Feast, all luck.

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Originally Posted by SaveTheSunF1R3x

Man, i had 2 promos back to back. Nothing but new players on my team vs silver+ players. How is this fair for my teammate and I :/ i know i shouldn't be playing on the weekend but come on.

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Ya matching should be done by role and not the team collectively.

New dps vs new dps
amazing healer vs amazing healer

Also The way WoW handles long ques is that the longer a que gets the more likely it compensate by matching you vs people who are lower rated than you. Obviously should the person who's role rating is lower than the counterpart loses less rating while the person with the higher rating stands to lose more rating than normal if they lose.

SE needs to get away from this constant +25 -25 type system, just reaffirms that matchmaking has a lot of luck mixed in that tries to make every single match a 50/50 chance of loss or victory

I've been trying to get out of silver for weeks, but I'm not a damage dealer, I'm a tank. So to see damage dealers that I can't carry gets old and fast. I very much am under the belief that the Feast is luck if you wish to play a support role. It seems to be either damage or bust if you want to actually climb the ladder.

Just want to share this matchup I got during my gold qualifier.
http://i.imgur.com/5ITPN54.png

it's hard to fight for a win if my group is not doing enough damage, often the group doing more damage win, i can't fight the fact i have new player in my team too.
get 60/100 ratio i need to be ranked as tank seem based a on the luck of the group i get.
i see a lot of new players joining, i can't blame new player btw, i tryed to get in queue on 8vs8 or frontline in chaos data center, it don't procced in 45 minutes,
it's all die, new players can't try pvp before get in the feast 4vs4 actualy.
But there still players asking new player to not queue again.
it will not help the pvp community , the pvp community is too small to ask new player to not queue...
I hope also for contribution on the point, something more skill based or role based.
also there is not enough reward to buy with wolfmark, when you know only 100 players by datacenter will get the reward, lack of other rewards will not encourage player out from of the rank list queuing.

http://i.imgur.com/kEGB4Dw.png
when will this promo nightmare end
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Looking at the top players in solo rank, I think it comes down to just playing more Feast Bevis m because most of their win ratios are nothing impressive...some even as low as around 40%.

where did you see that ?
i saw primal, aether, chaos, top is at least 50/100 win ratio.
and what is the mess here is see someone with 620 match with a 52/100 win ratio be second, when the first only have do 355 match have a 56/100 ratio and he is first.
Do more match don't give you a lot more in the scoring, the important thing still the ratio.
For me you need at least the 50/100 ratio to get ranked in the 100 first place.
also have a higher match total can be a mess too, the community is small, so you wait more in queue atm,
when the feast season begin it was instant queue.

Sorry not 40%, I meant 50%...damn fat fingers...

everyone don't get 50/100 it's a impressive win ratio,
if i get some few games, one with a new healer, one where the enemy group is better,
and one where we win is equal to 2 looses and a win, 33/100 win ratio
get 50/100 where you can't carry a new healer or a new player in general, 50/100 is impressive.
and doing more match if you can't have this ratio is useless, i get 56/100 last week, this week was just a mess i got 40/100,
it's boring to say this, but you just bet on a win streak, you get your 900 to 1000 point and you don't play anymore, because this is also what some players is doing but i don't like this, this is not how it's suposed to work.
Or you don't care of the reward also it will may be help.

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Originally Posted by kisada

OP, where do you think you should actually be ranked? And can I ask what rating you think you deserve?

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Probably wouldn't know to be fair. especially with the modes we currently have there's really no way to determine that now is there?

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

Looking at the top players in solo rank, I think it comes down to just playing more Feast Bevis m because most of their win ratios are nothing impressive...some even as low as around 40%.

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The top 10 (on primal at least) almost all have 60% or higher win rate with a significant amount of games played (as in games played upwards of 140 as opposed to the 60% win rates of ppl with less than 100 games played) which makes it impressive. There's only one person up there really who brute forced their way into the top 10 by virtue of having played an obscenely high amount of games compared to the rest.

As for the original OP of the thread, I'd agree he can easily be in the top 100 right now, idk if he quit for now or what, and can make the top 25 but i disagree with the top 10 definitely. Everyone has to put up with the random nature of solo queue which is why you see so many cycles of people climbing and falling but most of the top 10 have been a rock up there for a while, setting themselves apart from the rest.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

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Aye, the one that brute-forced his way up there was a healer, and he has to do that, since healers can't carry a team as much as dps can :/ He has to work even harder to get the same place as the others.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Aye, the one that brute-forced his way up there was a healer, and he has to do that, since healers can't carry a team as much as dps can :/ He has to work even harder to get the same place as the others.

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Ya, the guy is able to maintain a 54% winrate so you can actually climb with that. It just means that if you play 100 games you may win around 54 of them vs 46 losses and be positive around 100 points(Because the losses hurt a lot more than a win in rating). It just means he has to play 500 more games than the mch who is higher than him now xD

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Aye, the one that brute-forced his way up there was a healer, and he has to do that, since healers can't carry a team as much as dps can :/ He has to work even harder to get the same place as the others.

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Yup. Just to be clear also in case it came across that way, I wasn't implying that he/she didn't belong in the top 10. I've played with that person and have witnessed first hand how skilled they are at healing. He/she deserves the slot among the top 10 and the fact that their win rate isn't as high as the other dps in the top 10 is just further testament as to how hard and unrewarding healing in feast is.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Yup. Just to be clear also in case it came across that way, I wasn't implying that he/she didn't belong in the top 10. I've played with that person and have witnessed first hand how skilled they are at healing. He/she deserves the slot among the top 10 and the fact that their win rate isn't as high as the other dps in the top 10 is just further testament as to how hard and unrewarding healing in feast is.

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Can confirm this. i'm currently brute forcing my way there with a 43% winrate over about 400 games (rofl). It's been brutal to say the least. I'm just happy i've been able to progress at all. Tbh i feel like healing in the feast has definitely strengthened "me" as a player and i look forward to the future iterations.

I think many people who are being discouraged from the constant up/down of rating may not be looking at the actual win/loss counts of players in the top 100 (not necessarily the ratios, but the actual wins and losses). It's clear that dps has the most carrying potential among all roles, but there is only one person on my entire datacenter (Primal) with higher than an 80% win ratio, and they aren't in the top 10 as of today. Everyone else on the list is hovering between high 40s and high 60s. It seems that brute forcing it through the ranking is really the only answer for anyone because there will always be the random factor of the solo queue. Healers and tanks will definitely have a harder time of this, but everyone is bound to go up/down.

For example, the current top person on Primal has a 60.9% win ratio as a dps. He's won 233 out of 382 games according to today's rankings. I've personally played with him and he's a great player, but that's 149 games that he lost... I feel like I PvP a lot and I have only played 164 games this season... So I've only really played slightly more games than he's lost, and yet he still played enough (and won enough) to secure the top spot on our datacenter. So... I could sit here and feel sorry for myself because I am sometimes getting handed teams that stack the odds against me from the getgo... or I could just look at people who have played waaaaaaay more than me and realize that this is what I have to do to work my way up.

There are definitely flaws with the way matchmaking is handled, and I think even the top ranked players would agree with this. I just don't think any of these things will be adjusted/changed mid-season, so we will have to deal with it for now. I am HOPING they keep some sort of data about previous games so that they an analyze it and made adjustments for the future seasons. I think FFXIV PvP has a lot of potential, but it's going to take some time until it's tweaked to perfection.

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Originally Posted by Makado

So I have been doing a lot of feast.

As tank - WAR, typical match includes being matched with 2 DPS who I do as much or more damage then, keep other teams heals stun + holmgang and DPS cannot kill anyone.

As heals - DPS and tank cannot kill anyone.

As DPS - Typical match includes me doing markedly higher DPS then everyone else, while either having a tank and DPS who are horrible or the usual - ranked healer that is horrible

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thats the case with me as well. I tend to switch jobs if I lost a match because the tank had 10 stacks died and we killed them again then he again gets 7 stacks... then last 40 secs he stand still instead of kiting and die again.. like all the hardwork i done for killing them multiple times go to waste... then i switch to tank the next match... then i end up with bad dps not killing enemy player. and then again the DCs happen

http://i.imgur.com/xiWgHLV.png
http://i.imgur.com/0yPXKve.png
The amazing tale of SunFirex's gold promos :,D
Can i continue complaining? The black mage in that last match fed and left the game btw @ __ @

It definitely has been a role tango for me in Feast and I think that may be one of the contributing factors as to why my win rate has dropped below 50%.

I was maining BRD back when people would just go "RIP BRD, gg" at the start of the match in party chat, but I was still leading the kills and dps output. I was noticing that tanks were playing really bad at the start, so I decided to switch to my WAR...

...and now I just watch helplessly as our dps burst like a wet noodle, ignore the buff boxes and run around like Benny Hill. It is nearly impossible to carry a team as a WAR, same as with healer.

...now that BRDs are all the rage and back in good favour and tanks seem to be saturated atm, I go and switch to BRD and now the queues for ranged are RIP. Now we have tanks queuing for instant pop and throwing matches last minute due to stacks and LoS derps.

So...back to WAR...(SIGH).

I hear you, Chevronon. I main DRK, and while my win rate currently is nothing special, I've been getting gradually more and more merciless and have figured out some interesting nuances to DRK. Like the fact that in a little over 3s (enough time for a stun... look at that!) I can push out close to 2,500 potency in ideal conditions. Which is really impressive for a tank. So hearing "wtf, stop playing DRK" on a regular basis definitely can make you not want to play it.

Also, I wish it was bad tanks for me, I only get bad healers and bad DPS because I'm playing a tank. Can I please stop having higher total kills and damage than the rest of my team already so I can get out of silver? There's also this one guy who bashes me because I've been in silver for weeks, without realizing that I only play a tank in PvP because that's all I'm comfortable as. Which means that yes, getting out of silver is hard.

Mini, play the class you love. F*ck everyone else.

I was fortunate in that I equally enjoy playing BRD and WAR in Feast,so I don't feel like I'm losing any fun by playing either or.

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Originally Posted by MiniPrinny

I main DRK

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And here I thought I was the only one...

You know, I've not actually gotten that much grief for playing Dark Knight... Quite the opposite actually... I don't know if I'm just playing well, or people hand commendations out randomly (it's that one, I know), or what, but I've gotten plenty off Feast at this point... Had a few terrible people who decided Dark Knight has no burst (lol...) and just opted to sit there and do nothing, but I've had far more people who've praised my timely use of Stun/Carnal Chill, and I don't actually remember the last time my Job was blamed for a loss, instead I usually get a "Good Job" while the DPS rightly get called out on their inability to DPS, or the healer gets chewed up for never healing...

I think Chaos just has a better community in general though, I've seen plenty of salt, but no where near as bad as what I've heard coming from other data centers...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I think Chaos just has a better community in general though, I've seen plenty of salt, but no where near as bad as what I've heard coming from other data centers...

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I've held the belief for a while now that the EU groups in games are healthier in general. It may just be my data cluster though, Aether, housing both Gilgamesh and Balmung, tends to pop up a lot of nasty people from those servers. Makes me sad, since I can't help but wonder if I get judged negatively by others because I chose Balmung way back in the pre-release.

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Originally Posted by Chevronone

Mini, play the class you love. F*ck everyone else.

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Basically my view for the past five years.

I main DRK as well, now DRK's pvp skills got amazing buff, its actually quite good as a debuffers.

But i am using WAR nevertheless... Salted Earth, which has 575 potency over time, is actually wasted, since there are little good players that will be standing in it for full duration.
and double fell cleave most of the times keeps healer busy long enough, so dps can do the work. Triple, if you won't get stunned/bound/slept

I don't think Dark Knight is nearly as bad as people like to thing... Definitely the weakest of the three overall, but by no means is it unforgivably awful... I think the main issue is MP management, I'd say it makes Dark Knight harder to play efficiently than either Paladin or Warrior, and the result is a lot of really bad Dark Knights... It's a Job that's absolutely awful when played badly, and maybe OK when played well...

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Originally Posted by Yuni_Queen

Salted Earth, which has 575 potency over time, is actually wasted, since there are little good players that will be standing in it for full duration.

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I kinda wish they'd change these... Doton is OK due to the Heavy effect, but Flaming Arrow and Salted Earth? Don't really do much in PvP at this point... Kinda wish they'd change them to effectively just be DoTs... Still place them, but rather than standing in it to take damage, you stand on it and get a DoT that deals the damage... That would actually improve their current use as well, right now you can run over them for no real impact, but if they worked like this? Run over it and you're hit with a fairly potent DoT...

They'd still not be the most amazing skills in PvP, but at least they'd act nicer as path denial and slightly offsetting regen...