Next Void Ark zone

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Originally Posted by Risaka

I'm not sure if anyone posted this yet but there's a cave in the northeast corner of the Dravanian Forelands which has some Aztec like door tucked there :o

Looks like a possible entrance for that new Void Ark raid map :o

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Based on the information we have, its mostly sure that is not.

The ruins on Dravania, have nothing to do with the ruins of the Mhach.
Those are 2 different civilisations, separated by thousands of years.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Also the ruins of dravania and the mhach has nothing to do with this.

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Um last I checked, Mhach has everything to do with the Void Ark and its successor raid

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Based on the information we have, its mostly sure that is not.

Also the ruins of dravania and the mhach has nothing to do with this.

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It's the Mhach capital that we're going to...

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Originally Posted by Risaka

I'm not sure if anyone posted this yet but there's a cave in the northeast corner of the Dravanian Forelands which has some Aztec like door tucked there :o

Looks like a possible entrance for that new Void Ark raid map :o

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Not likely. The next area is likely the Yafaem Saltmoors, which is to the Southeast of Dravania, just to the northwest of Mor Dhona.

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Originally Posted by Risaka

I'm not sure if anyone posted this yet but there's a cave in the northeast corner of the Dravanian Forelands which has some Aztec like door tucked there :o

Looks like a possible entrance for that new Void Ark raid map :o

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Um last I checked, Mhach has everything to do with the Void Ark and its successor raid

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Originally Posted by Alberel

It's the Mhach capital that we're going to...

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Did you both read the comment of Risaka?

He said that the entrance of the second part of the "Shadow of Mhach" raid, is on the dravanian forelands.
The ruins where the "entrance" is, are the ruins of the elezen people that lived with the dragons after the events of Shiva.

Thats very much obious that is not. The ruins in Dravania Forelands, has no relation what so ever with the Mhach.

Plis read carefully >_>

Your words are sort of muddled. "The ruins of Dravania and the Mhach have nothing to do with this"-- "this" is almost certainly going to be taken to mean 'the next Void Ark zone' as described in the thread title, and Risaka's final line.

Your post definitely comes across as dismissing "the next Void Ark zone" as having "nothing to do with Dravania or Mhach" which is factually incorrect--because as others have pointed out, Void Ark and Mhach are pretty much the same thing--well, Void Ark is a product of the Mhachi anyway. It is correct in establishing the disconnect between Dravania and Void Ark though.

This failure to understand your meaning almost certainly stems from a lesson I learned in high school: "Don't let a sleeping 'this' lie. Make clear what 'this' is!" etc. You might've been served better by clarifying further: "The Mhachi/next Void Ark zone have nothing to do with the Dravanian Ruins in the Forelands" etc.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

Your words are sort of muddled. "The ruins of Dravania and the Mhach have nothing to do with this"-- "this" is almost certainly going to be taken to mean 'the next Void Ark zone' as described in the thread title, and Risaka's final line.

Your post definitely comes across as dismissing "the next Void Ark zone" as having "nothing to do with Dravania or Mhach" which is factually incorrect--because as others have pointed out, Void Ark and Mhach are pretty much the same thing--well, Void Ark is a product of the Mhachi anyway. It is correct in establishing the disconnect between Dravania and Void Ark though.

This failure to understand your meaning almost certainly stems from a lesson I learned in high school: "Don't let a sleeping 'this' lie. Make clear what 'this' is!" etc. You might've been served better by clarifying further: "The Mhachi/next Void Ark zone have nothing to do with the Dravanian Ruins in the Forelands" etc.

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I knew this was the only possible way someone could make an excuse of why they didnt "understand" my comment.
What I wrote what obious and easy to understand, even more with the comment I replyed, if some people misunderstood it, there is nothing I can do. Mistakes happen, just need to read carefully.

Sure you will continue to debate, keeping saing that Im wrong, but well I'm not here for that.

Thanks anyway.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I knew this was the only possible way someone could make an excuse of why they didnt "understand" my comment.
What I wrote what obious and easy to understand, even more with the comment I replyed, if some people misunderstood it, there is nothing I can do. Mistakes happen, just need to read carefully.

Sure you will continue to debate, keeping saing that Im wrong, but well I'm not here for that.

Thanks anyway.

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I also had to read your post a few times to figure out what you meant. I don't think anybody is trying to be mean or 'one up' you.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Did you both read the comment of Risaka?

He said that the entrance of the second part of the "Shadow of Mhach" raid, is on the dravanian forelands.
The ruins where the "entrance" is, are the ruins of the elezen people that lived with the dragons after the events of Shiva.

Thats very much obious that is not. The ruins in Dravania Forelands, has no relation what so ever with the Mhach.

Plis read carefully >_>

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That's not what you said though.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Also the ruins of dravania and the mhach has nothing to do with this.

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In the context of the discussion your comment explicitly meant that the raid has nothing to do with Dravania or Mhach. I know English isn't your first language and this isn't a big deal but everyone did read your post correctly.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I knew this was the only possible way someone could make an excuse of why they didnt "understand" my comment.
What I wrote what obious and easy to understand, even more with the comment I replyed, if some people misunderstood it, there is nothing I can do. Mistakes happen, just need to read carefully.

Sure you will continue to debate, keeping saing that Im wrong, but well I'm not here for that.

Thanks anyway.

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Because it is what you said. You may have meant somethine else, but they way you wrote it means the way he took it. There is no need to be agressive about it. It is just a language barrier mistake.

Just out of curiosity, from what I looked up I could only find short texts about the Yafaem Saltmoore but nothing else, how do you know it is that place? :0

Yea, I suppose the language barrier can be an issue sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

Just out of curiosity, from what I looked up I could only find short texts about the Yafaem Saltmoore but nothing else, how do you know it is that place? :0

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It was the site of the capitol of Mhach. Its most logically where we would be going to explore Mhachi ruins, certainly of the scale we see in the screenshots, and the second raid definitely looks Mhachi from its architecture.

Oh that does makes sense, If it really is, it would be a shame to reduce an entire region to just one raid instance...
So I guess SoM's second raid will then be us raiding the old Mhach palace and the third installment be us fighting Diablos and the queen in the void.
I'm starting to see a pattern coming to birth here given how CT ended in the realm of darkness which is part of the void as well.

How about that big silhouette in chains, a Sephirot type boss fight? Any potential lore about that character around anywhere?

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Originally Posted by myahele

Would not surprise me if the Mhach were founded by survivors of some Allagans. For one thing, the late Allagan period dealt with the Void and its residence.

From what I see the Mhach looked rather technologically advanced compared to Amdapor and Nym.

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There was an entire Astral Era between the fall of the Allag and the Mhach. While the Mhach, and for that matter almost everyone in Eorzea, decend from the Allag since they ruled all of Eorzea for at least several hundred years, the Mhach would have come from a civilisation that grew from the ruins of Allag.

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

Oh that does makes sense, If it really is, it would be a shame to reduce an entire region to just one raid instance...
So I guess SoM's second raid will then be us raiding the old Mhach palace and the third installment be us fighting Diablos and the queen in the void.
I'm starting to see a pattern coming to birth here given how CT ended in the realm of darkness which is part of the void as well.

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I suspect your right about the third raid. Several of the names we have seen reference Mytholical figures, most notably Scáthach which make me think we might also see a connection to Ferdiad who along with Cúchulainn was one of Scáthach students.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sc%C3%A1thach

Interestingly, apart from being a legendary female Warrior, she lived in a place called Dún Scáith which literally translates into Fortress of Shadows, a rather voidsenty sounding location. Third raid location my bet.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom

How about that big silhouette in chains, a Sephirot type boss fight? Any potential lore about that character around anywhere?

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I actually think that may be a statue. It looks like a much larger version of the statues we saw aboard the Void Ark. It could be a boss though, can only speculate really. We know far too little about the Mhach to guess who it could be or who it could represent at this point.

So this rises my two following questions,

1.- Is Mhach a play on the suffix Machy/Machi/Machy that denots war/battles, it fits if you realize all the voidsends regaining power as the Shadows of "War" from the War of the Magi.

and as said here:

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I suspect your right about the third raid. Several of the names we have seen reference Mytholical figures, most notably Scáthach which make me think we might also see a connection to Ferdiad who along with Cúchulainn was one of Scáthach students.

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2.-How Cuchulainn works with the rest of the Espers/Scions because they already used the name? (Tho the one in VA has a strong resemblance to the one of the zodiac). I might be thinking too much bout this point, we already saw a few other names around Eorzea but by no means they are in the same _social circle_

I don't think we should look too much into the FF12 Espers for FF14. Cuchulainn, Ferdiad and Scathach are all voidsent, while Belias is an elder primal. While I think there are references I don't think they are going to copy everything across the same.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I don't think we should look too much into the FF12 Espers for FF14. Cuchulainn, Ferdiad and Scathach are all voidsent, while Belias is an elder primal. While I think there are references I don't think they are going to copy everything across the same.

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Don't forget, Zalera is a fish

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Originally Posted by myahele

Don't forget, Zalera is a fish

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Ah, but if you read the fishing log entry "it has come to be named for the Death Seraph of legend." Now I'm not saying there is a case for Ivalice's Lucavi to appear in Eorzea as such because of this, but it's worth pointing out the fish isn't Zalera itself but named after Zalera, the Death Seraph.

When will they make the Void Ark gear (ilvl 200) turn in-able?

Here's the Pyramid area we were briefly shown
http://i.imgur.com/VQA1pcE.png

What's interesting is that atop the pyramid seems to be a blue orb and what appears to be a type of beacon on top?

I get the feeling that this inside the Pyramid will be the final area of the next act of Shadows of Mhach. Perhaps it'll open up a portal into the Void? The Void Ark was capable of doing it, so I'd imagine the Pyramid in the Mhach capital might be able to do the same.

What's also interesting is the ruins surrounding it appears to be covered in (over-aspected?) crystal similar to the ruins around Mor Dhona. Of course, that might not be the case with just this image. It could be glowing aether of some kind

I'm hoping that the end tier of the VA quest line will be the Interdimensional Rift in the Void.