As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

Venjamin, I would like to know your opinion on the OP. It's clear that you think that healers not DPSing is fine. Is it because it's not pat of their "job" so to speak? If your answer is no, could you please address the damage mitigation argument presented in the op? If your answer is yes, then would you agree that you are simply acknowledging that these healers aren't performing their job anywhere close to maximum potential and you're just okay with it for any number reasons (likely that it's just not worth discussing in game, which is fair, i feel that way as well)

I'm just trying to be clear. I feel like the point of the op was lost on you a little bit.

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Originally Posted by Venjamin

Also, nice job dodging the point of other players adjusting playstyle to make the game more fun for everyone. =x

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I'll address this.

I take issue. I play both healer and tank often (SCH i230, DRK i205, currently leveling WAR lvl 53). Now, if I'm tanking and I pull a normal sized pull because that's what I'm comfortable with, and I am using every gcd to keep hate and then maximizing dps, should I feel pressure to pull more because the healer finds time to stand there?

No, that's not fair. The expectation should be that everyone comes into the instance and pulls their weight. I know that's unrealistic to expect, but expecting everyone to happily accommodate slackers is even more so.

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I'm just trying to be clear. I feel like the point of the op was lost on you a little bit.

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My issue is that it's being looked at in a formless void, without the perspective of context. Do I think a level 60 who got stuck in Sastasha who turns on Selene and /follow's is a good healer? Absolutely not. Not even an adequate healer. Selene is an adequate healer, in that instance. I would even go so far as to ask them to participate, or again, would up the ante and force them to work a little bit. With the entire argument, not just this well-reasoned aspect of it, I am all about enjoyment. Small pulls are boring, so I DPS to stay engaged. But I massively prefer to be in a heal intensive fight. I had so much fun in Final Steps of Faith that I keep hoping to get queue'd into it. But in DF, I'd -much- rather we go bonkers and pull 3 or 4 trash heaps and make the fight actually worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

I'll address this.

I take issue. I play both healer and tank often (SCH i230, DRK i205, currently leveling WAR lvl 53). Now, if I'm tanking and I pull a normal sized pull because that's what I'm comfortable with, and I am using every gcd to keep hate and then maximizing dps, should I feel pressure to pull more because the healer finds time to stand there?

No, that's not fair. The expectation should be that everyone comes into the instance and pulls their weight. I know that's unrealistic to expect, but expecting everyone to happily accommodate slackers is even more so.

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Now hold on - you were talking about maximizing Healer efficiency in the previous post. Would you not then agree that maximizing a tank's gameplay should be focused on as well? Why shouldn't we be pushing a tank's comfort zone to improve, if we're asking healers to do the same, all for the sake of maximizing efficiency / minimizing DF time? If all three roles 'maximized' their efficiency, dungeons would be cleared quite quickly ( in my opinion - I do not have numbers to back this claim, just experience with an excellent tank who can pull multiple groups. )

Healers can't slack if the tank won't allow it. =P

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Originally Posted by Venjamin

Why shouldn't we be pushing a tank's comfort zone to improve, if we're asking healers to do the same

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You weren't here on 2.4-3.1 with the hordes of str tanks now were you?

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So, you would say that a healer who fails to DPS is slacking, but just that you're willing to change to accommodate them. That's fine, it works for you. You don't try to argue that the Healer is contributing when they're really not.

I don't think comparing a Tank who's not pulling wall to wall to a healer who's literally idling for a few GCDs at a time is a remotely accurate analogy, however. If the tank pulls a normal pull and is utilizing every GCD (and oGCD) appropriately to keep hate and then do damage, that's a satisfactory level of gameplay. Healers doing nothing is unsatisfactory. You can't put the two on even footing. Now, if a tank can pull a few packs without causing wipes and the tank KNOWS this, then I say go for it. However, do I think it's part of the definition of satisfactory play? No. It's exceptional play, but not necessary play. Healers (or, let's be honest, anyone) contributing something meaningful to the group every GCD? That's satisfactory, non-exceptional play. Is the distinction clear?

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Originally Posted by mp-please

You weren't here on 2.4-3.1 with the hordes of str tanks now were you?

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Nay - I started when Heavensward was released because Astrologians looked amazing. Imagine my dismay finding I had to go through SO MUCH MSQ to unlock them. xD

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So, you would say that a healer who fails to DPS is slacking, but just that you're willing to change to accommodate them. That's fine, it works for you. You don't try to argue that the Healer is contributing when they're really not.

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This is where I feel that context is so very necessary. In trash pulls, when there's literally nothing else to do, definitely. During boss fights where healing might be needed regularly, where mistakes can be made, etc, there's no reason not to push the heals if you don't risk overhealing, etc. Even then, re-upping Stoneskin, doing other oGCD actions don't hurt, do they? DF isn't just the leveling queue. Maybe it's also my lack of experience / gear level / or the groups I run with, but outside of trash pulls, boss fights can be challenging. DF isn't just 4 man content, right? I DF'd into Final Steps of Faith. It was awesome.

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I don't think comparing a Tank who's not pulling wall to wall to a healer who's literally idling for a few GCDs at a time is a remotely accurate analogy, however. If the tank pulls a normal pull and is utilizing every GCD (and oGCD) appropriately to keep hate and then do damage, that's a satisfactory level of gameplay. Healers doing nothing is unsatisfactory. You can't put the two on even footing. Now, if a tank can pull a few packs without causing wipes and the tank KNOWS this, then I say go for it. However, do I think it's part of the definition of satisfactory play? No. It's exceptional play, but not necessary play. Healers (or, let's be honest, anyone) contributing something meaningful to the group every GCD? That's satisfactory, non-exceptional play. Is the distinction clear?

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I can't say I've ever tanked trash pulls and felt pressured to keep aggro, if I'm being totally honest. Even damage mitigation is eh at best. Single pulls to spam AOE taunts and your DPS rotation is satisfactory? Again, it may be lack of experience / groups talking ( and I absolutely admit to being fairly new on the scene ).

Part of me wonders if this doesn't have something to do with the mentality of other games coming in to this one. I've never encountered healer DPS in non-PVP situations before now, which is why the healing feels so bland and effortless.

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Nay - I started when Heavensward was released because Astrologians looked amazing. Imagine my dismay finding I had to go through SO MUCH MSQ to unlock them. xD

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In a nutshell a certain youtuber was around spreading the word on how full str was so good and how tanks, warriors mostly could do the same dps as a dps class and how str was great for every tank as it helped them to keep aggro. So pretty a good amount of tanks, newbies included jumped in that bandwagon and were going full str.
While it worked quite well for those who knew how to tank, those who had no idea what defensive cooldowns were made every single healer life a living hell as they were barely tankier than a dps and yet still wanted to pull big, and as you might've noticed, ARR dungeons have a lot of space for large pulls unlike HW dungeons.

At the same time tank stance dancing became popular too, i got to the point i had to heal through a large pull with a full str pld (like 7k hp) on sword oath. Holy was absolutely required back then as stun was like a mini hallowed ground to keep these people alive. Good times.

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Sounds hectic in all the right ways. Were healers expected to DPS as hard as they are now, during that time?

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Originally Posted by Venjamin

Sounds hectic in all the right ways. Were healers expected to DPS as hard as they are now, during that time?

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Wouldn't say expected but a dpsing healer would be a godsend with pulls as big as ARR dungeons allowed mainly when nins and monks had literally no aoe. WHM dps was welcomed specially due the holy stun and holy being the 2nd strongest aoe skill back then (1st being flare), scholar could also heal in cleric as lustrate was based on hp % rather than having a fixed potency.

At some point some tanks even took a hatred towards healers dpsing because we weren't babysitting them enough and demanding them to actually use cooldowns even though then and even now healers do a lot more dps than any tank can do at max efficiency.

People are mostly expecting healers to dps right now since tanks have ridiculous of hp, are able to self heal, pulls are conditioned through barriers with a 5mob/pull average and mobs in those pulls hit like wet noodles. But yea right now things are a lot more peaceful, those tanks realized cooldowns are to be used and with so much vit its rare to be surprised by damage spikes like crits.

I get what Venjamin is saying and I sometimes do it too, healer standing there alot doing nothing? Ok ill pull more and make them work harder.

But it doesn't really help since they still don't use offensive skills. Holy is better mitigation than Cure II when your fighting 12 mobs but they still dont do it. Usually ends up with a wipe.

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Originally Posted by mp-please

In a nutshell a certain youtuber was around spreading the word on how full str was so good and how tanks, warriors mostly could do the same dps as a dps class and how str was great for every tank as it helped them to keep aggro. So pretty a good amount of tanks, newbies included jumped in that bandwagon and were going full str.

At the same time tank stance dancing became popular too, i got to the point i had to heal through a large pull with a full str pld (like 7k hp) on sword oath. Good times.

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A PLD using Sword Oath in a mass pull when it has no AoE... *Cringe.* Right, reduce the healer's actually existent, and legitamately powerful, AoE, for your auto-attack damage...
I could see dropping Shield Oath just before CoS and then turning it right back on, maybe. But that's it.

At least some of us will now Clemency when Bulwark/Awareness aren't up instead. Yay greater AoE uptime.

(Btw, anyone remember that one Shield to Sword swap bug that let you have Shield Oath enmity during Sword Oath damage...?)

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A PLD using Sword Oath in a mass pull when it has no AoE... *Cringe.* Right, reduce the healer's actually existent, and legitamately powerful, AoE, for your auto-attack damage...
I could see dropping Shield Oath just before CoS and then turning it right back on, maybe. But that's it.

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It was on the 2nd large pull on wanderer's palace HM after the 2nd boss, you know that one path with 3 totems? And the madman pulled them all on sword oath, full str.
Needless to say it was a wipe. But the funny part is that i did kept him alive, he just didn't kept aggro from me, once holy stuns ran out everything was on me :rolleyes:

The other thing to point out is that healers dps (I don't play ast, disclaimer) is most effective on large groups. So if you're pulling big, the healer can put out even more mitigation than usual by dpsing. If they're still just standing there healing, that's a major handicap as far as putting down a large group quickly is concerned.

I see you point, and as I said, out works for you. But can we agree that a tank pulling normal is standard play, and a healer just healing and then idling is sub-standard, so it's really not fair to compare?

Furthermore, yes, the mentality that healers should only heal definitely comes from other games. FFXIV never encourages healers to only heal, in fact quite the opposite.

I would argue that single group pulling is satisfactory play. If you pull one group and then rotate your dps combo, that group dies faster than if you're spamming your hate combo/aoe hate skill on all the mobs in a large pull, because your dps is lower. The goal of a large pull is that the dps can use their aoe skills effectivity to clear the pull faster, but as far as tanking is concerned, both are efficient. Therefore both are acceptable play for a tank.

I would say pulling large is better only if there's actually a Dps increase because of it. The tank has actually losses dps on a big pull. So whether or not it's worth it depends on the skill of the Dps (not to mention of your healers dpsing or not, as mentioned in my prior post, an only healing healer might actually hurt you in a big pull because they're losing so much mitigation)

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I think it's a question of what we are considering satisfactory, though. If "boring" is satisfactory, then I'd rather go beyond satisfactory. Additional DPS isn't more fun, it's just slightly more engaging than standing around, you know? I'd much rather be on the precipice of defeat 90% of the time. It would promote heal-only gameplay that isn't inherently terrible. Tanks would be more engaged because it'd require actual forethought to hold that much aggro. DPS would be more engaged to get ever-higher numbers. =x

But this is just an opinion.

To me it's simple. There is no excuse. If you're standing there doing nothing and the choice is either:
a) Wait until someone needs a heal (add shielding to this bracket if you wish)...
b) Help kill something (things die quicker and less healing is needed in general)...

The right answer should be blatantly obvious. The only reasons I've seen to defend option a) often boils down to "It's not my job" or "I don't want to" or some variation, which I find mind-boggling as this simply means you have less to do and whatever content you're currently in takes longer in the process for all involved. Naturally we're talking situations where tanks are actually tanky and there are no aggro concerns so you have a bit of freedom. If you notice the tank is squishier than usual and/or he can't aggro a plastic bag without flailing around like a lunatic, then you have reason for caution. It's at a point where I hate being the non-Healer because 90% I've met today just stand there watching healthy players waiting to press Cure, when the mob could have been killed a minute ago. Nobody will ever question that Healing is top priority - but if you can see after a while that your tank is decent, you speed everything up even with minor contributions during downtime, nevermind actual rotations (I go full ham whenever I can) - but most choose not to.

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I think it's a question of what we are considering satisfactory, though

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I agree with most of that you're saying, honestly. I'd rather all roles play beyond satisfactorily as well. Ideally everyone should be pushing the envelope of what they're capable of all the time.

But, it's off topic. This thread was simply about trying to define what should be standard (think: minimum) acceptable play for healers. And if the healer is doing less than what is standard, sure it would be nice if the other players played exceptionally to cover the deficit, but that shouldn't be the expectation. The expectation should be everyone comes to the instance and pulls their own weight.

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Fair. I think it might also be a perspective on the span of "healer" vs "support." If you look at MOBAs, they call their supports just that, even if they are a healer class, you know. Support makes it more open-ended, I think, and is easier to focus on "how do I support" rather than "what is minimum acceptable for 'healer.'" The confusion evaporates because a lot of people assume minimum acceptable for healer will be... healing.

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Fair. I think it might also be a perspective on the span of "healer" vs "support." If you look at MOBAs, they call their supports just that, even if they are a healer class, you know. Support makes it more open-ended, I think, and is easier to focus on "how do I support" rather than "what is minimum acceptable for 'healer.'" The confusion evaporates because a lot of people assume minimum acceptable for healer will be... healing.

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Oh, agree 100%. It's totally a perspective issue. Some people have just gotten the idea from the "healing" name attached to the roles that it's limited to healing only. Which is why we discuss it on the forums, to hopefully clear up the misconception in the most respectful way possible.

I also prefer to think of myself as a combat healer/support type role.

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Fair. I think it might also be a perspective on the span of "healer" vs "support." If you look at MOBAs, they call their supports just that, even if they are a healer class, you know. Support makes it more open-ended, I think, and is easier to focus on "how do I support" rather than "what is minimum acceptable for 'healer.'" The confusion evaporates because a lot of people assume minimum acceptable for healer will be... healing.

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Not just that, I noticed a decent proportion of people who purport healers heal only come from WOW. I fully understand their perspective because stuff hits harder in WoW, the Heals were less potent and the Mana drain was heavier.

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Oh, agree 100%. It's totally a perspective issue. Some people have just gotten the idea from the "healing" name attached to the roles that it's limited to healing only. Which is why we discuss it on the forums, to hopefully clear up the misconception in the most respectful way possible.

I also prefer to think of myself as a combat healer/support type role.

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Well in defense of the meta regardless of people's perspectives, the early healer story quests give a good idea of what is "expected" of the Healer Roles.

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Well in defense of the meta regardless of people's perspectives, the early healer story quests give a good idea of what is "expected" of the Healer Roles.

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I started playing on a new server to play with some real-life friends and been leveling Conjurer. I'm at 20 something and I haven't healed at all yet. One time actually outside of DF dungeons and it was a quest where you have to cure some random npc.

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I started playing on a new server to play with some real-life friends and been leveling Conjurer. I'm at 20 something and I haven't healed at all yet. One time actually outside of DF dungeons and it was a quest where you have to cure some random npc.

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iirc the only questline that actually have you heal is AST storyline, and its nothing combat related, it's just a "heal this dude".

"As a healer, is it my job to DPS?"
If the alternative is standing around and doing nothing: Of course it is. (Provided you have the mana to spare)

Though, when I tank I'd rather have a healer that doesn't DPS over one that constantly derps on cleric and lets people die. If you can't do the dance, admit to it and focus on your main objective.

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Though, when I tank I'd rather have a healer that doesn't DPS over one that constantly derps on cleric and lets people die. If you can't do the dance, admit to it and focus on your main objective.

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Practice makes perfect. I won't lie and say I've never goofed and let people die. Or that I overestimated the tankiness of a tank and let them drop due to their gear etc.

The best part of DF IMO is that it allows you to adapt to all kinds of different situations. Now if a healer constantly let's the party die over and over while sitting in Clerics that is a whole other issue in itself.

Again, this thread isn't meant to address those that are not capable of using cleric stance with stability. It's about those that could and don't.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

"As a healer, is it my job to DPS?"
If the alternative is standing around and doing nothing: Of course it is. (Provided you have the mana to spare)

Though, when I tank I'd rather have a healer that doesn't DPS over one that constantly derps on cleric and lets people die. If you can't do the dance, admit to it and focus on your main objective.

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This is the reason people are anxious and don't try to DPS. I'm pro healer DPS. I think you're wasting time if standing around. But WHEN are they going to learn if they aren't allowed to make a derp stance dance mistake at some point? This comment alone is probably why healers just heal. Afraid to make even a single mistake to learn.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

"As a healer, is it my job to DPS?"
If the alternative is standing around and doing nothing: Of course it is. (Provided you have the mana to spare)

Though, when I tank I'd rather have a healer that doesn't DPS over one that constantly derps on cleric and lets people die. If you can't do the dance, admit to it and focus on your main objective.

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I posted this in the other thread but it's relevant here too:
"What happens if I DPS and someone dies?"
I was reviewing some fflogs for some fight research, and came to the realization that if a Healer DPSs AND someone DIES it's STILL a net GAIN in DPS and duty clear than a zero DPS Healer.

For example if a Healer is doing 400 DPS for the whole dungeon, and a DPS is doing 800 DPS and the DPS dies, causing him to lose some DPS (50-100 DPS seems to be the operative amount over a fight per death) you're still up by 250-350 DPS. So seriously don't sweat letting people die in the beginning of learning. Unless you let a bunch of people die a bunch over a fight, it's still better.

So most of the time, it's still better if they derp and someone dies than just standing around. So please let them derp while learning.

I've derped in CS before.

Once I let the tank get really low and then I switched out of cleric and popped lustrate. What I didn't realize is that I had dropped target before the lustrate went off. Ouch. Caused a wipe. Everyone was SUPER chill and understanding though. Mistakes happen no matter what role you play!

Of course, the tank I got in Gubal chewed me the f out when my CS didn't queue properly and I let him die. Also caused a wipe. You know what I did? I dropped and took the penalty. I don't have to deal with jerks at any time. Found something affirming to do for thirty minutes. I have no idea if they got an in-progress healer, but I hope they had to not progress until they did.

All this to say, even pro DPS healers who have tried to learn to do it since they started the game still screw up and people can be either chill or buttheads about it. Whatever, everyone screws up from time to time, should that stop you from learning and trying something new? Just forget them :)

I have yet to derp in CS, but it's still only pre-50 days for me. Came close a few times, though, and thanks to very sticky ICD of dancing, I've caught myself stuck healing in CS a few times, but usually notice and remedy this pretty quickly. If asking whether to/not-to DPS:

- Can the tank hold aggro?
- Can the tank sustain damage, or does he get sliced in half by a trash mob AA?
- How high is the overall DPS?
- How confident am I in my MP?

These can be sussed comfortably after the first few pulls usually. If the DPS is decent, things are dying quicker (less healing). If the tank isn't getting obliterated anytime trash fart in his direction, less MP & healing needed. If he can also hold aggro, less healing. Result? Enter that Cleric stance and go nuts. Since reading these threads almost every low level Healer I've encountered has been of the 'stand and stare / wait to heal' persuasion and it's driving me mad, ESPECIALLY when I'm tanking (ironic).

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"As a healer, is it my job to DPS?"
If the alternative is standing around and doing nothing: Of course it is. (Provided you have the mana to spare)

Though, when I tank I'd rather have a healer that doesn't DPS over one that constantly derps on cleric and lets people die. If you can't do the dance, admit to it and focus on your main objective.

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Everyone occasionally derps on clerics.
Sometimes when your last cast was a non-instant GCD spell and you pressed Clerics to early and it didn't que.
Sometimes you think clerics didn't que and then press it to find out that it did and you just re-entered clerics for 5 secs (rip tank).

Mistakes happen, wipes happen, but just because a wipe can happen doesn't mean a healer shouldn't try and DPS. If you were to take the amount of time saved over the career of a healer who DPS even with the occasional wipe over one who doesn't, the one who DPSs is still going to clear stuff faster.

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This is the reason people are anxious and don't try to DPS. I'm pro healer DPS. I think you're wasting time if standing around. But WHEN are they going to learn if they aren't allowed to make a derp stance dance mistake at some point? This comment alone is probably why healers just heal. Afraid to make even a single mistake to learn.

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I did write "CONSTANTLY DERPS", did I?
Ofc mistakes will be made. I'm healing for years now and I still sometimes err in judgment an people die.
That is simply the nature of the dance, combined with randoms you don't know. No one will diss you for it.

I think the best way to learn how to dance is 50-60. These dungeons are perfect in terms of damage in low/high phases in order to get accustomed to cleric usage.
Expert ones are basically "throw stones/Halo" 80%+ of the time.

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Sometimes you think clerics didn't que and then press it to find out that it did and you just re-entered clerics for 5 secs (rip tank).

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Oh yeah I know that feeling. >.<

There has not been a single issue more divisive or make me consider unsubscribing than this issue. You guys understand this is unsustainable, right? The devs cannot release and balance new healers because of the obsession with DPS.

The devs have one way out: destroy healer DPS. In no other game is an entire archetype forced to stance dance like a World of Warcraft Vanilla Warrior. We have all three healers all required to play like an anachronism of class design from the early 2000's. It's complete class homogenization. They have to design new healing archetypes around this Conjurer-only ability. Worse, it's unnecessary, community enforced homogenization. The content doesn't require your healer to DPS.

I cannot wait for the devs to destroy healer DPS. But, I'll settle for them letting our DoTs and Nukes scale with MND like they do in every other rationally developed game if they're actually intent on healers DPSing.

There's something that I don't quite understand. If the developers want healers to dps, then why did they remove accuracy from healer gear? Have they given a reason for this? It's kind of annoying that I have to meld accuracy to every piece of gear and even my sch anima weapon just so I can hit enemies. It seems to go against what the game tells us in the hall of the novice.

On a related note, I recall them adjusting the expert dungeons because healers without melds were missing too often. So they take away accuracy on gear and then realize that healers missing in ex dungeons is a problem? If anyone can shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

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There has not been a single issue more divisive or make me consider unsubscribing than this issue. You guys understand this is unsustainable, right? The devs cannot release and balance new healers because of the obsession with DPS.
The devs have one way out: destroy healer DPS.

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Not at all.

FF differs from games like WoW in design intent. A healer is not a pure healer. More of a support class.
In most of WoWs content you simply do not have the mana or the GCDs to spare in order to DPS (Disc excluded due to mechanics). Coupled with a 1.5s baseline GCD and notoriously spiky damage, that makes healing VERY stressful.

FF takes a different approach in order to avoid said stress. Your main job is to heal, but the game is designed in a way that gives you breathers (phases with very low incoming DPS) which you can fill with trowing stones yourself.

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On a related note, I recall them adjusting the expert dungeons because healers without melds were missing too often. So they take away accuracy on gear and then realize that healers missing in ex dungeons is a problem? If anyone can shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

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I think they simply use accuracy (or lack there of) to make healers less effective in raid content w/o harming their solo DPS.
They probably had to address expert hit chances because current expert mobs hit like wet noodles and every Healer DPSes 80% of his time. Combine that with crap accuracy and it gets very unfun.

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Originally Posted by KeiranOlive

There's something that I don't quite understand. If the developers want healers to dps, then why did they remove accuracy from healer gear? Have they given a reason for this? It's kind of annoying that I have to meld accuracy to every piece of gear and even my sch anima weapon just so I can hit enemies. It seems to go against what the game tells us in the hall of the novice.

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They did a total reset in the power creep and accuracy on HW release, you can say that on the beginning of 3.0 we were as strong vs the content as we were back on 2.0 (maybe not as much due the whole lack of tome gear and such back on 2.0, but similar ish).

But yea 2.0 gear didn't had a single point of accuracy either. It only became a issue on expert dungeons because they put the accuracy requirement for the early experts way higher than intended, they mentioned it in a PLL.

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There's something that I don't quite understand. If the developers want healers to dps, then why did they remove accuracy from healer gear? Have they given a reason for this? It's kind of annoying that I have to meld accuracy to every piece of gear and even my sch anima weapon just so I can hit enemies. It seems to go against what the game tells us in the hall of the novice.

On a related note, I recall them adjusting the expert dungeons because healers without melds were missing too often. So they take away accuracy on gear and then realize that healers missing in ex dungeons is a problem? If anyone can shed some light on this I would appreciate it.

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This was a pre-emptive move with Gordias. With the fight design revolving around a tight DPS check (thus also a lot of its difficulty), it relegates Healer DPS to being RnG, they wanted you to choose between HPS output/HP and DPS consistency. This is primarily to prevent or delay early progression.

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This was a pre-emptive move with Gordias. With the fight design revolving around a tight DPS check (thus also a lot of its difficulty), it relegates Healer DPS to being RnG, they wanted you to choose between HPS output/HP and DPS consistency. This is primarily to prevent or delay early progression.

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TL;DR: screw players, let's not only make the worst DPS check in the game but also completely remove a stat from one of the roles!

If I can find a window to DPS as a WHM I will always join the fray. If anything, I throw down Aero dots and Virus every chance I get.
I only focus on healing fully when we're doing a dungeon or a raid that requires full attention when damage happens to anyone every .5 seconds.

Funny thing - I haven't healed a single Void Ark in the last several weeks. I throw down the occasional Medica 2 and Asylum, but overall it's easy to one heal the party =p Commendations for weeks.

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Originally Posted by Megotaku

In no other game is an entire archetype forced to stance dance like a World of Warcraft Vanilla Warrior.

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Have you even played WoW ...?
I was stance dancing all the time as a Druid and Priest in dungeon and raid content.

While main healers didn't stance dance much (though with Druids it still happened) the off-healer definitely stance danced.
Why does it matter what every other game does? This is this game, not those other games. If this was those other games I wouldn't be playing it and neither would you. Healers were specifically designed to DPS. Gripe about it all you want, but you're not going to make the devs change their mind because a bunch of players want to be lazy and play ez-mode.