Now that Playstation VR has a price Could we consider

I should add that all pukiness aside any of the VR prototypes for other games etc. I have tried so far have been really cool - just being able to move your head around to see things in a virtual world makes it seem a lot more real.

$460 just so I can look under miqote skirt? No, thanks.

Virtual reality is legit, and it's not going away.

However, to address counter-points brought up since my post on the previous page:

- The Wii was brought up as a novelty that was forgotten, and I profoundly disagree. The Wii was massively popular, and it's still a popular console in many households. Not only that, but the Wii's implementation of motion controllers is now a standard expectation in gaming technology. Sure, most games don't lean heavily on motion control, but the technology definitely made an impact. It's not that it was forgotten -- more like it's just become mainstream, so it's no longer a big deal. It's like front-facing cameras on smartphones.

- I made it clear in my previous post that VR isn't going to be something that's in every single living room. Rather, it's going to end up being something that's in every single man cave. VR is going to eventually transform the hardcore gaming experience. It will never be a huge thing among casual gamers for the exact same reasons that 3D TVs never replaced household TV sets. But as the technology improves and gets cheaper, having a VR headset is going to be right on par with having a great graphics card.

- The motion sickness issue is still a real problem, but that's another problem that's shrinking as the technology improves. Some VR headsets are worse than others. Most people should be able to play the Oculus and Playstation VR though without problems.

Consider this, though...

We've already seen countless posts on these forums from folks who post their multi-monitor desktop setups to achieve a faux virtual-reality feel.

Once VR headsets hit their stride, who in their right minds would prefer that to actual VR? And before you say multiple monitors allows you to have multiple windows open, realize that you'll eventually be able to do that with VR headsets, too. Only you'll have way more field of view for even more windows.... and you won't need a giant desk for a bunch of monitors you no longer need.

In fact, with a VR headset, you'll be able to get an optimal gaming experience from anywhere with only a good laptop. And just wait for the day when someone creates a VR headset that's able to stream games without needing to hook up to anything. That's still years away, but you can bet that it's coming.

As some people stated, you need a wide field of vision, so first person VR in battle.... NOPE!!

3D effect would be nice enough in 3rd person, it could actually help a little in your space metrics, and unlock first person when not in battle or a new "panoramic camera" mode.

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Originally Posted by ChandraNoctis

This biggest barrier to widely marketable VR seems to be that it makes a high percentage of people motion sick.

The newer higher resolution stuff is supposed to be better but many people still report issues.

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I think it's going to take another tech generation or two before it can become truly widespread due to this. Some people are more susceptible to motion sickness (or to migraines, which I know can be an issue with 3D, so probably with VR as well). The current (or within a few months of current) tech will be good for the less susceptible people, with hope that further improvements in the future can expand that audience.

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Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear

The concept of virtual reality in the gaming world, however, is something that interest has been growing stronger in for years. The level of technology available to the everyday player is really not that advanced and odds are quite a few people will be disappointed that it doesn't quite meet their expectations of what virtual reality should be.

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Well, it's certainly nowhere near being a holodeck, and anything short of that is going to disappoint some people. But I think a lot of us are still going to like the level of immersion it does offer.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Why, it's fad and will be abandoned in a years time.

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So I thought with 3D movies at theaters, but it's been quite a few years now.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

The motion sickness issue is still a real problem, but that's another problem that's shrinking as the technology improves.

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Agreed. People get seasick, but cruise ships are still in business.

14 is one of the confirmed games for playstation vr.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/eve.../1100-6435715/
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/09/1...oject-morpheus
also, price points are 399.99 us/549.99cad/399.99 euros. as a canadian, when i saw that $550 i said forget it

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Originally Posted by FritoBandito

Agreed. People get seasick, but cruise ships are still in business.

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Cruises are a luxury, same with VR.

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Originally Posted by Maero

A little while back Yoshida was actually playing FFXIV with Sony's VR headset, i believe he was fighting Titan Hm, lol
So it must already have the ability set forth
Personally i would not play this game with VR, i would have real bad motion sickness :/

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The way I heard it, it was a specifically created Titan HM that was compatible with VR. It's quite a difference between making one trial compatible with VR and making the entire game compatible ^^;

What im most curious about this is will it fall on the same path as the PC. Nothing but mostly jump scares?

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

There are things that could be done to change current first person to adapt to the VR format:
- widen field of vision to have peripheral vision.

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I think this one is pretty much a given as an integral part of the VR format (with the exception of its "cinematic mode").

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

- make AoE markers extend vertically (should be transparent, of course) so you don't have to look at the ground.

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They need some additional indication, but just extending them to be 3 dimensional might obscure vision too much (despite a semi-transparency), and when you're within one, identifying where the edge of a semi-transparent haze is might be difficult anyway. I'm thinking something like a big red icon on the HUD whenever you're standing on an AoE marker, but then you still have to look down to see where the edge is so you know which way to run. It would be enough so that you'd know when to look for the ground marker, as well as making it clear whether you're on a safe spot when you're near the edge.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

- visual effects would need to be adjusted so that casting doesn't obscure your vision so much.

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I've been wishing (and occasionally requesting) for years that they allow us to turn off a lot of the swirling colored lights that surround everyone with just about any action you can take. It'll be even more important in VR, but I'm hoping they extend it to the traditional TV/monitor view as well.

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Originally Posted by giantslayer

- implement different audio cues for each type of AoE or thing that is currently indicated visually. These audio cues can be designed in such a way that the human ear can perceive the direction it is coming from.
- controller rumble could be used to provide information like whether you are standing in an AoE or not (maybe even have intensity lower as you get further from the center), instead of "shake everything because there are explosions."
- mini map on the HUD could be updated to show AOEs and other things we would normally have to watch the screen for.
- other adjustments would be necessary to make the game less sickening to play in first person.

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Come to think of it, nearly all these changes for making the game more VR friendly would be beneficial regardless of whether you're viewing it through VR or not. (And the peripheral vision one is the only one that would be limited to a VR system.)

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Originally Posted by Evangela

$460 just so I can look under miqote skirt? No, thanks.

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I want to say people wouldnt seriously use it for that....want to..but can't sadly >.<

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Originally Posted by pauleta

14 is one of the confirmed games for playstation vr.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/eve.../1100-6435715/
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2015/09/1...oject-morpheus
also, price points are 399.99 us/549.99cad/399.99 euros. as a canadian, when i saw that $550 i said forget it

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Your forgetting the price in GBP which is £349.99 which is actually affordable. Since that's the same price as the PS4 when it first came out and it's even cheaper in Japan at ¥44,999.

Amazon UK (and apparently a number of other retailers) sold out of their initial pre-order allotment in minutes, so apparently quite a few people want PS VR enough to spend some cash on it. Of course, initial hype doesn't always translate into lasting power, but it certainly indicates a significant interest.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/...shipment-sony/

I will definitely pass on this. I have a bad motion sickness so not going to use it.

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Why, it's fad and will be abandoned in a years time.

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It's hard to say if it's a Fad or not at this point, usually it's something that it easier to see after the fact. Not saying you are wrong, but some things people say are "fads" become the new norm. Video games at one point in time were a "fad" too.

Anyway, I'd consider picking up VR if FFXIV supported it. I'd be interested in it even outisde of the first person view. Namely to be "in" the world of FFXIV, and still looking at my character, etc. Could be really cool.

I haven't tried it yet, and much like Saccharin, I'll hold on to my money until a time where it's too good not to try. The Price point seems right with PS4, so I'll wait and see. :)

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Originally Posted by Alberel

3D TV was a gimmick. It just gave a different way to do what you already did (watch TV/movies) and there's very little in the way of actual 3D TV broadcasting to make a 3D TV worth it. 3D cinema and movies have been extremely successful because they're on a totally different scale but most people won't buy a 3D TV just to watch movies in 3D that are also available in 2D.

VR is different. It's not just playing games in 3D. VR games are built from the ground up for VR. The entire experience is new nd you interact with them entirely differently. You seem to be seeing VR as a new iteration of gaming peripheral when it's actually more on par with being the next big tech jump since TV. VR revolutionizes the entire way media of all forms can be delivered; applications are extensive well beyond gaming.

I'm going to assume you've not actually tried Occulus or Vive? Most of the VR naysayers are skeptics who haven't actually tried it yet... It's also entirely possible to play VR whilst sitting down, not every game requires you to physicially walk around; the fact you use that argument makes me fairly certain you haven't tried it yet.

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You inadvertently hit the nail on the head. They'd have to be built from the ground up for VR. That would mean that there would have to be a significant user base to justify making the game for VR, or VR only and with the current price whch will likely drop but those system requirements are very steep for PC games in general. It might seem like every one has a pair of SLI Titans with i7 overclocked to the heavens but i suspect they dont. Look at how hard it is to get games that run well on PCs instead of a console port.

The games industry itself is very conservative and that's why we really see any new innovate games instead of the annual Call of Duty.

No, I've not tried VR nor did I try 3D TV but I'm sure they are both amazing experiences but would I slap on my VR headset and log in and play FF14 for 30 mins every day. That's a lot of effort and not really needed.

I think that VR should be like 3D movies where you go to a place to experience it rather than an every day technology.

It doesn't make any sense to compare this to 3D T.Vs, as they both sell towards two totally different markets. The "Tv-viewing" market is a rather casual one. I mean; you get your big HD TV and that is all you really need. Gamers though, have a habit of always wanting the best, and it is this ambitious fire which fuels much of the computer market. It's in our nature to want to run faster, process better, see more. In TVs though, it isn't that hardcore.

I believe in VR, and even though I feel liek we should only call VR the kind of "full-dive" stuff we see in SAO. This "semi-vr" is not so bad, and hopfully will lead us into the real deal.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

I want to say people wouldnt seriously use it for that....want to..but can't sadly >.<

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Well when you're a short lalafell and looking up towards so many tall people....

I may be in the minority on this subject. But I'd rather SE not bother wasting development time on a gimmick like VR and instead use that development time on more content.

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Originally Posted by AnduinLynn

It doesn't make any sense to compare this to 3D T.Vs, as they both sell towards two totally different markets. The "Tv-viewing" market is a rather casual one. I mean; you get your big HD TV and that is all you really need. Gamers though, have a habit of always wanting the best, and it is this ambitious fire which fuels much of the computer market. It's in our nature to want to run faster, process better, see more. In TVs though, it isn't that hardcore.

I believe in VR, and even though I feel liek we should only call VR the kind of "full-dive" stuff we see in SAO. This "semi-vr" is not so bad, and hopfully will lead us into the real deal.

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I never said it was the same, I said they are technologies that are not suited to everyday gaming.