New Class Speculations

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Originally Posted by Mahri

We're missing something from Thavnair, the Othardian Steppe, and Garlemald. I might be forgetting other places. I don't see a distinctly Garlean class happening until, at the earliest, we get an expansion into Ala Mhigo, so our next classes might come by way of Thavnair and Othard.

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You forgot Xelphatol. I wouldn't rule out the chance of a job from Dravania proper that may or may not relate to something predating the Dragonsong War.

For the Othardian Steppe, I'd hedge my bets on something along the lines of Geomancer for the aesthetic from XI.

http://home.eyesonff.com/attachment....3&d=1387649511

I want something different, something that they failed to do with Heavensward classes. I want classes that play differently. An example is:

1. Beastmaster as a tank. this class works toghter with his/her pet to defend the group from being attacked. There should be a collect Beasts log aswell, so we can collect and store those beasts for use.
2. Dancer as a healer. All 3 healers that we have right now are mages that use mana, I want the next healer not be a gandalf archtype mage. The dancer will wear medium armor and uses mostly TP with a little MP to heal and buff the group. Seriously SE, we realy do not need another mage as a healer for 4.0.
3. Unlike healers and tanks, DPS classes are already pretty different, so I think we should give them something that they do not have. Samurai is a sword user, since there is no sword user with the dps role, I could see Samurai fitting in realy well. We also only have two casters, so maybe they could add a caster class like: Oracle from FF Tactics or the Arithmetician. The Arithmetician have support skills, they could be a dps caster with support skills.

What I do not want from SE is:

1. Tank: Knight class with a Sword or Axe, anything Knight type.
2. Healer: No mages, enough with them. Final Fantasy is known for the non mages healers, so please add those classes.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

You forgot Xelphatol. I wouldn't rule out the chance of a job from Dravania proper that may or may not relate to something predating the Dragonsong War.

For the Othardian Steppe, I'd hedge my bets on something along the lines of Geomancer for the aesthetic from XI.

http://home.eyesonff.com/attachment....3&d=1387649511

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Oh yeah! So. I'm thinking since Xelphatol is Ixal-land, they might go for a Mesoamerican feel to it. Dancer hook, in a very physical, intense, tribal-ritual incarnation of the job. Maybe some Capoeira? That could be immensely cool.

I stopped playing XI long before Geomancer was introduced, but I like that general idea behind that look. Picturing a Geomancer AF now with those highly elaborate headdresses from traditional Mongolian dress, like so.

So there's my general hope for new jobs, revised:

Geomancer: Othardian Steppe origin, ranged DPS DoM. Mongolian aesthetic.
Dancer: Xelphatol origin, melee Healer DoW. Mesoamerican tribal aesthetic.
Blue Mage: Thavnairan origin, melee DPS DoM. Arabian Nights aesthetic.
Red Mage: Origin undetermined, Tank DoM. Full-blown swashbuckling duelist aesthetic, rapiers and bucklers.
Samurai: Doman origin, melee DPS DoW. Cherry blossoms everywhere.

Instead of bringing out a healing class that is just an inbetweener, have something with completely different healing characteristics.
The WHM and Scholar are significantly separate from each other, so players moving from one to the other feel like it's a distinct change.

Not so with the new healing class, where they appeared to have struggled for differentiating ideas.

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

A chemist as healer would be cool, we have enough casters already

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lol what? 8 non magic caster jobs and 5 magic casters....hmm

or really 2 caster dps, 3 healers, 3 tanks, 5 phys dps.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

2. Dancer as a healer. All 3 healers that we have right now are mages that use mana, I want the next healer not be a gandalf archtype mage. The dancer will wear medium armor and uses mostly TP with a little MP to heal and buff the group. Seriously SE, we realy do not need another mage as a healer for 4.0.

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As cool as it would be, the biggest problem is just how insanely hard it is to balance a non-mana healer because of one key element to healing: resource management. Part of the skill factor as a healer is knowing how to manage that prime resource and there's no real way of achieving that properly with TP, resulting in either a series of constant resource droughts or a state of not having to bother with TP management. It's a much finer line to balance on compared to MP management, which is why devs tend to stick with that. There's also other factors like skill speed, well known as the bane to Paladins until they had the TP costs of some of their abilities reduced by just 10 (some more, but mostly standard attacks), which is an example of just how small a number can lead from resource drought to resource ignorance.

I do agree that there should be breaking of molds when it comes to job concepts like a proper caster tank (no Dark Knights, no you're not) or a less spellcaster-like healer, but there is definitely a better reason why healers use MP instead of TP.

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Originally Posted by Mahri

Oh yeah! So. I'm thinking since Xelphatol is Ixal-land, they might go for a Mesoamerican feel to it. Dancer hook, in a very physical, intense, tribal-ritual incarnation of the job. Maybe some Capoeira? That could be immensely cool.

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If they're doing Mesoamerican for Xelphatol, the FFT version of Geomancer would work there as well.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090402235257

I'm expecting them to create a class based on creation of illusions or blood drain(necromancer).

However,

I'd be great with a healer dps like Blade dancer instead of just Dancer.

Also a Sword Conjurer/Blade Witch/Weapon Summoner would be the best thing ever if they could pull it off as a INT that uses Swords. Like the anime Fate's character Gilgamesh.

But I think they would use an existing new class to go off on like the Machinist. I think there are more weapons to choose from to expand on NPC's that already exist. The Arsonist would use heavy guns unlike the machinist that would be 2 hand weapons like machine guns, cannons, grenade launchers, but in a way that would make sense in the realm of eorzea that would probably infuse allagan technology.

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No healing dancers please. They are much more traditionally a buffer/debuffer in the franchise (Most jobs didn't begin with XI people, remember V and Tactics?), and I think that they would work well as a melee counterpart to BRD and MCH especially for people who want to play a support dps job, but do not want to deal with Wanderer's Minuet/Gauss Barrel.

As for actual suggestions, I think Chemist would be a good healer job that's a bit different. It could have different Mix skills for either offense or defense/healing, sort of like Rikku from X but there'd be no consumables to always have on hand.

I would like to see some interesting Jobs/Classes like Juggler or Mime but those might be unrealistic since nobody likes clowns and Mime would be rather hard to pull off.
Tho Blue Mage, Beastmaster, Viking and Sage I would see being able to be done. Tho I do think we shall see Samurai and/or Red Mage at the vary least.
Here's hoping for a vary interesting Job/Class.

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Originally Posted by Picchu

No healing dancers please. They are much more traditionally a buffer/debuffer in the franchise (Most jobs didn't begin with XI people, remember V and Tactics?), and I think that they would work well as a melee counterpart to BRD and MCH especially for people who want to play a support dps job, but do not want to deal with Wanderer's Minuet/Gauss Barrel.

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I love my Machinist, but I wouldn't be opposed to this idea for Dancer either. However, it seems like there's a very limited niche for the buffer+DPS type, who will always be DPS foremost and buffer second, with so many other DPS prospects, whereas there's always a need for healers and it would do good for the role to have something with a wildly different playstyle and aesthetic from existing ones.

I've seen your ideas and now I'm curious. Everyone suggests the job but few people mention the main hand.
Other than SMR being the obvious katana main hand job, what you guys think the other suggestions should use?

I've seen Blue Mages on the fanchise using guns, whips, spears and swords.
For Red Mages, I've seen rapiers and a combo of mace + shield being more common.

The dancer on the other hand I don't know what exactly could use, because it would depend on the role.
A DPS dancer could work with chakrams or something like that, but I don't think the same formula would work for a healer dancer.

Geomancers I've only seen using axes or bells.

And the chemist I also have no idea of what main hand could be used.

When I say that I'm also thinking about effects, since aesthetics have a huge importance in this game. That's why barehanded dancer, as an example, is out of question.

Blue Mage: Curved swords, if it keeps the same look as FFXI. Scimitars, Dao, Falcatas, Khopesh, along those lines. Could pair them similar to Ninja to set them apart from similar-looking gear Paladins use.
Red Mage: Fencing sword (rapier, epee, foil, etc.) + shield, favoring the small shields currently usable (yet practically ignored at endgame now) by BLM and WHM that have INT/MND, since they're a spellcasting class.
Geomancer: Bells work just fine here. Could be the centerpiece of sound design for Geomancer spells.
Dancer: Either fans or some sort of cloth or ribbony thing, could make for some nice animations. Alternatively, an instrument, like small drums, tabourines, or castanets. They wouldn't necessarily wield them as weapons but keep them on hand, like the MCH aetheroconverter. Physical strikes would still be with fists/feet.
Chemist: Could perhaps be another gun-type weapon, but fitted with vials, needles, etc. for the firing of mixtures. Maybe make these things truly immense, shoulder-mounted pieces of equipment to distinguish them from Machinists. See: Sharla in Xenoblade Chronicles (or alchemist in FFX-2, for that matter)
Beastmaster: Not axes; let's go with flails or whips. Flails especially, like ball-and-chain type, aren't something you see in many games, for whatever reason, and I think it'd create a unique look and really give the animators something to have fun with.

Whips for beastmasters with 3 beasts to use.

The already existing tank mounts. Would be so cool.

I expect Dancer as healer or tank, Samurai as dps and Red Mage as healer or tank. I would also like red mage to be dual wielding rapier type weapons if tank.

Geomancer (GEO) is technically completley obsolete now though, given their traditional gimmick is using elemental powers to generate spells based on the surrounding environment. Story wise this is already what the CNJ class does (borrow elemental power from the environment), and gameplay wise, it's useless - remember the elemental wheel in this game is virtually deliberately neutered in order to prevent class favouritism in battles - elemental affinity of spells does exist, it's just so low as to have virtually no bearing on damage dealt at all.

Also although old style original 1.0 CNJ was more closer to GEO than the current incarnation of CNJ is (in the release version of CNJ in FFXIV 1.0, CNJ had native access to all elemental spells, including Fire, Ice and Lightning, only to eventually lose these when the classes were redesigned in order to incorporate a better fit for the introduction of Jobs, and they were given to THM), story wise they are still mages who channel elemental powers - limited to water, wind and air - from the land and then mould that elemental power into spells - very much the same as GEO's traditional concept.

So either way, GEO as it stands will never be added to the game I'm sorry to say.

Give me Dancer
with a big hammer
and fast speed
and some healing ability

JUST give me Meru

alternatively [Rune Fencer]

Shame traps will never be a viable system

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Originally Posted by Mizukaru

Now in a previous statement by Yoshi, they would not be releasing all 3 classes during an expansion ever again due to the strain it caused. So It's safe to assume if they are to implement further classes, they will be partitioned out by patch.

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Why do people always incorrectly cite this? That isn't what he said at all. He said that releasing 3 new jobs AFTER doing NIN mid-expansion was the problem, so we wouldn't be getting jobs outside of expansions anymore. We can still likely expect 3 jobs for 4.0.

That said, I don't know why everyone is talking about Dancer. It hasn't been hinted at even once. The 2015 rising event blatantly screamed RDM and SAM are next, and two arguing NPCs in the back of the room were arguing over "what comes after White and Black?" One insists Red, the other votes Blue. Given that these are all colors of mages, and that we currently have WHM and BLM it's safe to assume that this is another hint, and that BLU is also on deck.

Geomancer not an option? U are kidding. :D

Well as u have fought in amdapor hard, the 2ND boss uses a debuff to increase the elemtal damage greatly.

I don't see, why a geomancer using elemental magic won't get himself a buff or debuff opponents for elemental vulnerability. The icons for that exist already.

Also we still don't really have water based magic and there are some more ways to find a magic working e.g. a dot that starts weak but gets stronger over time.

With red mage fencers there should also come Viera, since rabanastre has them.

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Originally Posted by LDR

Give me Dancer
with a big hammer
and fast speed
and some healing ability

JUST give me Meru

alternatively [Rune Fencer]

Shame traps will never be a viable system

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I would agree with that Rune Fencer, as i want a Fencer class in the game^^ But with Rapiers, not hammers^^

Only thing i would say is i do not think new jobs will be implemented by 3.5 but later.
Dancer and Blue or Red Mage is all i would care for. For now at least :)

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Catmancer, Patissier, and Dancer. >w>

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I would love a Catmancer or Patissier, honestly, but I can't see them working the way they did in Bravely Second. They would have to remove the requirement of needing an item to get an effect because of the negative impact that would have on poorer players. I could see them doing this by way of a skill like MCH's Reload to give you a token generating system and needing the skills to use these tokens. I could even see these filling the melee support role. Patissier would, however, be less likely because of having Culinarian in game already and I can't see them making a DoW job so similar to a DoH class.

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Originally Posted by Picchu

Chemist would be a good healer job...different Mix skills for either offense or defense/healing, sort of like Rikku from X but there'd be no consumables.

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I could see this if they replaced the requirement of needing items, but for a healer job, they'd have a hard time balancing resources (what would they even use?), MP, and whatnot. Since they would have to eliminate the requirement of having the mixed items so as to not exclude poorer players, I fear they might just hand wave the Mix.

I just had an intriguing thought for Spell Fencer. In Bravely Default, it got abused to put elemental enchantments on weapons to make attacks stronger, but in XIV the elemental rock-paper-scissors is nerfed into the ground, and some of the enchants like poison or silence would be useless on bosses PDQ. The focus was always on enhancing your weapon, however, and I could see the effects of the enchantments being tweaked to other uses, temporary boosts to attack power or auto attack speed, slight boost to defense or dodging. There could even be an enchant to temporarily cause attacks to "explode" in a short range AoE. It could be a class that uses MP for enchantments and TP for attacks. I would see it more of a STR stat.

For Red Mage, I see it more as a swashbuckling melee caster DPS. Yes, they get white magic, but never enough to fulfill the role of a dedicated healer. I could see them being built around doing sword attacks (rapiers, anyone?) and the occasional black magic spells to increase their damage repertoire (Fire II PBAoE?). Like Summoner, their healing could be helpful situationally, but I can't see them having enough focus in it to be a dedicated healer role.

The way I see it or.......
....... the way I want to see it.


http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...0af1d6d482.jpg
With moderate healing (like Clemancy), melee damage (like Royal Authority), magical damage (like Unmend), and overall utility, to me RED will be a tank. The martial style of the Saber lends to the troupe the tanks in the game have as heroes and knights.

Lore wise I feel Ala Mhigo could lend itself to "Heroic battle mages that forsake the comfort of a library for the battlefield. Robes dyed red to symbolize fallen brothers and sisters."

And the 3 Musketeers-inspired questline about a mad king is perfect for the lore of Ala Mhigo.

WE NEED SAMURAI


That is all

IIRC SE didn't want to release 3 new jobs at once again, only 2. We're probably getting another intelligence user, and another strength user. Now naturally people would assume the INT would be the third ranged DPS, and STR would be the third melee with the stat. What I'm thinking is that it'd be nifty if we had a melee INT and ranged STR. It'd certainly help with diversity!

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

IIRC SE didn't want to release 3 new jobs at once again, only 2. We're probably getting another intelligence user, and another strength user. Now naturally people would assume the INT would be the third ranged DPS, and STR would be the third melee with the stat. What I'm thinking is that it'd be nifty if we had a melee INT and ranged STR. It'd certainly help with diversity!

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Eff everything, I want to play a class that throws boulders all day now XD

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

Eff everything, I want to play a class that throws boulders all day now XD

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BLD- Boulder Thrower.

No Lala's allowed.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

IIRC SE didn't want to release 3 new jobs at once again, only 2.

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Again with people misquoting this. Once more, the problem was NOT giving us 3 jobs for HW, the problem was giving us those 3 jobs DIRECTLY after NIN. We still have a strong chance at 3 jobs for 4.0.

Also again, all signs point to SAM, RDM, and BLU. And I -REALLY- hope we get BLU.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

Again with people misquoting this. Once more, the problem was NOT giving us 3 jobs for HW, the problem was giving us those 3 jobs DIRECTLY after NIN. We still have a strong chance at 3 jobs for 4.0.

Also again, all signs point to SAM, RDM, and BLU. And I -REALLY- hope we get BLU.

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Don't need to be snippy, IIRC implies the information might not be 100% lol. Correct me and move on, no need to go Noooot agaaaain!

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Don't need to be snippy, IIRC insinuates the information might not be 100% lol.

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Nah I meant no anger there, I apologize if it came off that way. Just trying to stop misinformation.

I assume the classes in the expansion (if 3) will be:

- Red Mage as DPS
- Blue Mage as Healer
- Samurai as Tank

I suppose these are what some people are already expecting.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

I assume the classes in the expansion (if 3) will be:

- Red Mage as DPS
- Blue Mage as Healer
- Samurai as Tank

I suppose these are what some people are already expecting.

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BLU as a healer makes no sense, like literally none. Almost all Blue Magic spells are offensive in every game, off the top of my head I can recall like three healing spells they commonly learn ever and tens of damage spells. If anything RDM makes more sense as a healer as that was it's common role in FFXI, but even that's a huge stretch.

Odds are we just don't get a healer this expac unless they bench BLU for DNC or something. Which I doubt will happen as they've yet to hint at DNC in any capacity and DNC isn't typically a dedicated healer either.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

BLU as a healer makes no sense, like literally none. Almost all Blue Magic spells are offensive in every game, off the top of my head I can recall like three healing spells they commonly learn ever and tens of damage spells. If anything RDM makes more sense as a healer as that was it's common role in FFXI, but even that's a huge stretch.

Odds are we just don't get a healer this expac unless they bench BLU for DNC or something. Which I doubt will happen as they've yet to hint at DNC in any capacity and DNC isn't typically a dedicated healer either.

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I know it doesn't but it's the only Job that came to my mind having healing and support spells and Yoshi said he would like to do it.

I don't know about the Dancer class, i don't remember playing a FF game that had it so can't comment on it.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

I know it doesn't but it's the only Job that came to my mind having healing and support spells and Yoshi said he would like to do it.

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I don't recall Yoshi EVER saying he wanted BLU to be a healer. I only remember him mentioning the job would be very difficult to implement and he mused on the idea of it being a solo play only thing. Never anything on it being support or a healer, do you have a source?

Also as I said, RDM has a plethora of healing and support magic available, but still I see that being a DPS too.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

I don't recall Yoshi EVER saying he wanted BLU to be a healer. I only remember him mentioning the job would be very difficult to implement and he mused on the idea of it being a solo play only thing. Never anything on it being support or a healer, do you have a source?

Also as I said, RDM has a plethora of healing and support magic available, but still I see that being a DPS too.

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I mean he would like to do it the Blue Mage not it as a healer lol.

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

I mean he would like to do it the Blue Mage not it as a healer lol.

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Oh fair, my bad then. I misunderstood.

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Originally Posted by Selsix

He said that releasing 3 new jobs AFTER doing NIN mid-expansion was the problem, so we wouldn't be getting jobs outside of expansions anymore.

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That's definitely true, but he also said that each new job is months worth of work for the team, strongly implying that we might not get three new jobs with the next expansion. I'm hoping we still get three new jobs, but I'm expecting two.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

That's definitely true, but he also said that each new job is months worth of work for the team, strongly implying that we might not get three new jobs with the next expansion. I'm hoping we still get three new jobs, but I'm expecting two.

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You rouse a good point. Still, I expect 3 jobs. Not because we got 3 for HW exactly, but also because XI set a trend for 3 jobs per expansion. 2 jobs is definitely possible, but given that as a baseline and the fact that the 2015 rising event hinted at 3 possibly in the works? It seems more likely.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

That's definitely true, but he also said that each new job is months worth of work for the team, strongly implying that we might not get three new jobs with the next expansion. I'm hoping we still get three new jobs, but I'm expecting two.

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I'm ok with two, we don't need more healers.

- Samurai as Tank
- Red Mage as DPS

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Originally Posted by RobbieH

I'm ok with two, we don't need more healers.

- Samurai as Tank
- Red Mage as DPS

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We don't particularly need more tanks either. Really the only niche that isn't filled is melee caster and ranged STR. Though as most people are saying, it'll probably be a STR and INT DPS, playstyle is a tossup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if we didn't get a tank or healer in the Xpac.