So I heard genderlock was eventually being removed off everything over time.

Something that was actually mentioned to me regarding this, Firion's outfit, Cloud's outfit, and Zidane's outfit, all cross gendered, a lot of things that aren't for both genders barely make sense now by the logic's of those 3 sets. Another example of something that does not make sense at this point it seems, is any of the scion outfits and Cids, (yes I'm aware that the Firion Cloud and Zidane are vet rewards, but what really makes them any different compared to any other set in the game that is either paid for, or crafted that isn't cross class we techanically pay for all of it anyway)

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Oh yeah for sure, all the races and both genders should get equal, but unique treatment.

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I feel this is something that people often miss. "Equal" is not "the same". You can be equal, yet different.

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Originally Posted by UnstablePersonality

Lightning gear would be a bit odd I admit..Snow's coat works well though because I see females wear stuff like that sometimes, so it's not too far fetched.

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From what I remember, Lightning wears a Guardian Corps uniform that should have an existing male variant.

right because we need people cross dressing...if anything some stuff is better because it's gender locked granted i'd like to some of the swimsuits the males have like the ones with the tattoos be added to females selection or that they add a type of swimsuit for female that has similar tattoo's but for the females or give us access to the male versions of weapon poses monk pose for female isn't good at all

^ It's ok when it works out for you, right?

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Originally Posted by Blackbird1

right because we need people cross dressing...if anything some stuff is better because it's gender locked granted i'd like to some of the swimsuits the males have like the ones with the tattoos be added to females selection or that they add a type of swimsuit for female that has similar tattoo's but for the females or give us access to the male versions of weapon poses monk pose for female isn't good at all

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You do realise a female wearing mens clothing is crossdressing as well? And that what you have just asked for whilst complaining about people crossdressing.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

I feel this is something that people often miss. "Equal" is not "the same". You can be equal, yet different.



From what I remember, Lightning wears a Guardian Corps uniform that should have an existing male variant.

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This is true, I did forget about that. Just further proves the point that all of this can be done.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

From what I remember, Lightning wears a Guardian Corps uniform that should have an existing male variant.

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But people want Lightning's uniform, not the Guardian Corps uniform from a random male ^^
There will be difference in the design (people don't like differences in the gear designs, see DRG AF1 threads) and it will not have the same scent

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Originally Posted by Felis

But people want Lightning's uniform, not the Guardian Corps uniform from a random male ^^
There will be difference in the design (people don't like differences in the gear designs, see DRG AF1 threads) and it will not have the same scent

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What they mean is, they can redesign the outfit to have the same color scheme and such. Wouldn't be as random.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

From what I remember, Lightning wears a Guardian Corps uniform that should have an existing male variant.

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It is. We even see her CO, Amodar, wearing the male variant briefly in-game, which is of a very similar design Though a different color, (probably due to the rank difference), only with long pants. Personally, I'd prefer they kept the shorts model for male characters anyway, considering we already have a lot of good 'long slacks' options in game, and relatively few shorts that males can wear, and I wouldn't say no to keeping the belly window, because really, guys should get to show skin, too? But ultimately I'll just be happy to get to wear the event set I actually like the look of, since the Sow coat is far and away not to my tastes.

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Originally Posted by Blackbird1

right because we need people cross dressing...if anything some stuff is better because it's gender locked granted i'd like to some of the swimsuits the males have like the ones with the tattoos be added to females selection or that they add a type of swimsuit for female that has similar tattoo's but for the females or give us access to the male versions of weapon poses monk pose for female isn't good at all

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If you want to frame it that way, then yes, we do need people crossdressing, because people want to do it and the world needs MRoes in pink meido cosplay.

Why are you not okay with males wearing current female-only items, but apparently want all male items and even emotes unlocked for female use? That's not fair to male characters or the people playing them. It can't be because the items are feminine or would allow for cross-dressing, because that's already perfectly possible curently...don't make me dig out the screens of my character in the Swansgrace ballgown set.

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Originally Posted by SpiritMuse

I feel this is something that people often miss. "Equal" is not "the same". You can be equal, yet different.

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The issue then arises that some things are more equal than others however. The afro or pompadour is just as good a haircut as the lightning cut, right? Except that I wager over 70% of the female characters would much rather have the lightning cut. I'm being generous here, I never saw any female with an afro anywhere, not even as joke.

Even mathematically, it's nigh impossible to create equality without identity if you consider preferences. 1+5 and 3+3 are both six, but what if a more even composition is preferred? Then 3+3 is better than 1+5, because it's more even. Day shift and night shift both have the same amount of working hours and length of breaks, yet day shift is typically considered better than night shift, hence night shift often needs additional incentives. And let's not even get into the discussion of gender roles and "equal, yet different rights and duties". We really don't need to start the outrage about women wearing pants again either.

So yeah...you'll be hard pressed to ever offer two actually equal, yet different options. Chances are, one will always be inferior and which will depend on the individual evaluating them.

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Originally Posted by UnstablePersonality

What they mean is, they can redesign the outfit to have the same color scheme and such. Wouldn't be as random.

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i think the male version will be more like this:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/eafk2w.jpg

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Originally Posted by Felis

i think the male version will be more like this:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/eafk2w.jpg

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I believe that's a different branch of the army in the game, Someone should get a picture of the actual male version though lol, may clear things up a bit.

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i think the male version will be more like this:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/eafk2w.jpg

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That's not the Guardian Corps uniform. It's Psicom.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...px-Amodart.jpg

I'm not sure why we gender-locked gear at all. If someone wants to play a cross dressing muscular roe that flies like a ballerina I'm not about to tell that... strange person to do otherwise.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/...20101013222257

Lightning doesn't exactly wear the official uniform anyway due to her rank, she wears a variation of it, its close but not the official thing.
Don't see whats so bad about her version on males anyway, wow it has mini shorts and belly button on show.

Maybe my character has a cute belly button.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

Maybe my character has a cute belly button.

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I know mine definitely does.

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Originally Posted by MaethusXion

those that have an equal type model. IE, the Male and Female Thavnarian sets

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Stop right there, please. ^^; The Thavnairian sets do not have equal type models. It's another of those Female/Unisex pairs (since the "male" variety is not locked to male). So it should be included in your priority list, and not in the "let's deal with it later" list.

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Originally Posted by Hrimfaxi

Females to wear male items should be easy to adjust.
But from male to wear female items might be challenging to adjust and suit male bodies.
Though for some reason... I start to imagine a male roe in a maid costume and I think its ok XD

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Um... From what I can tell, there are just as many adjustments to be made when making male sets unisex, since you need to account for the chest vertices (if that's the term) being very different either way. For male-to-unisex, you need to potentially fit in a bra in case the piece shows too much chest, and for female-to-unisex you need to remove bras if those are present, or make said bra look more like a tight top. (As an example, the male miqo'te hempen top would qualify as such.)

I know they have stated that it's "more difficult" to fit female gear onto male bodies, but from my viewpoint it seems that the largest hindrance is mental. We're not used to seeing men in "female" clothes, so it weirds people out. And that makes many people unable to look at a piece of gear and think, "Yeah, that fits just fine on a male body as it is." It becomes, "That just looks weird, how can we change it so it doesn't look weird? Can we change it so it doesn't look weird?" And instead of the gear being converted pretty much as-is, more time/effort is spent on making it "more masculine" than they'd spend on making a male-to-unisex gear "more feminine" for female characters.
This is just my personal theory, but that's because I just can't see how it could be that much different and more difficult to make the conversion one way than the other.

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Originally Posted by Powe

I would be fine if they made Lightning's outfit switch sizes and such with male and females, like males get a version to make it more masculine. Longer pants and maybe the shirt wont show the lower belly. Keep the cap the exact same size. Also maybe shorten the boot height.

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Most likely, they're not going to make the skirt look the same and either make it full-length pants or some kind of shorts, but... why change the boots? ^^; Personally, I think this game needs more boots. Especially ones not locked to a certain class/job. (Or race/gender, for that matter xD)

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Even mathematically, it's nigh impossible to create equality without identity if you consider preferences.

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Not saying to get rid of the identity though. In fact, quite the opposite.
Equal, but different.

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Stop right there, please. ^^; The Thavnairian sets do not have equal type models. It's another of those Female/Unisex pairs (since the "male" variety is not locked to male). So it should be included in your priority list, and not in the "let's deal with it later" list.

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... It's like most all female character here never tried having male character so they don't know what it's feels like having limited glamour gear unlike female that can wear best man jacket and thavnairian bolero... AND 2 SET OF BUNNY SETS! :mad:

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Most likely, they're not going to make the skirt look the same and either make it full-length pants or some kind of shorts,

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While I can't be 100% sure about the FFXIV version, since I don't have a character capable of trying it on, Lightning's bottom piece is actually a skort in her own game - it LOOKS like a skirt, but it's actually shorts, as you'd expect from someone who uses a fighting style as acrobatic as hers. When the time rolls around to alter the piece for male use, I really hope they keep that in mind, since males are woefully short of attractive short options.

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Not saying to get rid of the identity though. In fact, quite the opposite.
Equal, but different.

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I would be able to live with 'equal, but different' if the designers could be trusted to actually KEEP things equal. Since they have proven time and time again that they cannot, there's really no acceptable option left other than to unlock everything for every one. Maybe someday they'll be able to prove themselves trustworthy again, but for now they've got to make up for their mistakes.

I mean, unless you're talking about something like a racial piece that would be literally physically impossible for a member of another race to wear due to physical differences, I personally feel that locking any article of clothing is a silly, arbitrary limitation that has no place in a game which allows for customization of your character, but again, as long as those limitations were kept 100%, slavishly equal i wouldn't kick up too much of a fuss.