preferences. Then it'll be better!"

That's a bit too selfish, I think.

I do approve of this, honestly. I love my elf but I would love her much more if I could be a hyur half elf like Hilda. Elezen are great though and I feel lots of people don't give them a chance.

Shorter Elezen necks along with Eyebrows for Highlander are two things we deffinately need. It will change how people perceive those 2 races and appeal more. Elezen are nice but the neck same of the Highlanders. Those two things are supposed to give a twist on those two classical gaming races but they made those 2 races look weirder instead of more appealing. It can be easily fixed as the neck does not require for armors to be redesigned same for the Highlanders' eyebrows. I'm pretty sure the team could easily implement those two features. The neck can be a slider or a simple selection on character screen and eyebrows the same. I wish the team could hear us.

It's hard to say whether it should or not...
I enjoy the current length of my Elezen's neck, although sometimes looks long.
The whole designing follows a certain ratio, if you shorten the neck, maybe then you find other parts should be shorten as well. After all Elezens have everything long: long neck, long arms, long body, long legs. They're just a type of slender people.

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Originally Posted by Dragon_Sanders

It's hard to say whether it should or not...
I enjoy the current length of my Elezen's neck, although sometimes looks long.
The whole designing follows a certain ratio, if you shorten the neck, maybe then you find other parts should be shorten as well. After all Elezens have everything long: long neck, long arms, long body, long legs. They're just a type of slender people.

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What else do they have long? I'm really interested.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

What else do they have long? I'm really interested.

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Compared with their normal-sized head, everything seems long.
If you mean except for the things I've already cited, maybe ears?

HOLY CRAP IT'S CONTAGIOUS

http://i.imgur.com/aN5PX6M.png

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

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there is nothing wrong with fantasy or whatever, but that doesn't mean proportions have to be thrown out the window. (imho) It just does not aesthetically look that great, and it seems the vast majority agree, or else they wouldn't get the same comments about the race all the time, or be so underplayed.

I think it is acceptable to leave the current elezen, and either improve upon them by adding more options or just add a mixed hyur + elf half race. I dunno...I really want to be an elf, but not with how they look right now :(

Like others have said, it's the defining trait of the race. They're lanky in every way and I doubt it'll get changed.

If people want them to be more human so they could be generic fantasy elves, SE could always add Hyur/Elezen hybrids.

my only "problem" is necklaces. like having it sit in the middle instead of just resting near the shoulders like a normal necklace.

They either have a tiny head or a huge body. It has to be proportionate.

Elezen need an option to adjust their head and neck size. The head size are too small (I read once or twice that they were reduced in size for 2.0) and neck just a wee bit too long. See examples below:

https://i.gyazo.com/17ea7b68dda17bef...47f8b47141.png
https://i.gyazo.com/c0b2d32148a250bf...9c183df87e.png
https://i.gyazo.com/2541fad59610ff83...4d9a9dc911.png

Literally unplayable.

Edit: Here's another example:

https://i.gyazo.com/72714569c312ab9b...8ddcc547d0.png

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Originally Posted by Tanama

Literally unplayable.

Edit: Here's another example:

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I think the last picture looks great! The neck is obviously long, but it's not a human (hyuran...) character; the unsettling proportions are part of the charm. I don't think the first picture look great but clothes help and that hairstyle emphasises the small head :s

I agree that necklaces could really do to be designed to sit a little lower on the neck though. Most of my glamours hide them but sometimes I wear a low cut top and end up hiding the necklace to avoid making myself sad.

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Originally Posted by Mikaeus_The_Lunarch

my only "problem" is necklaces. like having it sit in the middle instead of just resting near the shoulders like a normal necklace.

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That's because all of an Elezen's power is concentrated in the neck. As a result, the necks radiate so much aether that it makes necklaces float.

https://puu.sh/pktPZ/9d7d957468.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UeYToNcZny...k+Efteling.jpg