Improve the playerbase, add a built in DPS/HPS/AoE Fail meter

You can stop pretending people won't use parsers to point out someone's dps. And stop getting so emotionally invested lol. I guess it doesn't matter either way. We're not getting parsers.

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Originally Posted by Ciri_Wolf

You can stop pretending people won't use parsers to point out someone's dps. And stop getting so emotionally invested lol. I guess it doesn't matter either way. We're not getting parsers.

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Do you have an argument or points to be made that don't involve some ambiguous "king of trolls" who will descend upon players with their trusty parse numbers?

The point of a parser is to point on someone's DPS.
The point of pointing out someone's DPS isn't strictly for the purpose of trolling.

You could be a contender against a white dwarf star for densest object in the universe.

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Originally Posted by Destous

Do you have an argument or points to be made that don't involve some ambiguous "king of trolls" who will descend upon players with their trusty parse numbers?

The point of a parser is to point on someone's DPS.
The point of pointing out someone's DPS isn't strictly for the purpose of trolling.

You could be a contender against a white dwarf star for densest object in the universe.

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You need better reading comprehension skills. I never said everyone was gonna troll with a parser. I also said bad players will use parsers to make excuses for their own mistakes. There's no argument to make. And that word dense doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Originally Posted by Ciri_Wolf

You need better reading comprehension skills. I never said everyone was gonna troll with a parser. I also said bad players will use parsers to make excuses for their own mistakes. There's no argument to make. And that word dense doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Whatever you want to believe, bud. Your posts in the thread speak for themselves; and that message is "parsers are bad because trolls will troll with them and destroy the game". It's a hyperbolic, doomsayer message that carries close to no weight.

And yes, you're incredibly dense.

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Originally Posted by Destous

Whatever you want to believe, bud. Your posts in the thread speak for themselves; and that message is "parsers are bad because trolls will troll with them and destroy the game". It's a hyperbolic, doomsayer message that carries close to no weight.

And yes, you're incredibly dense.

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Kay, you saying people won't troll with it is pretty silly. Insulting me twice doesn't make your silly argument any less silly, though.

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Originally Posted by Ciri_Wolf

Kay, you saying people won't troll with it is pretty silly. Insulting me twice doesn't make your silly argument any less silly, though.

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I never said people won't troll with a parser. Trolls will troll with anything available, as it's their prerogative to troll.
I said that a built in parser won't cause in-game trolling to skyrocket; and will ultimately lead to more good than harm.

DENSE.

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Originally Posted by Destous

I never said people won't troll with a parser. Trolls will troll with anything available, as it's their prerogative to troll.
I said that a built in parser won't cause in-game trolling to skyrocket; and will ultimately lead to more good than harm.

DENSE.

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You need to re-read what you wrote then. Also conjecture. Yoshi P disagrees.

The parser as a tool is great, but like most tools they can be abused to inflict harm on others. I used to be an advocate supporter of parsers, back when they first showed up in World of Warcraft. I was naive and thought that this tool would encourage others to improve their gameplay and some of them did. Then I started seeing people saying stuff like you need to do Y damage per second or X damage per second. Casuals and Hardcore players started dictating how much dps a player should deal. Whenever someone failed to meet these standards, they were verbally abused and shamed. At first this was a small issue, it happend only to those that raid alot, then it started affecting the random players that joined the duty finder and played casual, they too got insulted and were told to meet the standard or be kicked.

I love to have a personal parser, because if I am able to improve myself, as a gamer, why shouldnt I? But not everyone has the same reasons as me and not everyone is as kind as the posters here who claim that the tool will only be used to help. The parser will be used to inflict harm and demean others, its already happening with ACT, I have seen players insulting others during a roulette and they saying stuff that makes it very obvious that they are using a tool to see the damage dealt by the other players. The only reason why alot of gamers are not using the data from the parsers, is because they are afraid of being reported and banned. If SE changes this and using parsers is allowed, then from past experiences in other mmorpgs, I can assure you that this tool will be used to insult and shame others and not to help. I have witnessed communities becomming very toxic.

That is why I want to have a personal parser, so I can improve myself and not one where others can judge me for it.

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Originally Posted by Destous

I never said people won't troll with a parser. Trolls will troll with anything available, as it's their prerogative to troll.
I said that a built in parser won't cause in-game trolling to skyrocket; and will ultimately lead to more good than harm.

DENSE.

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I can understand how having parsers will ultimately help when you are playing with friends, static and free company members, but I have to disagree that this tool will do more good then harm in the end when it comes to the playerbase overall. MMORPG like World of Warcraft have shown me that in general this tool wiill increase the toxic behavior of players, I have seen this in other mmorpgs aswell. If you are raiding with mates, the odds of them verbally abusing you or shaming you is very low, but strangers are not as kind.

You say that the parser will ultimately lead to more good than harm, can you share with us, where you got this from? Is it from a past experience and if it is, was it with friends or a whole community?

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Originally Posted by Laerune

where you got this from? Is it from a past experience and if it is, was it with friends or a whole community?

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Anyone with a prerogative to parse troll is already doing it. Handing a parse to players who don't currently troll won't suddenly make them into parse trolling monsters.

A parse just compiles all the info in the battle log into an easy to decipher format. By making this already available information more clear, it allows players to better analyze how they're playing the game and where they can stand to improve.

The fear of a parse troll is a hyperbolic, boogeyman argument against having a meter built into the game. I have a friend list and FC filled with people who always run a parse for all the content they run; despite that, they never mention a player's damage numbers outside of people subbing into a static, because that's when it makes a difference between wiping and clearing.

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Originally Posted by Ciri_Wolf

You can stop pretending people won't use parsers to point out someone's dps. And stop getting so emotionally invested lol.

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I'm sure they will. If someone is doing 300 DPS in a place where 1000 is more appropriate, it's only courteous to let the guy know. Something may be wrong, hindering him at that moment. He may not even know he's not performing well!
Bringing it to attention isn't trolling, it isn't toxic. It's simply trying to help.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

I'm sure they will. If someone is doing 300 DPS in a place where 1000 is more appropriate, it's only courteous to let the guy know. Something may be wrong, hindering him at that moment. He may not even know he's not performing well!
Bringing it to attention isn't trolling, it isn't toxic. It's simply trying to help.

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You're right. And I never said anything of that was trolling.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

The 1% of the final fantasy population who think parsers are important need to accept that they are not.Most people play the game for fun. Quit trying to bully other players into your own standards.

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I'm by no mean a raider and I do use a parser for every single MMO that I play. I meanly use it to see if I'm performing well enough. Sometimes your sure that your pretty good at playing you class then someone with weaker gear score deal 10% more damage done then you did. Using the parser let me see that I could improve my skill.

When I hear all the hate agaisnt MMo parser. You make it sound like if poeple would bully anyone below 1% of theire own DPS. The very rare time time someone get kicked out of a pug due to low DPS is usualy when they are dealing 60-50% below the rest of the crowd and are either clearly too busy watching steaming video to play or trying to get raid carryed with questing gear.

How is it being a bully? Many are asking for Personal Parsers so only the user can see it. No abuse at all here.
It's not like those on PC currently running parsers cannot abuse other players ...
You guys really fail at seeing the overall picture. Of course players play how they want to and just want to have fun but there is also some who strive to be their best to help out their group while having fun.

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Originally Posted by Maero

How is it being a bully? Many are asking for Personal Parsers so only the user can see it. No abuse at all here.
It's not like those on PC currently running parsers cannot abuse other players ...
You guys really fail at seeing the overall picture. Of course players play how they want to and just want to have fun but there is also some who strive to be their best to help out their group while having fun.

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Did you not read? Almost everyone here is okay with a personal parser that wasnt the topic of the thread though the topic was a single paser that everyone in the group could see. which is a horrible idea and will make the community even worse with the added effect of giving console only statics the means to see some numbers that don't matter all that much unless everyone is doing mechanics perfectly during a fight and your stuck hitting enrage because that's the only time DPS is actually an issue.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

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Meters measure far more than just DPS. It has death counts, standing in fire counts, HPS, damage taken, damage mitigated; essentially it compiles all relevant battle data. For any static, or really any group doing current endgame content, it's a necessity to go from wiping to clearing. There hasn't been one person here who can explain why handing a parse to an otherwise reasonable player would suddenly transform them into an elitist, parse trolling monster. The entire argument against a built in meter boils down to "I fear that my feelings will be hurt in some way at some point". It's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Destous

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I am aware of that those reasons are the true benefit of those meters however outside of raid groups those other stats don't matter However those effects are not used nor do they matter in any other content yet that big meaningless number that it spits out without context is what everyone and their mother cares about. Giving that meter to everyone will simply increase the amount of morons doing that because as it stands now only a third of the entire populations idiots can abuse it since like 2% of the community uses it for its true purpose. The reason has been staring you in the face if everyone gets the meter then everything become a competition because someone has to come in 1st 2nd and third place which will lead to more people being dumb elitists because now they have a "scoreboard" to point to.