Which Tank job do you think is harder to heal?

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Originally Posted by KiraKarea

The hardest tank to heal is Dragoon, imo.

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I didnt realise the floor did that much damage to whatever is tanking it.......

Dark Knight is the only class i see giant fluctuations in HP from. So i guess that.

On a side note

I'd like to state your all wrong and that the hardest tank to actually heal is Titan Egi

Only true masters can heal Titan tank and a full party effectively :p

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

Using no CDs is hard to heal

Staying in OT stance without using CDs and no vitality/parry was even harder to heal.

It just so happens that WAR uses their OT stance a lot more than the other tanks. From my experience ofc.

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And we're met with the same argument; those are the players. As far as I know, we're talking about the jobs, when played properly. Then again, even your point mentions the fact that they're hard to heal without CDs both in and out of the tanking stance. And that still has nothing to do with stacking VIT and Parry, which neither made it easier than wearing STR, and in my experience, it made it actually harder.

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

And we're met with the same argument; those are the players. As far as I know, we're talking about the jobs, when played properly. Then again, even your point mentions the fact that they're hard to heal without CDs both in and out of the tanking stance. And that still has nothing to do with stacking VIT and Parry, which neither made it easier than wearing STR, and in my experience, it made it actually harder.

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The tank jobs are equal. I was talking about my experiences with people to begin with so idk what your deal is.

And vitality and parry can make a difference but it's clear you didn't raid in Gordias savage as I did. Parry is a shit stat yeah, but vitality is definitely helps. Can you recall why tank damage needed to be re calculated?

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

The tank jobs are equal. I was talking about my experiences with people to begin with so idk what your deal is.

And vitality and parry can make a difference but it's clear you didn't raid in Gordias savage as I did. Parry is a shit stat yeah, but vitality is definitely helps. Can you recall why tank damage needed to be re calculated?

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My deal is I'm trying to stay on topic, so I was answering the title of the thread. And yes, I did raid Savage on launch lol. I was pentamelded, and Parry stinks the same way it did then. Honestly, people went full STR to everything for a reason, and neither you or me are gonna change what happened in the past. Funny how you said it was clear I didn't do Savage when I started going there the first day of its release, so you might want to think you're wrong? I don't know. Also, what does the damage nerf have to do with anything said here, especially when it can't be compared to how it was then and now?

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

My deal is I'm trying to stay on topic, so I was answering the title of the thread. And yes, I did raid Savage on launch lol. I was pentamelded, and Parry stinks the same way it did then. Honestly, people went full STR to everything for a reason, and neither you or me are gonna change what happend in the past. Funny how you said it was clear I didn't do Savage when I started going there the first day of its release, so you might want to think you're wrong? I don't know. Also, what does the damage nerf have to do with anything said here, especially when it can't be compared to how it was then and now?

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This topic derailed as soon as the replies came rolling in. Apparently having an opinion in a thread that asks "what do you THINK is the hardest tank to heal." is wrong. I speak from experiences that WAR dropped faster because of full strength deliverance and no cds. Now proceed to debate with me till you're blue in the face.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

This topic derailed as soon as the replies came rolling in. Apparently having an opinion in a thread that asks "what do you THINK is the hardest tank to heal." is wrong. I speak from experiences that WAR dropped faster because of full strength deliverance and no cds. Now proceed to debate with me till you're blue in the face.

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Lol that's alright, but you're still not talking about what job is harder to heal, just what kind of players are. I mean, that's unfair to WARs that actually play properly, judging a job because of people who would play equally as bad as any other tank. They wouldn't be easier to heal if they were on PLD or DRK.
You're the one who took it to heart when you assumed things about me (being wrong, by the way); I didn't talk about you. So hey, moving on!

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

Lol that's alright, but you're still not talking about what job is harder to heal, just what kind of players are. I mean, that's unfair to WARs that actually play properly, judging a job because of people who would play equally as bad as any other tank. They wouldn't be easier to heal if they were on PLD or DRK.
You're the one who took it to heart when you assumed things about me (being wrong, by the way); I didn't talk about you. So hey, moving on!

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Yeah you got me there i wasnt able to clear a3s at all. You say you cleared all full strength with no issues , thats awesome. I still think full str right side WARs drop faster when using no cds.

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Originally Posted by Jhett_Magnum

Yeah you got me there i wasnt able to clear a3s at all. You say you cleared all full strength with no issues , thats awesome. I still think full str right side WARs drop faster when using no cds.

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Dark knights feel like paper to heal. I feel pity for whatever healer is stuck healing them.

Easiest to heal is the Warrior.

All healers are equally able to heal each tank. The only reason one might seem harder to heal is because of the tank stances each has. Usually warriors are "harder" because their tank stance doesn't decrease their incoming damage but increases their HP pool, and incoming heals in general.

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Originally Posted by Fived

I hate hate HATE healing tanks that think they should put stone skin on themselves before every pull in 4 man content. The way I see it, if I need SS to keep you alive in this content, then I will give it to you. Meanwhile, we are clearing this content and no one is dying, why come to a complete stop between trash pulls just so you can have a little buff. Things I hate about each tank:
PLD - Stone Skin Junkies.
WAR - Running in circles trying to attack mobs
DRK - Living Dead when not needed

Just generalizations of each class, obviously skill > class. But those are my pet peeves. But a tank that keeps agro like a fat kid with a cookie... love em'!

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The reason a tank casts stoneskin on himself isn't that he's afraid of dying, but rather to give you, the healer, some extra time to DPS and apply your DoTs at the start of the fight before you have to start curing.

As a healer, that stoneskin can absolutely be the difference between being able to Bane combo at the start of the fight or just cure bombing, and the loss of a bane combo from the healer will eat way more than the 3 secs to cast stoneskin.

Of course if the time lost from a tank casting stoneskin on himself annoys you so much perhaps instead of the tank needing to stop and cast it himself you could just cast it on him at the end of the last fight and use sprint to catch up.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Dark knights feel like paper to heal. I feel pity for whatever healer is stuck healing them.

Easiest to heal is the Warrior.

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If a drk use his CD wisely he is as resistant as à pld and has à great self healing ability, a blessing to heal.
War are cool because they are a fat piece of meat with a lot of HP to soak in the damage XD

Pretty much the tank that doesn't use CDs.

Dark Knights usually seem the most challenging for me. I'm not sure why it is, but their HP just seems to go down so fast.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

Dark Knights usually seem the most challenging for me. I'm not sure why it is, but their HP just seems to go down so fast.

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Might be because its attracted many people who havent tank much before, so i also find in DF the DRK tend to be a little more squishy than the other two tanks.

However, when you get someone who has put a lot of time and effort into learning DRK, they are lols easy to heal :).

Parry is laughable as a means of reliable mitigation. For those that don't know how tanking works, the game looks for a critical hit, then a block, then a parry. So simply getting one of the previous damages means parry is just skipped in a sense. It's the least desired secondary stat because of how the damage calculation works. As a tank you are better off with others, stacking that stat is just not efficient in the least bit. You also can't block magic.

DRK has really good HP mitigation right up there with Warrior. A lot of bad DF tanks probably are first-time tanks, and they are likely dank knights. Yet still have no clue how to use their skills like the Souleater combo or Dark Arts+Abyssal Drain to gain back HP. Then if you are really unlucky they hadn't leveled up any GLD or MRD to get the simple cooldowns like bloodbath and the one that really helps healers, Convo. But of course if they are dank, they aren't using cooldowns in the first place so it probably doesn't matter anyway. Learning to tank and handling the tanking job that requires using more buttons to be efficient or play gud is just asking for it.

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

If a drk use his CD wisely he is as resistant as à pld and has à great self healing ability, a blessing to heal.
War are cool because they are a fat piece of meat with a lot of HP to soak in the damage XD

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I dunno about that. I always tank aggressively when I can, and while WAR or PLD feel like an impregnable wall, DRK feels so incredibly fragile, even with frequent and intelligent cool down usage. Souleater's HP drain also isn't accessible non-Grit.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

I dunno about that. I always tank aggressively when I can, and while WAR or PLD feel like an impregnable wall, DRK feels so incredibly fragile, even with frequent and intelligent cool down usage. Souleater's HP drain also isn't accessible non-Grit.

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You may not play it properly.

Hardest to heal order: Drk - War - Pal.

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Originally Posted by AngelicSence

Hardest to heal order: Drk - War - Pal.

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^^^^^^This

I have a love-hate relationship with Warriors.

In the hands of a skilled player, healing Warriors is amazing - in that it is hardly necessary. A good Warrior can sustain themselves for a significant portion of time, allowing me to help DPS down mobs.

However, terrible Warriors, which is unfortunately the majority from my experience, need constant babysitting because they just want to "HURR DURR I'M A TANK DPS!" and not use any defensive cooldowns or self-healing abilities.

So, Warriors are systematically both my favorite and least favorite tank to heal. Go figure.

As DRK/PLD I can say, DRK is squishier than PLD in a big pull even with cooldowns. Most enemies in the game deal physical damage I can see my DRK jumps down quick while my PLD's hp is slowly dropping in the same dungeon @.@

From easy to hard for me they are PLD > DRK > WAR.

PLD and DRK aren't really much different honestly though sometime if a DRK don't use wisely his buffs the HP can fall a bit. Then Hallowed Ground >>> Living Dead.

WAR is a completely different thing, their HP fall fast and it makes you feel unsure about DPSing or do something else cause they are hard to fill back.

It's not bad, just different styles but asking who's harder to heal it's clearly WAR.

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Originally Posted by Tsurayu

I have a love-hate relationship with Warriors.

In the hands of a skilled player, healing Warriors is amazing - in that it is hardly necessary. A good Warrior can sustain themselves for a significant portion of time, allowing me to help DPS down mobs.

However, terrible Warriors, which is unfortunately the majority from my experience, need constant babysitting because they just want to "HURR DURR I'M A TANK DPS!" and not use any defensive cooldowns or self-healing abilities.

So, Warriors are systematically both my favorite and least favorite tank to heal. Go figure.

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This. WAR is the easiest if played well, and the hardest if not.

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Originally Posted by Ebonwings

As DRK/PLD I can say, DRK is squishier than PLD in a big pull even with cooldowns. Most enemies in the game deal physical damage I can see my DRK jumps down quick while my PLD's hp is slowly dropping in the same dungeon @.@

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Big pulls, DA+AD. Spam that, love it.

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Originally Posted by Tanathya

Big pulls, DA+AD. Spam that, love it.

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OMG I love that combo ! DA+AD+CS+ BP the mother of all hatred and mp XD I must admit DRK is aggro magnet in big pulls.

The one that doesn't use proper CDs.

I'm gona say about the same for all 3 (Friend has all 3 at 60, ilv205 min & has been my Tank as each a few times for roulletes to my WHM) WAR has slightly bigger HP dips (1-3% depending) DRK makes u feal like u'r watching a war of atrision if all u do is cast regens for a bit (so the yo-yo we all know) & PLD seems less in DMG taken but mostly due to the RNG of their only defining trait a Shield.

As for crap Tanks (IE no Def CD's & barrly avoiding most/some AoE's) thats situational baced on Gear, ilv of said gear, AoE strength & numbers, pull size, etc. I do know they all start out "Bad" & can dip into "Nightmare" & a funny 1 that remonds me of a FPS on a diff console "Unfrigginbelieveable" (which to me is "Nightmare" level hard to heal mixed with an Arrgo-tastrify & usually ending in 1 fast, horrible, messy wipe... leaving u fealing violated after.... these normal result in rage-heal-quit, pull-less-tank or full-on-tank-boot)

Wars keep scaring me when they go into deliverence when they have 8+ adds on them ;-; " why are you suddenly taking so much more damage!? Oh.... Deliverance...."

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Wars keep scaring me when they go into deliverence when they have 8+ adds on them ;-; " why are you suddenly taking so much more damage!? Oh.... Deliverance...."

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If they are going into Deliverance they should always be popping a cooldown when they do it to make up for the difference. Usually when tanking a lot of mobs you probably dont want to be in deliverance for too long for enmity and healer reasons if it is a long pull.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Oh.... Deliverance...."

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Ned Beatty hates Deliverance too.

The amount of incoming damage on a warrior in Deliverance is the same as in Defiance, though. Incoming healing, on the other hand :P

Tanks that doesnt use CDs at all are the worst or use them at the wrong times.. ><
Example: I did 3 antitower and I had a WAR who was actually taking less damage than my prior run with PLD and that PLD was better geared... So I dont really care which tank I get

I'm still leveling my AST, but while the player matters the most, I find I get to spend the least amount of time in cleric stance when running with DRK tanks.

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Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

The amount of incoming damage on a warrior in Deliverance is the same as in Defiance, though. Incoming healing, on the other hand :P

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That is easily made up from HP-gain from Bloodbath+Berzerk, then going to Decimate and Overpower town. So much HP can be gained from hitting packs of AoE mobs in Deliverance. But of course you got the PuG e-peen warriors that just care about numbers and not realizing those two cooldowns are so in-sync with each other to keep their HP going up.

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Warrior w/o cooldowns
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Darkknight w/o cd´s
Paladin w/o cd´s
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