Lore questions about Miqo'te

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Not quite so clearly, actually.


Since she goes on, still using "it" as the subject, I doubt she's talking about his longevity as "the maniacal ravings of a [...] madman". Sure, it might just be poor grammar use, but... "Poor grammar" is not going to be my assumption when playing an official game.



Quite possibly, but I'd still argue that in-game information trumps out-of-game information. Like I said, it might be just poor wording. Gods know it's tricky to proofread your own texts because your brain tells you it's obvious what it means (because you know the intention), when an outsider can tell you it can be interpreted in several ways, and only one of those is the way you intended.



Wait... You're saying that there'd be no surprise/shock because it's not supposed to be possible.


Aaaanyway, this is a complete aside from the thread topic in general.

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Yet you insist on "being right" when proven wrong by official sources. So. Stop please.

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Originally Posted by Krissey

Yet you insist on "being right" when proven wrong by official sources. So. Stop please.

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I wasn't insisting on being right, just saying that the in-game information gives a completely different impression. And that to me personally, in-game information trumps information given outside of the game which makes the clash with Fernehalwes' post disconcerting to me. I'm not claiming that Fernhalwes is wrong, just that it was not the impression I got.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

I wasn't insisting on being right, just saying that the in-game information gives a completely different impression. And that to me personally, in-game information trumps information given outside of the game which makes the clash with Fernehalwes' post disconcerting to me. I'm not claiming that Fernhalwes is wrong, just that it was not the impression I got.

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Well I'll clarify for you. The use of "it" in that sentence means "I've never seen a scenario quite like this before." Therefore the entire thing. A long lived lalafell who meditated through a jail cell thing. The "it' not uncommon" impression you get is that people in jail are often insane, therefore another insane person in prison isn't surprising.

You're twisting the narrative so hard to confirm your bias instead of reading it objectively.

Furthermore in reading the dialogue as notated here: http://xivdb.com/quest/66609/Taking+The+Black there is no such mention of "I've never seen anything like it." Granted it's not direct screen shots, but it seems to be word for word transcribing from the game.

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Originally Posted by Krissey

Well I'll clarify for you. The use of "it" in that sentence means "I've never seen a scenario quite like this before."[...] there is no such mention of "I've never seen anything like it." Granted it's not direct screen shots, but it seems to be word for word transcribing from the game.

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^^; You can't argue for both facts. I went by what someone quoted, which I admit was my mistake; I should have double-checked. However, the dialogue from xivdb is even less 'shocked' over the longevity. It mentions it casually, then goes on to reveal what Ququruka claims, concluding with the opinion that Ququruka's tale is a farce he made up. Even less reference to the entire "serving one hundred years of a life sentence" being something out of the ordinary. With nothing else to go by (since I don't frequent the Lore forum), I took that to imply that Lalafells living for well over a century -- I have a vague recollection of a mention of him studying for longer than aforementioned one hundred years, but since I can't find it in that quest dialogue or the one after it, it might have been non-quest NPC dialogue with Lalai -- isn't completely uncommon.

I'm not twisting the narrative, though I admit I went by the memory of how I interpreted the quest dialogue and applied it to the quoted text, without checking to make sure said quoted text was correct. I'll also admit there might be differences in the various localizations -- it wouldn't be the first time the English localization is easy to misinterpret.

In the same exact Lore Panel, it was also stated that in-game characters (NPCs included) lie. Or tell what they /believe/ is the truth. There's a ton of misinformation being spread around because people within the setting simply don't know.

The prime example I usually see given is the whole Drowned Wench in Sastasha Hard Mode. Those aren't dead ladies. Those are Allagan experiments. The folklore surrounding them has gotten muddled.

But this part of the thread has -really- strayed from the topic. Why not go post a thread in the Lore section to have more cited facts tossed around?

Not incorrect text, just different version. The 1.0 and 2.0 versions of the quest are nearly identical. I have most 1.0 quest text on hand in my notes, so those are my go-to for quoting. While I also frequently do use xivdb dialogue for quotes, you should know that there are several quest pages that leave out large swathes of dialogue. So I went and verified the 2.0 texts by rewatching the cutscenes to make sure they were fully accurate.

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Originally Posted by Yayake

I've been waiting for you─in a way. Please, let me explain. Do you know of the Marasaja Pit? It is a prison, here in Ul'dah. In prison, a man will do most anything to keep his mind occupied. Indeed, of late one of the inmates claims to hear the voice of Nald'thal. No doubt he has lost his mind after serving one hundred years of his life sentence. He claims the Traders revealed to him that an adventurer bearing your name would come to hunt down foul beasts to procure what he calls the Gem of Shatotto. And with this gem would come the prisoner's freedom.

I've never seen anything quite like it. Of course, I make it for nothing more than the maniacal ravings of a cellcrazed, sweatytoothed madman. His name is Ququruka, and as if his story were not proof enough of his lunacy, he also styles himself a black mage. But such magic was lost to Eorzea centuries ago. Who does this senile charlatan think he will fool with such rubbish? <sigh> Nevertheless, some among the Order believe it ill-advised to ignore his words. And though I am still no believer, you have come, as he said you would.

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Originally Posted by Yayake

I've been waiting for you─in a way. Please, let me explain. Do you know of the Marasaja Pit? It is a prison, here in Ul'dah. In prison, a man will do most anything to keep his mind occupied. Of late, one inmate claims to hear the voice of Nald'thal. No doubt he has lost his mind after serving one hundred years of a life sentence. But, he knew of you by name, Sounsyy, and maintains the Traders demand you win the Gem of Shatotto and exchange it for his release.

A farce, no doubt. I make it for nothing more than the maniacal ravings of a cell-crazed, sweaty-toothed madman. But I fear the only way to be sure is to free him of the Pit. The prisoner's name is Ququruka Tataruka, and as if his story were not proof enough of his lunacy, he also styles himself a black mage. But such magic was lost to Eorzea centuries ago. Who does this senile charlatan think he will fool with such rubbish? <sigh> Nevertheless, he has invoked the name of Nald'thal, and so the Order feels it unwise to ignore his words. Though I am still no believer, you have come, as he said you would.

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So, you have both quotes now. Feel free to pick them apart for shock or whatever emotion you think you should find in regards to Ququruka being old. I still maintain that we have Fernehalwes, the person who got us the lore forums, works side by side with Oda the lore writer, and this quote was taken from an official lore panel saying that all races biologically live the same age and that Ququruka was an exception, not the rule. If that's not enough for you, then I don't really know what to tell you? Believe what you want to believe, but at least provide sources for Lalafell other than Ququruka maintaining such longevity? You keep saying that Yayake's laissez attitude towards his incarceration sentence is evidence of common aging, but I personally don't seem to be reading it that way?


As for the text where Ququruka talks about studying for longer than 100 years, I've quoted it below (the 2.0 version this time). He did study beforehand. He was a young man when he discovered Black Magic, studied it for several years, didn't get anywhere with it until he met the beastman black mages, and then shortly thereafter he imprisoned himself. Which is why in my first post on Ququruka I estimated he was between 30-50 years old prior to his self-imposed incarceration, making him 130-150 at his release. Roughly.

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Originally Posted by Ququruka

No doubt you are all eager to hear what truly transpired one hundred years ago. Being a kindly soul, I shall tell you. I was an ambitious mage in my youth - insatiable in my thirst for knowledge of the arcane. In the course of my studies, I discovered ancient writings which told of a black magic. A magic capable of destroying as only the gods can.

It was innocent at first. Until it wasn't. But then questions began to arise in my mind that demanded answers. Where had all the black mages of old gone? Why had the existence of the art been hidden? And so I probed. Endlessly. Tirelessly. The more I uncovered, the more it drew me in. There was such... power to be had. I was not merely ambitious. I was also vainglorious. I desired recognition. Deference. By accomplishing that which no other could, I sought to make my legacy an eternal one.

Yet the pursuit of black magic was... trying. I would pass days, weeks, months at a time, unsure of how to proceed. And what little progress did come, came but slowly. It was then that I met your ancestors. The Gem of Shatotto, the power to sense magic, the relics - all of these things I owe to them. With their vast knowledge, the slow crawl of my studies turned to leaps and bounds.

I daresay your ancestors sought the same recognition as I. Kazibb Chah, ridiculed by the Amalj'aa for his ingenious analysis of worldly phenomena. Hetali Meloc, named a pariah for not sharing in the small-minded prejudices of the Ixal. Da Gu, a victim of his kind's idiocy, bound never to leave the land of the kobolds. We toiled together, learning what we could. And learn we did. Much and more. Imagining we had gleaned all that was to be known, we prepared to hold a dark rite - one we believed would restore black magic to its fullest expression.

I do not know what came over me. I... Blinded by my own lust for power, I altered one of the incantations. It was... arrogant. Foolish. Our command over the ancient powers we summoned was lost. I watched as the chaotic aether washed over my friends, ripping them apart, only to fuse them together into an... abomination.When I watched what my hubris had created, I mustered all of my strength to see Barbatos sealed behind the voidgate. Sealed- yet not defeated.

Yet I felt myself corrupted by the aether, and was unsure whether I could hold my powers in check. Fearful, I returned to Ul'dah where I manipulated the minds of a few thaumaturges of the Order into believing I had committed some terrible crime. Only with me confined to the depths of the Marasaja Pit could the realm be safe. And there I remained - waiting. Waiting for the coming of one with the power to purify the aether of those three friends with whom I once shared a dream. I do not expect your forgiveness, but I am truly sorry. I am not long for this world. Here, take this relic while I still have strength enough to offer it.

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(Feel free to check the dialogue yourself if you'd like? It's under the quest Always Bet on Black. You can watch it in your inn room.)

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Originally Posted by Sounsyy

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Originally Posted by Yayake

I've been waiting for you─in a way. Please, let me explain. Do you know of the Marasaja Pit? It is a prison, here in Ul'dah. In prison, a man will do most anything to keep his mind occupied. Of late, one inmate claims to hear the voice of Nald'thal. No doubt he has lost his mind after serving one hundred years of a life sentence. But, he knew of you by name, Sounsyy, and maintains the Traders demand you win the Gem of Shatotto and exchange it for his release.

A farce, no doubt. I make it for nothing more than the maniacal ravings of a cell-crazed, sweaty-toothed madman. But I fear the only way to be sure is to free him of the Pit. The prisoner's name is Ququruka Tataruka, and as if his story were not proof enough of his lunacy, he also styles himself a black mage. But such magic was lost to Eorzea centuries ago. Who does this senile charlatan think he will fool with such rubbish? <sigh> Nevertheless, he has invoked the name of Nald'thal, and so the Order feels it unwise to ignore his words. Though I am still no believer, you have come, as he said you would.

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So, you have both quotes now. Feel free to pick them apart for shock or whatever emotion you think you should find in regards to Ququruka being old.

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I'm noticing that Yayake goes on to say that Black Magic doesn't exist any more. You then go on to meet four living masters of the black arts. Either Yayake is mistaken, or is lying to you. Her statement on Ququruka being in jail for a century isn't much more reliable.

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Originally Posted by Pells

I'm noticing that Yayake goes on to say that Black Magic doesn't exist any more. You then go on to meet four living masters of the black arts. Either Yayake is mistaken, or is lying to you. Her statement on Ququruka being in jail for a century isn't much more reliable.

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I feel bad for continuing this but, well here goes. As reiichi has mentioned before, the NPCs in the game are not omniscient. Yayake is certainly mistaken. She doesn't believe that there could even be black mages (she certainly thinks Ququruka is a farce). And then keep in mind the next black mages are also mostly beast men who most of Ul'dah see as 'other' but the main truth is that Yayake just simply did not know or did not believe Ququruka.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

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That is true, and I know that few Nuhn's ever really become leaders. My statement was more or less a blanket for all males though. Remember that Seekers of the Sun tribal life is modeled after pride structure of the West African Lion. That is, there is typically 1-3 males per pride overseeing the pride as a whole, while the strongest one ends up fathering the offspring of all the females. I will say that the term "leader" does mean something different in this context, and the context for Seekers, but for the most part the males are the leaders because their primary goal is to protect the tribe/pride structure as a whole and the children/cubs who are too young to venture out themselves. The females in both Seeker tribes and Lion prides do most of the work hunting and gathering, so you could say that from a push-comes-to-shove perspective, they are indeed the "leaders" because they make sure everyone is fed and keeps on surviving, but the males do tend to protect the pride from other males and make sure the strongest genes remain in the genepool (until a male is defeated, in which case they are replaced as the breeding male in both Seeker tribes and Lion prides).

This stuff is fascinating xD
As I'm typing this, all I can hear in my head is Sir David Attenborough's voice T_T

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Originally Posted by Velox

That is true, and I know that few Nuhn's ever really become leaders. My statement was more or less a blanket for all males though. Remember that Seekers of the Sun tribal life is modeled after pride structure of the West African Lion. That is, there is typically 1-3 males per pride overseeing the pride as a whole, while the strongest one ends up fathering the offspring of all the females. I will say that the term "leader" does mean something different in this context, and the context for Seekers, but for the most part the males are the leaders because their primary goal is to protect the tribe/pride structure as a whole and the children/cubs who are too young to venture out themselves. The females in both Seeker tribes and Lion prides do most of the work hunting and gathering, so you could say that from a push-comes-to-shove perspective, they are indeed the "leaders" because they make sure everyone is fed and keeps on surviving, but the males do tend to protect the pride from other males and make sure the strongest genes remain in the genepool (until a male is defeated, in which case they are replaced as the breeding male in both Seeker tribes and Lion prides).

This stuff is fascinating xD
As I'm typing this, all I can hear in my head is Sir David Attenborough's voice T_T

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So what are the other ones based off of? Hyenas? (Who are not cats, but do have similar social structures of roaming males and predominantly female leadership, etc..)

They probably come from felines, not actual cats, but million ago felines. You're seeing this as they come from the "domestic" cat, and that's not the point. Probably, like humans come from the hominid (and not monkeys), they come from a specific feline species. And they evolve like humans to the actual Miqo'te (I know, it is a fantasy game, but the lore says that species evolved with ages). So, lore wise, probably they come from ancient cats-like animals. Also, the lore says all the time they have feline traits. So, I think yes, they have better sense or smell, better sense of hearing (even his ears can turn), balance thank to their tails, they can see in the night (at least the Keepers) and problaby they can make sounds that other races can't like, the purrr, hsss or meow or even unhear sounds. On evolution, some caracteristic can be lost, like the whiskers or the hair in the body (like humans lost most of they hair or tail). Some of their emotes are cat-like, look at his furious emote on girls, they bristle the tail, like cats when they are angry.

About oversexualization, it is know that the cat-like is something like erotic things on some cultures...

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Originally Posted by Krissey

So what are the other ones based off of? Hyenas? (Who are not cats, but do have similar social structures of roaming males and predominantly female leadership, etc..)

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Maybe! There's actually a number of species that have a similar matriarchal-driven tribal structure in which males aren't really wanted until it's time to make babies. Hyenas, bonobos, European honey bees, and macaques all have female-dominated hierarchies which put males at the lowest point on the totem pole of their families/society. SE could have taken inspiration from any one of these animals, or maybe a bit of all of them. Fun stuff :D

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Do the Miqo'te pur lore-wise like real life felines?

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Some seem to have a way of speaking that is a bit like an extended R, or like rolling and R in Spanish, which may produce a purr-like quality. There is also a good chance they may make a psudo-purr when especially pleased or content, but this could vary in how strongly it is expressed from miqo to miqo, or if it is a learned vocalization rather than an involuntary one. In present Eorzea, not all miqo'te grow up in tribes or under the traditional ways.

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Is their tail and ears (and arguably hair) the only furry parts of them?

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Again, I think this one is going to vary from example to example, the same as it does for humans. I imagine some Miqo'te are likely hairier than others, with this occurring more on males, but even some males might be smoother elsewhere. It is possible some miqo'te could have extended fur line running from the base of their tail up their back. Since we only get so many defaults in the models, pretty sure this one is up to players but is feasible by their lore.

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Do they hiss when they're angry like RL cats?

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The female miqo'te has an emote that looks rather like a hiss that you might see from a house cat or a smaller variety of wild cat, though the vocalization sounds less like a true hiss and more like a human 'EEERGH!' of extreme annoyance.
As both varieties of miqo'te are actually based on large cats, especially in their social structures, lions for Seekers and Panthers or cougars for Keepers, they may 'hiss', but it's less likely to sound like a house cat and more like the snarl of a big cat, though it would not be impossible that they could make a more classic hissing sound, as humans are capable of this sound as well, but not as inclined to use it in the same context.

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Do their entire bodies stiffen when angry/attempting to intimate and their hair stand on edge?

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Can't speak for hair standing on end, (though I've imagined my miqo'te's doing that in certain situations), but they do seem to have a few emotes that suggest they might, or at least it's possible. The female Miqo'te's angry emote, and both genders' 'shocked' emote. The females go post rigid upright, and the males do something reminiscent of a hunched back scared cat with tail curled around and ear's plastered to their heads.

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Do they have a superb sense of balance like RL cats?

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Yes. Stated in the miqo'te lore information someone else posted. Though this appears to suggest that it is not a specifically inherent trait, but that most miqo'te are from a very young age practiced in it, and their bodies are very highly suited to it.
That's not to say you can't have a miqo'te who is a total clutz. Not even all cats have superb balance. XD

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Why do they not have whiskers? Or do they just not on their face?

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I imagine, as someone else said, whiskers were no longer really needed, as they use a horizontal form of motion rather than a vertical one. Also, besides as an element of balance, RL cats actually have crap vision up close. Their whiskers generally make up for this. It does not seem to be a problem most miqo'te have unless they suffer eye issues like we can.

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Are their noses generally wet like RL cats?

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I kind of doubt it, as they have skin on their faces more like that of a hyur, and likely sweat through their skin as well.

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Do they have a superb sense of smell/hearing?

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Yes. Also supported by the miqo'te lore text, as well as a few of the quest lines you can do that involve miqo'te hunters, and a few examples, such as G'raha hearing something coming before anyone else does.

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Do they have night vision? (I'd imagine that moon ones would at least)

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I do not know if there is anything that directly confirms, this, but I would imagine yes, as part of their being superb hunters as stated in lore.

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What is their average life-span? Comprable to Hyur?

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Comparable with Hyur. Likely anywhere from 60 to over 100 years.

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Why are they (both males and females) so over sexualized in Ezorea?

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Most races tend to find them attractive. Is it some kind of pheromone they release?
I imagine this has a lot to do a lot with at least two different aspects. On one hand, if you are talking about Seekers at least, they tend to have a far less shy/demure take on sex in general, and being forward about such things, mostly due to how Seeker tribe structure works.
From a physical standpoint, they tend to be very authletic, lithe, have good figures due to their physical life styles, and a great sense of balance. These are things in and of themselves that people find attractive, but it also makes them well suited to being dancers or entertainers, which can attract erotic attention as well. Lore speaking at least.

But in all honesty, the only way to know the sure answers to these would be able to ask the devs themselves.

Apologies for three posts, it was the only way to do more detailed answers as that is a character limit. ^.^

if their legs are so strong as the lore says, maybe they should jump higher? (same for Vieras, maybe...).

A real life cat can jump their own height something around 10 times (or even more) :3

But the devs stated that no race will receive any differential features that could be an advantage in combat in any way. Buuut... they said nothing about outside combat, did they? :D

2016... Plenty of google searches should answer all those questions by now.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

how do people even find these threads? i don’t think this person is a troll, just seems they didn’t pay attention to the original thread year lol

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Probably a google search.

how do people even find these threads? i don’t think this person is a troll, just seems they didn’t pay attention to the original thread year lol

Spay/neuter your pets people.

Also deworm them.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Lore questions about Miqo'te

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There is a Lore section, you will get better answers from their.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Do the Miqo'te pur lore-wise like real life felines?

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Not seen in game from NPCs, seen a bunch from Player Characters, I would say inconclusive at best, but as actual "Cats" are very rare in that world, I would think the feline like species may or may not have that trait, but it is just as likely they don't.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Is their tail and ears (and arguably hair) the only furry parts of them?

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Ears and Tails, as 2 piece bikinis are a thing, and you do not see fur on miqo'te in other places it is safe to say no fur elsewhere. But I should note, there is contradictory statements that make it sound like Miqo'te have a very fine fur coat that covers their skin, the hairs are translucent, but the sources on this are not guaranteed to be true.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Do they hiss when they're angry like RL cats?

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Kind of, ANgry Miqo'te Emotes have them hiss and pose in a angry cat way.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Do their entire bodies stiffen when angry/attempting to intimate and their hair stand on edge?

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Once again look at the angry emote.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Do they have a superb sense of balance like RL cats?

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Yes & No. Miqo'te have a higher Dex starting stat. Sun 23, moon 22. (Note: Wildwoon Elezen, and Rava Viera are tied with Seekers at 23 dex at start.)

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Why do they not have whiskers? Or do they just not on their face?

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Because they are humans with catlike traits. All Player Races are Humans with Traits, but you have to deep dive the lore of the world to understand this, and the origin of racial traits, and even then it's not been fully cleared up even at the end of Endwalker, just strongly hinted at.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Are their noses generally wet like RL cats?

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No, as they have human noses, now Roegadyn, Lalfell, Hrothgar do not have human noses, and as such might have moist noses.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Do they have a superb sense of smell/hearing?

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Smell, no, Hearing better than Hyur, not as good as Elezen, as Elezen in lore have the best hearing of player races.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Do they have night vision? (I'd imagine that moon ones would at least)

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Keepers and Duskwight are the only two tribes referred to as having good darkvision. Seekers of the Sun supposedly have weak nightvision but the sources on that are questionable.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

What is their average life-span? Comprable to Hyur?

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Life spans are a tricky question as only 2 races have been stated as having longer life spans, Elezen and Viera, Elezen were said to have the longest lives (years not indicated, but hinted at least 100 years on average) and Viera in other games are suppose to live 3 to 4 hundred years. But once again, not been said in game.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

Why are they (both males and females) so over sexualized in Ezorea? Most races tend to find them attractive. Is it some kind of pheromone they release?

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That is pop cultures fault, but the game lore does back it up to a degree. Horney Cat folk is an in game meme, as we often see it in quests as a side gag.

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Originally Posted by Velaethia

It is likely they evolved from a cat like species that also evolved into modern cat like animals like the Coerl. So they could still have traits from that. I'm not asking if they have cat-like super powers. That makes no sense. Just if they have more cat-like traits than not. Their ear formation would suggest an enhanced sense of hearing like real cats. Sense of smell however isn't directly stated. Part of a cats balance is from their tail but mostly their whiskers as Miqo lack visible whiskers its to be assumed they don't have exceptional balance. But these are guesses. As for you reasoning of being over sexual wouldn't apply to keepers of the moon who are commonly treated much in the same. Keepers of the moon iirc are a matriarch society opposite to the seekers. I am quite sure that despite their appearance they have more common ancestors to Coerl than to Hyur. Night vision isn't a super power either just a trait, keepers having it would be needed, but do seekers have it too?

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Sadly in the worlds of FFXIV, Evolution is not at play. I don't want to give spoilers, but the method of change, and the creation of new races is in the purview of those who can use Creation Magics.

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

I'm going with them being a byproduct of Allagan experiments.

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Miqo'te come from "the New World" originally, and came across during the flood of ice in the 5th umbral era. Yes it is possible that the Allagan did something, as they were freely using creation magics. But odds are no.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Did someone say popoto soup?

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'' Oversexualized '' in the context of what?
I really hate how people use this term and throw it around every time.
'' Over '' sexualized implies that it's over some line, the only good way I can think of actually judging this in a less arbitrary way is to judge it based on the setting and not irl personal puritan standards.

Red Sonja running around in a loincloth isn't '' oversexualized '' because that's how the setting is in the Conan setting people often/ usually dress after that Barbarian archetype and so does Conan himself ( not always, both Conan and Red Sonja have had different designs at times ).
Red Sonja fits perfectly in that setting she's just in line with how people dress in the setting.
But Red Sonja would be oversexualized in Game of Thrones and so would Conan.

FFXIV is a fictional world with fictional norms, no one bats an eye at this in FFXIV it's clearly not considered wrong or shocking.
Something being sexualized in and of itself isn't OVERsexualized, that word has no actual meaning in how people throw it around.
It's especially frustrating how people use it because it also feels like people are trying to moralize and imply that something is '' problematic '' because they say so and don't personally approve of it.
In EW there's a scene where people are gathering for something ( not gonna spoil ) and you have two Viera walking in who are wearing their cultural attire, and it's not treated as sexual at all no one even bats an eye or reacts to it at all.
It's just treated as normal in the setting so how can it be over the line in any sort of real way that actually matters in this context?