A Home for new Job Ideas, a Thread dedicated to New Jobs.

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You seem to not fully understand, that blue arrow next to the OP name in inside the quote bubble allows you to view the OP that was used in the quote. But you do no not write inside the quote bubble. Quote is used when you want to state a sentence that someone has written instead of using quotation marks " and having to rewrite what someone has written. You can click on (Reply with Quote) which then creates a speech bubble. With the original sentence from that post that you want to quote. You do not delete the quote inside the speech bubble write your reply. Doing so no longer makes it a quote.

Because of you this thread is now slowly going of topic. Can you please stop..

And use this thread the way it was meant to be used.

Posting pictures is fine as long as you explain what the job is and how you think it would fit in the world of FFXIV ARR and how SE could implement that job into the game.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cw6nFKJK4g...ri-d2zp8wc.pngSuper Hero
Inspiration from Airgear, Power Rangers and Viewtiful Joe! This hero uses transformation magic to become a superhero! He wears different power suits or cosplay to resemble different heroes and fights on rollerblades on walls and ceilings! aerial karate! He can use cell phone to annoy everyone with his bad selfie ah his neighbors and grandma or that big monsters!??i don't know, oK! Shadow puppets! T-shirts with bears! And Super unlockable magical suits!
Gun that shoots bubbles and flashy lasers. bonuses to movement speed and jokes.
EX:The camera flash annoys the enemy causing lethal damage and blindness!http://img09.deviantart.net/8a8a/i/2...in-d1fb2wg.png

Well, I give it a try ^^

Necromancer (NCM)

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Weapon: Scythe
Type: Magical Tank
Gear: Robe
Cross-Skills: PLD (Provoke, Def CDs), BLM (Surecast, Swiftcast)

Level 60
HP: 15.000
MP: 20.000
TP: 1.000

Main-Stat: Vitality
Second-Stats: Piety, Critical Hit

Playstyle "What is dead may never die":
This tank-class have the lowest HP of all tanks, but the largest amount of Mana.

In your tank-stance (Rune of Death) every hit will mostly drain your mana instead of your life. Additionally, all your skills will consume your TP and you have skills for damage-mitigation and mana-recovery. Without your tank-stance, every skill will consume MP instead of TP with a higher damage output, while your tank-skills becoming damage-buffs.

Additionally, you can raise fallen group-members or transfer your life to other party members. You have to manage your mana wisely and be very carefull with your mana- and life-pool. Losing all your mana is very fatal, so keep an eye at your mana.

Offensive-Skills:

• Ripper (increase enmity)
• Blood blade (increase enmity, add Bleeding DoT)
• Impale (increase enmity, add Piercing damage debuff)
• Guillotine (finishing move. Recover mana when this attack kills your target)
• Laughter (stun, 10s cooldown)
• Banishing Seal (silence, 10s cooldown)
• Phantoms (AoE-attack)
• Hook (Ranged cleave attack. Pull all monsters in front of you to your position)
• Necromancy (Ranged attack. Gain one stack of "Undead" when target dies, Max stacks: one, 30s cooldown)

Support:

• Summoning Undead (revive one fallen ally, 4s cast, needs one stack of "Undead")
• Blood magic (Transfer 25% from your Life to target, 2.5s cast)

Mana-Recovery:

• Canibalism (gain Mana from one your allies, instant 10s cooldown)
• Ritual of the Night (Transfer 30% Life to 30% Mana, instant GCD)
• Ghost (with Runes of Death) (increase evasion to 80% for 20s, every evaded attack recover mana)
• Ghost (increase critical hit to 60% for 20s, every critical attack recover mana)
• Rapture (TP-Cost: 200. Mana regeneration over time, 25s)

Defensive:

• Runes of Death (Tank-Stance. Reduce incoming damage for 80% while reducing mana with each hit. Your outgoing damage is also reduced, while all your skills consume TP instead of MP. )

During "Runes of Death" (Tank-Stance):

• Pureheart (reduce mana cost of "Runes of Death" for 30% for 30s) (damage mitigation: 30%)
• Overdose (reduce mana cost of "Runes of Death" for 70%, while transfering 10% of incoming damage to LP for 15s) (damage mitigation: 60%)
• Soul Eater (no mana cost of "Runes of Death" for 30s, needs one stack of "Undead") (damage mitigation: 80%)
• Curse (Transfer all incoming damage to one of your allies for 10s) Sidenote: Like "Cover" but in a reversed way
• Reflec (Invincible, counter all attacks back to target, no healing/buffs possible for 10s)

Without "Runes of Death" (normal, DPS-Stance):

• Pureheart (reduce mana cost for all skills for 50% for 30s)
• Overdose (increase your outgoing damage for 50% for 15s)
• Soul Eater (massive AoE attack, needs one stack of "Undead")
• Curse (Share all your outgoing damage from one target to all targets nearby for 10s, needs one stack of "Undead")
• Reflec (Grants a shield which counters all attacks back to target to all party members for 10s)

Limit Break 3:

• Grim Reaper (Healer LB3? xD)

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Necromancer (NCM)https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jnk5H-5nuKg/hqdefault.jpg
Weapon: Scythe
Type: Magical Tank
Gear: Robe
Cross-Skills: PLD (Provoke, Def CDs), BLM (Surecast, Swiftcast)
Limit Break 3:

• Grim Reaper (Healer LB3? xD)

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Originally Posted by DragoonSantos

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Sorry, I m not a big fan of Hellsing ^^.

I need to join this thread and several others so that I can add the Jobs that i have Crafted and the jobs I have "reworked" for other players. I am currently reworking my original designs, Dancer, Tank RDM, Geomancer, and Salve-Maker, to 60; creating a DPS RDM, and reworking someones take on Elementalist. I also have a Puppetmaster job on the back burner and might take the Necromancer Idea Caitlyn shared and rework that.

So for right now I am reworking Kael_Thor's Elementalist idea
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/m...0526-Kael_Thor

and Might take a stab at Caitlyn's Necromancer idea, as it appears very sollid but could use some fine tuning
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/m...179734-Caitlyn

The mime job, like what Gogo was on Final Fantasy 3 (I think).

• You can mimic any other move performed in the last _10_ seconds.
• Requirements: At least level 30 in all combat classes.
• Cross-classes: none all none all none all none all
• Instead of gaining extra abilities at every-so-often levels, you gain an extra ability slot that displays a previously used move.
• Not sure what to do about soloability though. Have abilities that do 10/100/1000 damage maybe?

Berserker from FFX-2.

The weapon should be a dual wild weapon.

They should keep some of the abilitys that they had in FFX-2

Actions

• Berserk - Increase's your HP and strength at the same time you lose control of the character. Best way I can see this to work is if they made it so it only last until the time on the action runs out. Also you wouldn't beable to use again not until after cool down.

• Unhinge - Lowers enemies evasion and accuracy.

• Intimidate - Inflects damage and slow.

• Envenom - Inflects damage, poison and stun.

• Howl - doubles users max HP.

• Wallop - Damages enemy and knocks it back whilst inflicting confusion.

These where the best attacks I thought would work well in this game. Since FFX-2 was a normal RPG so having a action that allows you to half the enemies HP to the same level as yours wouldn't work in this game in my Honest opinion.

Well the game really strongly hints at Puppet master being the next class.
I won't complain but I would still want a dancer.

I dug up my old dancer concept thread.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Concept-Dancer

TL;DR:
Tank
Wields fans
Lots of stance changing and stack consumption
Abilities named after FF music
Job quests in Gold Saucer.

None particularly well thought out, but I'd quite like to see;

Blue Mage.

Tank, mace for weapon, INT gear with the tank stance covering the VIT/Def/etc. difference, mix of physical attacks and spells. Mostly physical attacks to build enmity, Blue Magic spells for utility/defense. Much more MP management based than even Dark Knight, I'd quite like no Rampart/Shadow Skin equivalent, instead something like Cocoon on GCD, that lasts for a short time, though AoE situations become problematic then... A skill that works like Wildfire/Synastry would be quite nice as a sort of counter based skill, more damage you take, more damage it deals.

Dancer.

Healer, chakram for weapon, DEX based gear with Clerics Stance style skill swapping you to MND, physical (ranged, though slashing) DPS skills, "spells" for healing, they'd be dances rather than traditional spells though, animation would be an actual dance rather than the "charging" animations we currently have. Rogue as a cross-class skill, for Goad and Death Blossom.

Samurai.

DPS, katana and bow for weapon, DEX or STR based... Stance dancing between two weapon types, I'm thinking start in ranged to build up some sort of stack mechanic to preform flashy, cinematic, powerful, katana based finishers... Rather than directional bonuses on combos, I'm thinking distance based ones could be fun, provided we have a solid way to measure distance...

Beastmaster.

Tank, one handed axe for weapon, plus pet. Pet does the actual tanking, various skills to share effects with your pet, so you can swap enmity, HP, buffs, debuffs, etc., combos build Wrath style stacks which are use with various skills that boost the pet. Pet glamour system to provide variety in pets, should be much easier to implement than Summoners, given animal models already exist in the game. Charm skill can exist and be used to "unlock" pet glamours, as well as act as a Rouse/Spur style skill for your pet. Two "Summon Pet" skills, which act as the OT/MT stance.

Red Mage.

Frontline mage DPS, rapier style swords (no shield) for weapon, INT get. Rotation built around the elemental wheel, not in the sense of "Shiva is ice, thus weak to fire", but in manipulating an enemies aether to adjust their weakness... Take XIs basic DoTs (Choke/Burn/Drown/etc.) as the basic spells, then have various abilities which change how they'll work, similar to XI Scholars Stratagems perhaps. By default have them just change the enemies weakness to the element cast, could have a skill to make that AoE, a skill to make them deal nuke damage, a skill to make them deal DoT damage, a skill to apply the element to your weapon so your next physical attack would be that element... Elemental wheel would work in a fairly logical way, you'd effectively combo the spells... So cast Frost, now the enemy is counted as Ice based, then you make your next spell DoT based and cast Burn. That melts Frost, moving the enemy to Drown (Water), so you'd want to use a Shock based skill next. You'd have 3 physical combo finishers, one for damage (so you'd want to apply elemental damage to that one), one to deal the magic equivalent of Dragon Kick/Disembowel/Dancing Edge/etc., and one to provide you a one time Lightspeed style buff. MP recovery in the middle of there similar to Dark Knight.

Well looks like almost everyone includes Dancer and Red Mage.
Red Mage also has a good chance cause it is a very iconic class. Plus a we need a dps that uses swords. The icon for DPS is a sword for crying out loud. It's irritating that our two sword jobs are tanks.

So, Yoshida please take a hint. We want dancer and red mage.

Well, this one came from about 2 days of thinking, so here.

Pipe Dreams: Chemist

Weapon: Medic's Rifle
Role: Healer
Cross-class: ARC (Hawkeye, Raging Strikes, Quelling Strikes), LNC (Feint, Invigorate, Blood for Blood)

Abilities

01 Steady Shot - Delivers an attack with a potency of 150.
02 Basic Potion - Restores target's HP. Cure potency: 400. 2s cast time.
04 Toxic Dart - Delivers an attack with a potency of 30. Additional effect: Damage over time with a potency of 30 for 18s.
06 Medic's Kit - Reduces the potency of damaging abilities by 40% while causing all healing abilities to gain potency from your Dexterity. Cooldown: 5s. Effect ends upon reuse.
08 Pluto Vapors - Increases defense and magic defense of self and all party members. Does not stack with Protect. 2.5s cast time.
10 Mending Ampoule - Throw an ampoule at target area, healing friendly targets within 5y. Cure potency: 150. Additional effect: Creates a designated area that lasts for 12s and heals friendly targets that step inside every 3s. Cure potency: 80.
12 Remedy Dart - Removes a single detrimental effect from target.
15 Stim Dart - Grants a healing over time effect with cure potency of 200 for 9s. Cooldown: 30s.
18 Phoenix Pinion - Resurrects target in a weakened state. 6s cast time.
22 Aimed Shot - Delivers an attack with a potency of 190. Cast time: 1.5s.
26 Preparation - The next ability activates instantly. Cooldown: 90.
30 Advanced Potion - Restores target's HP. Cure potency: 600. 3s cast time. Requires Medic's Kit.
34 Tranquilizer Dart - Puts target to sleep for 30s. Damage taken cancels the effect. Cooldown: 15s.
38 Revitalizer - Restores own TP over time. Duration: 15s. Cooldown: 60s.
42 Receptiveness - Increases target's HP restored by spells or actions by 15% for 15s. Cooldown: 90s.
46 Tar Bomb - Covers target in tar, reducing their movement and attack speed by 10% for 15s. Additional effect: Creates a designated area at target's feet that afflicts all who enter with Weight. Duration: 15s. Cooldown: 60s.
50 Pluto Concentrate - Reduces target's damage taken by 20% for 10s. Cooldown: 120s. Cannot be reused on an individual for 60s from when the effect wears off.

Traits

08 Enhanced Dexterity
14 Potion Residue - Your healing potions have a 10% chance of leaving residue on target, increasing the healing received from the next Basic Potion or Advanced Potion by 10%. Duration: 10s.
16 Enhanced Dexterity II
20 Maim and Mend
24 Enhanced Dexterity III
28 Impact Casing - When a target under the effect of Stim Dart takes direct damage, Stim Dart is consumed and target receives the full heal amount.
32 Enhanced Remedy Dart - When Remedy Dart removes a detrimental effect, it also restores target's HP. Cure potency: 50.
36 Hasty Preparation - Reduces the cooldown of Preparation to 60s.
40 Maim and Mend II
44 Enhanced Toxic Dart - Extends the duration of Toxic Dart to 24s.
48 Enhanced Revitalizer - Revitalizer now also reduces the TP cost of all healing abilities by 50%.

Job Abilities

30 Catalyst - Applies an alchemical mixture that reacts to effects present on target. Cooldown: 15s.
-----Potion Residue - Restores target's HP. Cure potency: 300. Consumes Potion Residue.
-----Toxic Dart - Delivers an attack with a potency of 200.
-----Tar Bomb - Causes target to explode, dealing fire damage to target and nearby enemies with a potency of 120. Consumes Tar Bomb.
35 Conic Blast - Deals damage to targets in a cone before you with a potency of 110.
-----Medic's Kit: Restores HP to self and party members in a cone before you. Cure potency: 300. Cast time: 3s.
40 Corrosive Acid - Reduces target's resistance to damage by 10% for 10s. Cooldown: 120s.
45 Potion Bomb - Restores own HP and HP of all nearby party members. Cure potency: 300. Cooldown: 30s.
50 Megalixir - Restores 50% of own and party members' max HP over 12s. Cooldown: 180s. Requires Medic's Kit.
52 Volatile Mixture - Causes target to take additional fire damage with a potency of 50 whenever they take direct damage for 15s. Cooldown: 180s.
54 Primer - Causes the effect of the next reaction triggered by Catalyst to also affect allies or enemies near target if the effect is Potion Residue or Toxic Dart. Increases the damage dealt by Tar Bomb's Catalyst reaction to 200 potency. Duration: 10s. Cooldown: 90s.
56 Double Load - Causes your weapon to fire two of the next Stim Dart or Toxic Dart. The effects are applied independent of each other on target. Duration: 10s. Cooldown: 180s.
58 Sedative Dart - Reduces target's damage dealt by 10% for 10s. Cooldown: 90s.
60 Mad Alchemist's Potion - Applies one of three possible buffs on target for 20s. Cooldown: 90s.
-----Vigor: Attack Up 10%
-----Alacrity: Speed Up 10%
-----Ferocity: Critical Hit Rate Up 10%

Limit Break - Ultralixir

Notes
- I'm aware this does not fit in because the overall theme of Heavensward is "new ideas entering a mentally-closed society".
- CHM is built around heals that sort of build off each other and skills that react to each other. I've used CNJ's skill spread as a base and worked off that for the sake of pacing.
- Medic's Kit is basically the reverse of Cleric Stance, in that it puts you in healer mode with the needed penalties to balance out CHM's healing output. As such, a CHM out of healer stance is not going to have access to certain skills and have very weak heals.
- Because CHM uses TP, I figured it would need abilities that helped its upkeep (hence access to Invigorate and Revitalizer). I may still need to put in additional TP recovery skills, or maybe have Medic's Kit increase the amount of TP recovered while in combat.
- All "Dart" skills are instant and can be used while moving. Steady Shot can also be used while moving.
- Impact Casing is meant to help with tank healing, while the HoT portion of Stim Dart would work on a DPS or the other healer since they're usually not getting hit in the face. I was thinking of doing something like Stim Dart but AoE or affect the whole party, but that got a bit weird.
- For those that may not remember, Pluto is the substance the antagonist in the PGL questline smoked to become resistant to damage.
- Potion Residue is there to set the foundation for reactions. The effect is consumed if you use a potion on someone with Potion Residue or use Catalyst on that party member.
- It might be a bit OP for a healer to have 20% damage taken reduction AND 10% enemy damage reduction, but I feel it would be good utility. Of course, both are on lengthy cooldowns.
- The debuff from Pluto Concentrate is there to discourage raids stacking CHMs.
- Mad Alchemist's Potion can be replaced with a big AoE heal if needed, but I felt it fit the theme of CHM better. That and I can picture the effect for Mad Alch potion include your character cackling madly as they throw the potion at the target party member.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well looks like almost everyone includes Dancer and Red Mage.
Red Mage also has a good chance cause it is a very iconic class. Plus a we need a dps that uses swords. The icon for DPS is a sword for crying out loud. It's irritating that our two sword jobs are tanks.

So, Yoshida please take a hint. We want dancer and red mage.

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If we don't get Red Mage in 4.0, I'm going to riot... They've held that cover of the Art of Eorzea over me for too long... Perhaps there intent was just to have two Paladins on the cover, but you show me a sleek sword like that? I'll shout Fencer and I'll shout Red Mage! I want that rapier with an unholy passion, if I'm to be denied it for another year or two... Mrgrgr!

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Originally Posted by Nalien

If we don't get Red Mage in 4.0, I'm going to riot... They've held that cover of the Art of Eorzea over me for too long... Perhaps there intent was just to have two Paladins on the cover, but you show me a sleek sword like that? I'll shout Fencer and I'll shout Red Mage! I want that rapier with an unholy passion, if I'm to be denied it for another year or two... Mrgrgr!

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Don't worry. The rising event hinted at a sword wielding job, Ilberd (who is from Ala Mhigo) showed some red mage like abilities in the past, and 4.0 will be set in Ala Mhigo (140% sure of this). I'm guessing red mage and puppet master now, with dancer and samurai comming in 5.0 with Othard.

ORACLE
GEOMANCER
CALCULATOR

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Originally Posted by Mature

ORACLE
GEOMANCER
CALCULATOR

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What does a Oracle do and also what does a calculator do as a job?

There have been allusions to Lancer's of Ala Mhigo before, should we be actually going to the afore mentioned city state it would make sense to have a Templar introduced as a Tank job split off from the LNC class. The combination Spear and Shield is one of the oldest weapon sets in human history and has been found in many cultures through out the world. Surely a weapon system adopted by the African, Chinese, Greek, Native American, Roman and many others deserves some consideration.

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What does a Oracle do and also what does a calculator do as a job?

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Calculator was a class in FF Tactics, retranslated as Arithmetician, used a bunch of math to target people with spells through things like Level X (spell).

That one doesn't exactly have a place in an MMO...

Red Mage and Dancer are the two I most want in the game. I've seen both suggested as healers and damage dealers (and have made forum posts about how they might work in the realm of FFXIV in the past), and it honestly could work either way with how past iterations of the jobs have worked.

Geomancer would be a nice edition to the game as well. Though the mechanics of the job might differ greatly from past iterations. (FFT it was mainly damage for different types of terrain if I recall, and in FFXI geo was a healer). Not sure how they might implement it in XIV, probably tied to the conjurer's guild and padjal because of the elementals.

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What does a Oracle do and also what does a calculator do as a job?

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Oracle(mystic) was a buffer/debuffer casting job in the tactcs series
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Mystic_(Tactics)
Calculator used pretty much any spell(kind of a sage) but the drawbacks were to put parameters in like level 3 death etc instead of directly targetting your allies or enemies(drawback, healing your foes, or using death on allies)

I would love to see Psychic the Job from ffx2- (サイキッカー, Saikikkā), also known as Psychiccer in this game I think that this Job could work well in FFXIV.

Lot of people seem to want a Scythe-wielding Necromancer...and I'm right there with them!

Most people suggest the idea as a Pet-Class, akin to Summoner in some ways.
I'd instead propose a melee DPS with an emphasis on gaining a Stacking Buff as they damage and kill enemies, similar to Monk. Unlike Monk though, who get most of their DPS off of maintaining their buff[s] constantly, the Necromancer would instead continually build up and expend their stacks to perform both powerful attack and support spells. That's the idea I had anyway. Might try to think on and develop it more. Wanted to at least get it down somewhere.

only Idea I got is a Reflect skill, applied like Aldo or Stoneskin just it doesn't do the 10%HP wall instead it just "reflects" back 5-10% of all damnage delt back to attacker durring its timer (probably 10-15 seconds) this would also mean the person its cast on would still take full dmg just enemies take some as well & would probably work best used by a tank on themselves so a skill for a MP Mage Tank type or Magic Wall Tank

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only Idea I got is a Reflect skill, applied like Aldo or Stoneskin just it doesn't do the 10%HP wall instead it just "reflects" back 5-10% of all damnage delt back to attacker durring its timer (probably 10-15 seconds) this would also mean the person its cast on would still take full dmg just enemies take some as well & would probably work best used by a tank on themselves so a skill for a MP Mage Tank type or Magic Wall Tank

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One of the CDs from MRD/WAR has this ability with a reactive attacke against attacking eneymies with a potency of ~50

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well the game really strongly hints at Puppet master being the next class.

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I mean sure except for the fact they directly stated they aren't even considering puppetmaster for addition to the game...

I know I'll get flayed alive for suggesting it, but I'd love to have a healer that focuses on using its GCDs to support the party during the large amounts of healing downtime the game has. Abilities like Brave, Faith, etc with cast times and base MP costs, so it has to manage keeping buffs up whilst healing and managing MP. The abilities would be balanced enough that the raid dps they add equals the personal dps of whm/sch/ast. Obviously it would still have to have nukes and Cleric Stance, but they wouldn't be as pivotal to the job as they are for other healers. Currently the playstyle of all three healers in the game is focused solely around balancing dps and healing, which is perfectly fine and fun, but not when every healer has to use this same playstyle, so I think something like this would be a cool way to change things up for those who'd want it

For healers, maybe a Chemist (CHM)! Could mix potions that cause healing and regen for the party, add beneficial party buffs (such as a reflect damage, haste, damage increase etc), and do damage (fire potions for damage, ice potions for bind/slow).

Weapon could be a flask or beaker? Would gel nicely with SCH as opposed to the more "mythical" healers like WHM and AST.

I also like the idea of Blue Mage (BLU). It could be similar to Quistis in FFVIII and be a mid-range DPS with a whip. GCD attacks could be whip skills with the oGCD being abilities like Bad Breath and White Wind. I imagine it would have some support abilities like MCH or BRD, similar to traditional FF blue mages. The quests would be fun--go hunt down the mob to get its ability!

They seem to like giving the class a specific mechanic (NIN with signs, AST with cards), and I like that because I think it helps with the class identity, but I'm not sure what it would be in either case.

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For healers, maybe a Chemist (CHM)! Could mix potions that cause healing and regen for the party, add beneficial party buffs (such as a reflect damage, haste, damage increase etc), and do damage (fire potions for damage, ice potions for bind/slow).

Weapon could be a flask or beaker? Would gel nicely with SCH as opposed to the more "mythical" healers like WHM and AST.

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Biggest problem with Chemist is that it needs more to distinguish it from Alchemist. That was why I suggested a while ago in some other post that it could be merged with something like an artillery-themed job, because nothing makes a potion-theme job stand out more when those potions are being fired out of a bazooka.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

Is Bard really that bad?

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Right now it feels immensely strong if you have composition or emergencies enough to benefit from it's songs. It feels quite solid to me.

That said, I'm not about to shun ideas towards improvements. It could certainly be more pleasing in terms visuals, interactions, button-flow, etc. Like all other jobs. Or at least those short of objective perfection (all of them, likely for all time).


On topic:
I'm personally hoping 4.0 is not yet in Ala Mhigo, giving the devs more time to develop more systems reliant on a more free-form style of NPC interactions and story progression as to full appreciate all that that zone could be — a war-torn, occupied but still proud nation divided between new identity, more passively shaped, and reclaimed, where the exact nature of that which is sought is sometimes more vague than the forceful words of rebel leaders would suggest, where no one is purely good or evil, and we as the players may be forced to make some hard decisions, rather than having them made for us.

So, instead I'd like to make 4.0 a bit more linear than what I envision for Ala Mhigo, but ever bit as provoking, and perhaps more artistic, even mind****y, turning certain archetypes on their head, better realizing theories of Echo and other phenomena, and adding new paradoxes to the mix in an ominous yet beautiful, wild frontier setting where Sharlayan sciences and the myth of surrounding phenomena collide. Set in the surrounding lands to the events of Heavensward and those leading up to Ala Mhigo, primarily in Sharlayan, around Xelphatol, the far eastern Shroud, the coastal desert reaches beneath it, and the outskirts of Ala Mhigo just beyond that, 4.0 should give fitting setting to a new means of character development and skill acquisition, and with it: three new jobs, the Artificer, the Beastmaster, and the Wildling. These are hero classes, with detailed entry questlines, and should not be assumed to follow the same constraints as other jobs. Each has above the average number of skills available to it, but they must primarily be acquired through more active means.

The Artificer is a mobile mixed-range caster/fighter. His weapons are his manacles, through which he converts his force of soul (or whatever explanatory resource you see as fitting) through his linked elemental in the other plane. Theirs is a master-servant relationship, of a sort, though which is which is up for contest, and likely will be contested at certain points. This relationship isn't just fluff text; though all paths are viable, how one takes part in their dual- or linked life with the spirit will affect ability acquistion. As will consuming other spirits or their power... The artificer is massively complex, both in ways more akin to a fighting game and ways more nuanced or macrorotational than as yet seen. Its skill-floor for decent play is definitely on the higher end, and its skill cap, while varying from situation to situation (open world fights that can best make use of its utilities probably the highest, while general raid content may be less demanding) is probably higher than any current job. The artificer has only mild off-healing functionality, but its utilities, especially involving its plane shifts, elemental siphons, or magic consumption, can save lives, especially its own. Its mobility, minor threat control, and toolkit survivability can allow it to situationally tank — just not as a meat shield. Wears a unique cloth set.

The Beastmaster and Wildling are a bit less demanding, but may also require a largest breadth of knowledge, seeing as each beast companion or (related) personal attributes may bring about an almost entirely new playstyle. It and the Wildling are flip-sides to each other; where one uses a pet to expand his arsenal (externally and through synergies), the other functions more like a traditional Blue Mage with a side of a shapeshifting, often using skills learned from those same beasts, or their lords (nushi, the beasts above other beasts within their domain, or outright demigods, generally too rare or powerful to be fit to be a companion). The Beastmaster wields chain-weapons – from whips, to long flails, to urumi, to simply axes with chains holding them to the arms for easy retrieval after a throw. While classified technically as a melee, this makes them a master of the mid-range, especially when compounded with their pet control. The Beastmaster is generally durable, individually and especially as a combo, with decent unique utilities and snap-tanking capabilities that can substitute for a tank in a pinch, rotationally, or full-time in less dangerous contents. Wears leather.

The Wildling actually has two armor choices, mail (DRG) and leather (all other physical). These have varying synergies with certain monster skills, not especially significant on a skill-by-skill basis, but on the whole, combined with his monster skill choices, can determine whether the Wildling is better suited for tanking or dps, or even how. His main weapon is vaguely a short spear, similar to those of the Migration Period, equally useful for melee combat or throwing. These may take on all sorts of odd shapes, and may be discarded temporarily in certain morphed forms. The general idea is that while the Wildling is a match for the other two in versatility of range, it's due to his own unmatched potential for mobility. Morphed forms lend the Wildling a tremendous assortment of escapes and dashes, each with side benefits. The aesthetic of the Wildling is one "touched" by the elementals of the far eastern Shroud or the newly "sentient" environments near the Sharlayan lands, and not in a way they quite expected. Rather than tempered into vengeful slavery, they have been hardened by madness, and can walk the balance between it, rationally insane and humanly inhuman. Offense is generally their greatest defense, but they can take a punch and pack it back, often harder than it was delivered. Their kit includes passive, gameplay affecting traits along with the ability to pick as they desire from an expanded spell-pool, up to the same max skill count as other jobs. Depending on their kit, the Wildling can be a full-fledged tank, viable against any other within the contexts of any given content fight, and may further excel at certain balances between the two roles for such functions as dungeon speedrunning, though without overshadowing the others or its own dps or other hybrid kits. Tanking setups tend to use mail, while more mixed or purer dps setups use primarily leather. In this sense, they are probably the most versatile job in the game.

As for patch 5.0 (Ala Mhigo), though I'll save the lore details for another time:

- (c) Templar (a finesseful but no-nonsense longsword wielder who can stay his class for a Sword Saint feel, or swap to Mage Knight, which is a Mystic Knight developed, actually, to kill mages. Think HEMA.)

- (j) Mage Knight (see above. Now HEMA with runes/seals. Hybrid / Vanguard. More likely to stray from using the shared resources for pure dps and instead support the party when against magic damage or debuffs)

- (c) Fencer (the lighter, faster cohort of the Templar, wielding the rapier, side-sword, or so forth. Still winds a bit, but more interested in setups and overwhelming the enemy through accrued or more gradually created openings, more detailed combos, etc., than in the physicality of self vs. opponent. In short, less likely to simply let an enemy attack pass by, tossing the attacker to the ground and stabbing it through the neck; more likely to overwhelm it in a flurry of attacks. Highly tactical, though its adrenaline junky components of attention-intensive, rapid setup and payoff might not appeal to all.)

- (j) Red Mage (all Fencer weaponskills and related ability have an elemental nuance to them. The Red Mage plays off that, weaving sword and spells. The Red Mage sacrifices a bit of physical defense and weapon-inflicted enfeeblement capabilities for spellbound utilities that greatly broaden its range and role. The Red Mage is indeed short of a master in any particular output form, his tanking for one shoddy at best in any traditional or meat-tank point of comparison, but mastering the flow of each and the abilities behind them (resources largely shared between roles, allowing near full capability in each role without having to limit overall versatility) produces top-line raid contribution. Shares Artificer's unique cloth set.

- (j) Adept (No base class. Though filling a similar spell-fighter type alongside the Red Mage, the Adept and the Red Mage are still more different in button-flow and considerations thereto than even, say, a Summoner and a Monk. Wielding a Staff, the Adept is quick and graceful, kicking and spinning and striking and blasting enemies back with wind and water and earth, with a much greater focus on the self than as present in the Fencer or its Red Mage job, capable of buffing oneself to great heights. The feel of the Adept is a bit like a dancing specter, familiar yet foreign, nostalgic but unpredictable. Though its outcomes are reliable, its build-up is so analog, based on internal resources rather than hard buffs or related durations, that the same strategy against the same opponent may quickly take on very different gameplay. To those new to the job, the Adept may seem a faceroll job that works itself out or just somehow fails to do so; to the experienced it is a gambler, and investor, who demands you go along for the ride and often enjoy what's given more than keeping your eyes on a preset goal; to the veteran, it's one hell of a dance, with potentially terrifyingly good outputs that somehow manage to generally avoid the balancing swing of poor RNG. Between the capabilities of a Fencer and Monk for tanking, which is to say, only in a pinch — with high control and toolkit like the prior, but faintly less passive survivability than the latter — and about as capable as a Red Mage for combat kiting, which is to say pretty damn great, probably the best in the game, capable of multiple groups of enemies from multiple approach angles in range of melee allies or colliding for party AoEs without hardly reaching the Adept himself. That is, until immunities. Shares Artificer's unique cloth set.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

Biggest problem with Chemist is that it needs more to distinguish it from Alchemist. That was why I suggested a while ago in some other post that it could be merged with something like an artillery-themed job, because nothing makes a potion-theme job stand out more when those potions are being fired out of a bazooka.

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I'm down with a potion-flinging bazooka!

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Originally Posted by Alisane

I'm down with a potion-flinging bazooka!

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I actually made a concept for it a while back, calling it "Grenadier", having it in BRD/MCH gear with a bazooka as the weapon, and providing a stance that turned all your basic attacks into heals (Potion Shells) and a stance that empowered your basic attack damage at higher cost (Mortar Shells).

That was job concept #4 out of what is now 17 and counting.....

So in FFVIII (as far as I played it) Squall was able to slash *and* fire his gun if you pressed the button at the right time. So I was thinking a gunblade class would have ogcds revolving around firing your gun, and in the end a gcd would be used to reload.

Of course I haven't put much more thought than that into it...but it'd be cool :D

Also Blue Mage tank ftw

Every time I see someone wanting beast master as a tank, I wish i could reach through their monitors and strangle them.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

So in FFVIII (as far as I played it) Squall was able to slash *and* fire his gun if you pressed the button at the right time. So I was thinking a gunblade class would have ogcds revolving around firing your gun, and in the end a gcd would be used to reload.

Of course I haven't put much more thought than that into it...but it'd be cool :D

Also Blue Mage tank ftw

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Gunblade class would be cool..

We really lack two-handed dps jobs. Samurai could be our next one but if it's a tank then we will have 4 tanks with e using 2-handed weapons and only 1 dps(DRG)

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We really lack two-handed dps jobs. Samurai could be our next one but if it's a tank then we will have 4 tanks with e using 2-handed weapons and only 1 dps(DRG)

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Why I'm more of the mindset that Samurai will be a DPS job, not a tank. Probably something that uses some small hits in order to line up one massive strike (>400).

"What would be the tank then" you ask? Well I'm sure at least one dev has managed to figure out that a job doesn't need plate armor to be a tank....

Happy to see that we are getting RDM and Samurai in StormBlood.

Be great to see a Job that uses a Chain with a spiked ball attached to it what that Job could do is another question lol.

I'm really happy for RDM and Samurai.

Now I thought of Puppetmaster and Necromancer as there is undead and puppet within the game. It sounds logical to me that someone in this world know about theses arts

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I am guilty of over using images and other media often in my discussions to get my point across. While I know it can come off as obnoxious, I truly believe it's the best way to convey to the developers what it is exactly what we want.

that being said...

I would like to see the idea of the Mystic Knight (Owl)/ Necromancer (Voidsent familiar, ect) re- imagined as a Scythe using DPS that has a pet not unlike DRG of FFXI. Where as the SMN/ SCH support and command their pet the Mystic Knight/ Necromancer is able to either let their pet do all of the attacking while they support the party /debuff the the mobs, conversely they can choose to to go melee and have the pet hang back, buff the Mystic Knight/ Necromancers attacks (heavy melee DPS, light Tank). I think this would allow for a class/ job that can change up they way it is played depending on the enemy numbers, party composition, ect. Also it would give the players the option of a lightly armored robe combination aesthetic, speed like attacker wielding a giant Scythe. Whats not to like?

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20150815074617
(Zasalamel Soul Calibur series)

http://cs421222.vk.me/v421222207/f0b/FSWjpDq8xas.jpg
(Dhuum Guild Wars God of Death)

http://haikai.net/gallery/DervishNew.jpg
(Dervish class Guild Wars 2)

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I know this is a resurrection/necropost but I couldn't let it pass that Alacran nailed on the "necromancer" with voidsent that had the voidsent buff the heavy dps-like job for Endwalker.
Stumbled on this post/comment while googling something else lol


NOICE job ALACRAN!

Shepherd. Disciple of the Land.

Use non-combat actions to bait and tame a monster (only specific monsters can be tamed). Maybe actions would involve "luring" and "trapping" the creature.
The tamed monster is then added to your own breeding/raising instanced area. (Maybe tie this with the island thing)
You can then use shepherd-specific actions tied to its own "minigame" like interface where you "gather" skin/fur/bone from the monster.
You always get a minimum amount, but you can increase quality and amount depending on how well you do it/what actions you use.

You can have a max amount of X monsters and gathering from them is time-gated. So it would take between 1~X Eorzean days before they're reset for gathering again. The minimum and maximum amount you get per turn would have to compensate the wait.

This would make the process of getting material for leather, hide, etc, less reliant on having lv80+ players wandering around lower level areas wiping everything leaving nothing to whatever random low level player is questing. It's either that or retainers atm.

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Shepherd. Disciple of the Land.

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I've read somewhere that this was originally meant to be added to the game.
But they scraped it.