Duality

A boring cooldown that they should either totally rework and remove from the game...
I've the feeling they lacked idea for the ninja 58-60 skills...
Dream within a Dream suffer from the same issue.

Both skills are fine. Duality may seem boring to you but it is pretty useful for your dps...

Duality makes only sense if its used for AE because of the potency. If you like it or not.

Oh you did? I would love to see your proof for that. Don't try to tell me you are that pro until you proof you are right and everyone else is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kingkoz

You say no never do that but you are probably one of these forum math junkies who barely ever puts abilities into actual practice

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Well, it isn't hard to use it on either Aeolian Edge or Armor Crush, both of which would be better. I can see that it can be tricky to always use it with Aeolian Edge in an actual fight when you also have to provide the slashing debuff for your party and have downtime, but shadow fang? Uhm...that just seems like a waste.

I personally start off with Suiton - SE - Jug - GS - Kassatsu - AE/DE, depending - B4B - SE - Int Release - SF - Trick Attack - Muti - Raiton/Fuma - SE - DWD - GS - Duality - AE - Mug. From then on, it depends on the fight! I can comfortably alternate DE and AC combo while keeping up my DoTs and use the rest more or less on CD, but sometimes, I might hold abilities a bit for burst phases. Even on a Plasma Shield where you can only hit the front, though, it's better to use Duality on Dancing Edge or even Armor Crush than Shadow Fang. You got 10 seconds after Trick Attack hits, so that fits 4 GCD abilities and 4 OGCD abilities without troubles. I don't see why you wouldn't use it on "any" of the 3 combo finishers instead, all of which are a better choice even without hitting the positional (even more so if you do).

Edit: Added note about R2+L2 usage.

There's a lot of posts in here talking about using macros to optimize the limit hotbar options for controller. Here's a trick I use to create a lot more hotbar space. I first developed it for my summoner, but now I use it for everything.

I map L2+up to the following macro:
/chotbar change 2

And on hotbar 2, I do:
/chotbar change 1

I usually set the secondary hotbar to moves I rarely need to pop, or things that I would use outside of my standard offensive rotation such as stance changes, second wind, defensive buffs, and LB.

On more complicated classes such as Dragoon and Summoner, I have even more hotbars that I can quickly switch to with L2+direction. Usually it's:
Hotbar 1 = single target
Hotbar 2 = aoe
Hotbar 3 = defensive buffs + utility
Hotbar 4 (SMN/SCH only) = pet micromanagement

I still use the R2+L2 hotbar for moves that I may need quick access to regardless of which hotbar is up. Examples are offensive buffs like Blood for Blood and Internal Release, or OGCD skills that can be used for both ST and AOE.

It took me a little while to get used to at first, but it really has made my life a lot easier.

Simple fact is you are wrong, and if you used Duality properly, you would do even more dps than you already (claim to) do.

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

Simple fact is you are wrong, and if you used Duality properly, you would do even more dps than you already (claim to) do.

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Thats the point. If it is his main character and the gear on lodestone is his actual ninja gear, he won't do that dmg because with 537 acc sophia will laugh him in his face.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Thats the point. If it is his main character and the gear on lodestone is his actual ninja gear, he won't do that dmg because with 537 acc sophia will laugh him in his face.

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Sophia would be crying with laughter because with that Accuracy he wouldn't even tickle her.

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Originally Posted by Kingkoz

Who even cares its negligable amount of dps from duality its all just flashy ohhahh numbers and another button to press

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The practical usage instead of the math is the ability to push out more damage upfront which is needed in most fights if you're wanting to be called a good player. Also if you want to be even thought of as someone that knows anything, instead of just saying random shit, post proof of it no one is going to take you seriously without it and with ff logs being so simple to use that's easy.

not to mention that fact that if you aren't able to line up CDs in a fight as simple as Sophia, then you are doing something seriously wrong.

He isn't even getting 1.7k on Faust... :D

So he is just a Troll :3

yea, figured as much. I've met some terrible players, but I would like to think even they can see that Duality is for AE/AC.

I personaly use this macro to save some space in my cross hotbar:

/macro icon "invigorate"
/ac "goad" <t>
/ac "invigorate"

This way when a i need tp refresh just press the skill, but when i need to refresh a party tp, select party and press the same skill and apply goad... is a one button tp refreshner :D

Still not ideal, cos what if you need to invig, but want to save goad? Or goad but save invig?

Goad shouldn't fire unless you have a party member targeted, so in that case it will just be Invigorate. However, to my knowledge, Invigorate will fire regardless of what you have targeted so I am not sure how you prevent it from firing when you Goad.

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Originally Posted by Jotaku

I personaly use this macro to save some space in my cross hotbar:

/macro icon "invigorate"
/ac "goad" <t>
/ac "invigorate"

This way when a i need tp refresh just press the skill, but when i need to refresh a party tp, select party and press the same skill and apply goad... is a one button tp refreshner :D

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You shouldn't use this macro.
In Fights i normaly use Goad at the beginning, to have it ready earlier in the Fight for party members
better use:
/ac "goad" <mo>
for a mouseover macro

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

No. DPS macros are bad, and you are bad if you use them. It is commonly said for a reason.

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If you're not raiding end game stuff, macros are perfectly fine.

Don't be an elitist.

It's not being an elitist. Macros are incredibly poor in this game, and if you insist on using dps macros, you are negatively impacting your own, and other people's game experience.

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Originally Posted by Kingkoz

Thanks reported for admiring to using fflogs

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FFlogs is no 3rd party program that is in any way in contact with the client, therefore not a bannable offense.

To bad that he never wrote that he looked you up on fflogs so there is no proof from your side and there is no banable point at all.

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Originally Posted by Kingkoz

It is actually and saying it's not doesn't make it not, it's using a 3rd party website to belittle someone about their damage that is received using parses both are of banable pretenses look it up bud it's right there in Toshiba black and white, enjoy your report

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FFlogs itself is in no way a program that touches the game or changes game files and therefore does not cover any issues with being a 3rd party. 2nd of all the user never mentioned using ff logs and 3rd he didn't belittle you, he used it as proof against what you said yourself.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

Duality makes only sense if its used for AE because of the potency. If you like it or not.

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In a perfect world yes. but often duality armor crush is a better option.

the game as it stands today revolves around speed run all the things every extra second is a lifetime.

in my experience the direct result of that is there's rarely any stops
random dungeon for example. you've killed a trash pull gone running into the boss and tank pulls straight away you've got maybe 20 seconds on huton.. this happens quite a lot in my experience.

2 options.

1 cast huton to refresh it. and use kassatsu to do suiton get your de+ trick attack up and duality aeloian edge. (which I also end up doing in boss fights where tanks use 10 second countdowns </3)
2. cast suiton get your de + trick attack up use duality with armor crush and use your kassatsu to put out raiton.. (23 second boss countdowns)

2 is the best choice. because yes you lose 80 potency using armor crush instead of Aeolian but you gain a ration which is 360 potency. so you're actually gaining 280 potency. even if you kassatsu a fuma shurikan you're still gaining 160 potency over using duality with Aeolian edge and having to use mudras on huton.

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Originally Posted by Kingkoz

Thanks reported for admiring to using fflogs

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Nice try :)
Maybe you should find other things, that make you happy^^

Macros on weaponskills is a dps loss, your next gcd will clip and especially for ninja, that's gonna mean all of your ogcd timing and mudras are going to be misaligned. Please don't tell people that using them on GCDs is fine, it is not.

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Originally Posted by Campi

Nice try :)
Maybe you should find other things, that make you happy^^

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Or other things he could be good at. Seems like it's not the Ninja or a legit report :D :D

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Originally Posted by Kingkoz

... and I'm reporting everyone defending it as well

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For what?
Because they do not have the same opinion as you?

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Originally Posted by Dzian

In a perfect world yes. but often duality armor crush is a better option.

the game as it stands today revolves around speed run all the things every extra second is a lifetime.

in my experience the direct result of that is there's rarely any stops
random dungeon for example. you've killed a trash pull gone running into the boss and tank pulls straight away you've got maybe 20 seconds on huton.. this happens quite a lot in my experience.

2 options.

1 cast huton to refresh it. and use kassatsu to do suiton get your de+ trick attack up and duality aeloian edge. (which I also end up doing in boss fights where tanks use 10 second countdowns </3)
2. cast suiton get your de + trick attack up use duality with armor crush and use your kassatsu to put out raiton.. (23 second boss countdowns)

2 is the best choice. because yes you lose 80 potency using armor crush instead of Aeolian but you gain a ration which is 360 potency. so you're actually gaining 280 potency. even if you kassatsu a fuma shurikan you're still gaining 160 potency over using duality with Aeolian edge and having to use mudras on huton.

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Well even in a not perfect world you could use AC before, but this is a rare situation.

I'd say the best use of Duality is to use it during a burst phase, especially if you can time it to combo into a Trick Attack vuln proc with buffs like Internal Release and Blood for Blood. The second strike can't crit, but the additional damage is always good.

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Originally Posted by Genis94

I'd say the best use of Duality is to use it during a burst phase, especially if you can time it to combo into a Trick Attack vuln proc with buffs like Internal Release and Blood for Blood. The second strike can't crit, but the additional damage is always good.

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None of the strike can crit, actually.

You ideally want to time it so that Internal Release drops as you use Duality, so you don't waste any of the duration of IR on a skill that can't crit.