Why 4.0 should have a zone with danger, no ports, no mounts, and a hidden town

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Originally Posted by mirta000

I don't mind more open world things to do, however I would disagree with the topics idea of putting something extra somewhere inconvenient for extra exploration value, or with your statement that new zones shouldn't be developer at all if they're going to be like they are right now.

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That's just me being negative. I wouldn't really wish for them to stop developing more zones, but if they're gonna develop them then they should put them into more good use instead of abandoning them and bandaging them with relic grind requirements or whatever, and I'm not really sure why SE persist on reviving FATEs.

I've tried leveling up with only FATEs from level 50-60 and it's really dreadful, but good thing the parties I've been on are very laid-back and sociable (which I think is missing on instanced dungeons because people wanna speedrun it and leave immediately than waste time socializing). It gets even worse when the FATEs scale up because it takes too long to kill monsters and most FATEs aren't that fun at all. FATEs also do not give any good leveling gear so that makes dungeons better doing instead...

I desperately need a dislike button for this.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

The issue is that the reason this worked in FFXI isn't because people "Just wanted to explore", it was also compounded by the fact that some of these areas were required for certain things.

For example, getting your scroll of Utsusemi: Ichi (IIRC) required a trip to Norg. Otherwise, Norg was a ghost town - nobody ever really went there outside of their quests or resetting tonberry hate.

Going to Tavnazian Safehold was a great first-time experienece, but once we unlocked Sea access, we would use the Craigs to get to Sea, and sometimes the airship dock in Tavnazia. Again, it was a pretty empty place - no one really ever went there outside of it being a connector to other areas. OR using the outpost to get to where you needed to be.

Most people did exactly what they do in FFXIV - they gathered in a major city. Windurst, Bastok, San d'Oria, and Jeuno saw the highest amount of people and general foot traffic. FFXI also required us to go to areas to camp, wheras FFXIV requires you to never even leave your room once everything's unlocked outside of doing turn ins/buying gear and entering savage.

Simply put, the areas would be nice for a first time exploration, but the world would need to be MUCH bigger to actually accomodate this. Corridor XIV doesn't work well for it.

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This guy pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Look at Wildstar for example. It tried to bring back the "Old School MMO" gameplay, exploration, & etc. And it bombed hard.
I have never seen a game go F2P so fast.

Come to think of it....Elder Scrolls Online was the same.
Even now they are adding/changing features to make progression & travel faster.

A lot of this has to do with just how the world has changed. People don't always have time to dedicate an entire day to gaming, and MMOS were dying out before WOW revolutionized the industry by well...taking multiple aspects from Offline games, which is why Theme park MMO style became the preferences style, along with mechanics on boss fights.
Even in FFXI bosses were mostly Tank & Spank HP sponges, juse glorifled trash mobs with unique models.
The "mechanics" were very limited.

And as you can tell even WOW changed because the cost of developing content that less than 5% of the playerbase participates in is very hard to explain to budget analysts (sp?).
Look at Savage content now. AND honestly even now EX Primals and Raids STILL are not at the participation rate they want them at.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

-For RPers-

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So you want an entire zone designed just for RPers? The entire game is already designed for you if actually leave your housing wards & go utilize it.

At first I thought RP on Balmung would be awesome considering the world has so many great places to go & RP, but then all I saw was either random lvl 1 people ERPing in Ul'dah or the actual RPers hiding in their housing wards so they don't get disturbed. I'd visited so many places in the world so many times hoping to see people engaging with the world in an RP sense only to find it empty -_-
That's when I realized what I do must not be considered RP in xiv cause I actually like to travel the world & use the environment.

How would adding an entire zone dedicated pretty much to RP do anything other then have yet another zone that RPers don't really use?
If anything I still think RPers need to get back to demanding your dedicated RP stamped server so then you can feel more comfortable going out & utilizing the world SE already designed to be very RP friendly.

The wonder of FFXI was in a golden time. There were few ways for people to figure stuff out besides extensive research and actually trying it themselves and/or asking friends.

Now, 20minutes after your dream zone comes out... Reddit would blow up with every possible secret as it develops, let's play videos would appear on youtube of all the "secrets" as they are found and I'm sure people would write giant articles on the forums on how to get 100% completion for every secret on the zone.

Sure, you wouldn't want to engage in any of that, it would ruin your fun, so you don't. You take the zone at your leisure, uncovering secrets as you go, just to have people randomly troll you since they know how everything works.... "Oh there is some rare spawn, omg! Let's catch it! It just randomly appeared, who else could know about it?! Run!" But yoink! Someone got it the second it appeared, apparently its on a 12hr spawn timer and they were waiting for it and standing just above it for ideal tagging so they got it before you. :/ People would create web apps and people would fill out spreadsheets with all the timers and etc and secrets....blargh.... it would be unpleasant cause I'd be there with you, wanting to have a real adventure. I thought FFXI was fun. But sadly we are no longer in that more innocent time.

Besides even just that, people would complain about how difficult it is. Back in the past that wouldn't happen either, most everyone that played thought they were doing really well. The lack of information was good enough to make us think we weren't horrible at the game. Now we all know what zones we can't tackle and what bosses we should be able to defeat but can't.... So this forum would just be full of requests for nerfs. Nowadays, MMOS are super accessible and are considered to be able to be picked up by anyone. FFXI (and I guess 1.0 of this game too?) you had to be more of a enthusiast.... The time requirements of that game alone made them put a warning in the game to tell you when you had been on too long.

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/...icle_image.jpg
We don't have this anymore... So I'm sorry, they'd have to add this warning again if they went through with this idea. :x And that makes me sad. Cause I'd totally play your zone.

just a reminder for all the people against teleportation, teleportation only work in Eorzea.... means when we will leave for the other continent.... no more teleportation.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

(they would even put in special RP quests).

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Aren't all quests RP quests if you get into it?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

just a reminder for all the people against teleportation, teleportation only work in Eorzea.... means when we will leave for the other continent.... no more teleportation.

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And how do you know it's ONLY in Eorzea? Other countries could have a "not aetheryte"

was explained in the lore, it only work in Erozea because of the aetheryte current... the only civilization that was able to work a teleportation devise are allagan and such. i doubt the empire did make one, or they will not use massive ship for send them troops simply 'port them in eorzea.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

was explained in the lore, it only work in Erozea because of the aetheryte current... the only civilization that was able to work a teleportation devise are allagan and such. i doubt the empire did make one, or they will not use massive ship for send them troops simply 'port them in eorzea.

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If fat chocobos and turtles can fly, I'm sure the dev team will handwave a way to teleport in the other areas or at least have a form of fast travelling. The other issue is Return is used a core game mechanic when you lose all your HP and return to your home point via teleporting. How is that going to work in areas that don't have aetherytes? How is it going to work without a current?

I'd be down for this kind of area.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

just a reminder for all the people against teleportation, teleportation only work in Eorzea.... means when we will leave for the other continent.... no more teleportation.

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They'll come up with some justification as to why we can teleport outside of Eorzea, I'm certain. A lot of their design decisions are, unfortunately, based around convenience.

I'm really amazed at some of the criticism.

1. I'm not asking for the entire game to turn into this. Just one zone (or series of zones). FFXIV 1.0 had this "exploration factor" in it. And FFXI had this "exploration factor." Adding a single area is not going to kill the game.

2. It's supposed to turn into a ghost town. It's supposed to be a side zone people experience once or twice and then go to for fun, to get away from the repetitive and cyclic grind of the game. However, unlike dungeons, diadem, etc, etc, you don't need to queue up to experience it. So people can do it at any time. And mobs aren't supposed to be unkillable solo. Just challenging.

3. It's meant to make the game feel like a game. Why is there so much opposition to having a legitimate open world in modern games? This is an RPG, not halo. Everything doesn't have to be an instance.

4. It's supposed to be an experience. I don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this with modern gaming. It's meant to leave a memorable imprint on people, like getting wiped by the kraken on the selbina mhaura ship in ffxi, reaching sky for the first time, reaching tavnazia for the first time, etc.

Essentially: This game is a chain link of instances. 2.0 is just a bunch of small zones that can be traversed in minutes. 3.0's story is amazing, and provides the exploration feeling, but then becomes small once you unlock flying. This idea is suggesting an OPTIONAL side area that always feels big, always feels epic, and creates that exploration feel in a permanent way. Just so people can experience that old feeling from classic MMOs like everquest, ffxi, and even ffxiv 1.0 (which for all it's flaws, had an intricate open world)

Even if you don't go to the zone, knowing it is there enhances the world. You know that part of FFXIV is this dangerous mysterious area that requires a time investment to get to. It makes the world feel bigger than it is. And that feeling alone would enhance the game.

This game is in dire need of open world group content and something like this. I support it. This is the only game I've played with almost 0 open world battle content. I don't really count beastman dailies...those are zzz. and faceroll mobs everywhere is extremely boring.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I'm really amazed at some of the criticism.

1. I'm not asking for the entire game to turn into this. Just one zone (or series of zones). FFXIV 1.0 had this "exploration factor" in it. And FFXI had this "exploration factor." Adding a single area is not going to kill the game.

2. It's supposed to turn into a ghost town. It's supposed to be a side zone people experience once or twice and then go to for fun, to get away from the repetitive and cyclic grind of the game. However, unlike dungeons, diadem, etc, etc, you don't need to queue up to experience it. So people can do it at any time. And mobs aren't supposed to be unkillable solo. Just challenging.

3. It's meant to make the game feel like a game. Why is there so much opposition to having a legitimate open world in modern games? This is an RPG, not halo. Everything doesn't have to be an instance.

4. It's supposed to be an experience. I don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this with modern gaming. It's meant to leave a memorable imprint on people, like getting wiped by the kraken on the selbina mhaura ship in ffxi, reaching sky for the first time, reaching tavnazia for the first time, etc.

Essentially: This game is a chain link of instances. 2.0 is just a bunch of small zones that can be traversed in minutes. 3.0's story is amazing, and provides the exploration feeling, but then becomes small once you unlock flying. This idea is suggesting an OPTIONAL side area that always feels big, always feels epic, and creates that exploration feel in a permanent way. Just so people can experience that old feeling from classic MMOs like everquest, ffxi, and even ffxiv 1.0 (which for all it's flaws, had an intricate open world)

Even if you don't go to the zone, knowing it is there enhances the world. You know that part of FFXIV is this dangerous mysterious area that requires a time investment to get to. It makes the world feel bigger than it is. And that feeling alone would enhance the game.

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1. Ghost town zones are bad for the game. Hence nobody designs it. It's not worth the resources if its not going to be used.
2. A side thing has to have rewards and traction towards it. If rewards are too great it's no longer a side thing. If rewards are too minor too little % would do the zone to even justify its existence.
3. Legitimate open world MMOs still make you fast travel trough it. Look at ESO introducing more fast travel methods. Look at WoW and the outrage it gets when you suddenly can't fly. Hence even open world RPGs like Skyrim you can fast travel from town to town and then to any landmark that you unlocked, and there's landmarks everywhere. FFXI was super inconvenient travel wise. Nobody in the 2010s onwards would play a game that makes you put up with it.

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Originally Posted by mirta000

1. Ghost town zones are bad for the game. Hence nobody designs it. It's not worth the resources if its not going to be used.
2. A side thing has to have rewards and traction towards it. If rewards are too great it's no longer a side thing. If rewards are too minor too little % would do the zone to even justify its existence.
3. Legitimate open world MMOs still make you fast travel trough it. Look at ESO introducing more fast travel methods. Look at WoW and the outrage it gets when you suddenly can't fly. Hence even open world RPGs like Skyrim you can fast travel from town to town and then to any landmark that you unlocked, and there's landmarks everywhere. FFXI was super inconvenient travel wise. Nobody in the 2010s onwards would play a game that makes you put up with it.

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Again: not asking for a game that "makes you put up with it"
Asking for one area thats COMPLETELY OPTIONAL

Again: this is about making the game fun. Why are rewards necessary for that? Why can't the reward just be the exploration and the story?

Again: A large area that doesn't have 100 ppl spamming content isn't bad. What you call a ghost town I call every zone in ffxi. FFXIV is supposed to be this massive open world. When every zone has hordes of ppl in it, or when you can cross the entire zone in 1minute on a mount, that feeling disappears.

Lots of people who play this game loved the old "openworld" concept. Why is some extra optional content so bad? Especially since it will clearly be more popular than stuff like diadem (which has so many barriers) or pvp/vermillion where you can't really play due to no one else playing.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

Again: not asking for a game that "makes you put up with it"
Asking for one area thats COMPLETELY OPTIONAL

Again: this is about making the game fun. Why are rewards necessary for that? Why can't the reward just be the exploration and the story?

Again: A large area that doesn't have 100 ppl spamming content isn't bad. What you call a ghost town I call every zone in ffxi. FFXIV is supposed to be this massive open world. When every zone has hordes of ppl in it, or when you can cross the entire zone in 1minute on a mount, that feeling disappears.

Lots of people who play this game loved the old "openworld" concept. Why is some extra optional content so bad? Especially since it will clearly be more popular than stuff like diadem (which has so many barriers) or pvp/vermillion where you can't really play due to no one else playing.

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Its a matter of why would the devs design an area no one uses? And zones are empty in XI cuz barely anyone plays it lol

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Its a matter of why would the devs design an area no one uses?

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I would use it, and the OP, and thats 2, completely ruining your terrible argument.

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An old-school "memorial" area, that uses old MMORPG conventions for those of us who miss some stuff like real exploration, being killed by aggresive enemies on the field, some unfairly positioned boss that requires you to call in for help, some nice good time travel on airships, regular ships, etc, with chances of events happening like mass invasions, rare monsters, etc. The adventure/danger feeling would be just amazing. And i think, there is no shortage of public for such an area in this game.

I would love this, Nashmau in XI was the most like this, a pain in the back side to get to, not much there, yet everyone had to venture there sometime, it was meant to be like an outpost and it was fun, hoping sneak inis didn't drop around Flea's which where tiny unnamed until they attacked, I loved that.

Think there was 2 routes to Nashmau, the hard route and the ship. if you missed the boat and needed to get there in a hurry, guess which route you had to take lol.

However, like the Shantoto quest line in XIV and other events likewise, why couldn't there be a style (totally optional) where we are sucked into an XI zone or something similar, maybe by teleportation being modified by shantoto where a telecrystal shard from the likes of DEM HOLLA MEA shattered tele crystals at the crag is infused with an Aetheryte crystal which no longer works (thinking the one in the foundation zone thats laying on its side), we use it and wham we're not in Kansas anymore.

The game can do a series of quests that doesn't need to follow lore XIV, smn's can now have propper summons that they obtain from this Alternate world etc.

I'm using XI as an example here, due to the fact its events have cropped up many a time last one being The Maiden's Rhapsody meaning there must be a rip in the space time universe and on Haedlyn for this to keep happening, so it is keeping within XIV Lore but also setting a new path

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Originally Posted by SaitoHikari

All of this honestly sounds like a Diadem overhaul, just in a different environment. Sounds nice on paper, but it has to be implemented very well. Diadem did sound amazing on paper too.

Or, to put it more bluntly, this is rather unrealistic, both in terms of dev time and community longevity.

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Aka idea is great but devs aren't great at implementing unique ideas

Yes please! I'd totally be down for this.

Can't hit like enough!!!!

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

Again: this is about making the game fun. Why are rewards necessary for that? Why can't the reward just be the exploration and the story?
Again: A large area that doesn't have 100 ppl spamming content isn't bad. What you call a ghost town I call every zone in ffxi. FFXIV is supposed to be this massive open world. When every zone has hordes of ppl in it, or when you can cross the entire zone in 1minute on a mount, that feeling disappears.
Lots of people who play this game loved the old "openworld" concept. Why is some extra optional content so bad? Especially since it will clearly be more popular than stuff like diadem (which has so many barriers) or pvp/vermillion where you can't really play due to no one else playing.

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how would something without rewards be more popular? Have you any idea the sheer amount of guilds every day going to diadem for either alt gear, fishing, materia, gathering? Ours uses the ship to sail daily. How can you prove that your idea would beat the popularity of diadem?
As to "it doesn't have to be popular". Yes it does. Or its wasted development time. If they implement something that only less than 1% uses the community will ask a question of "why not a 3rd dungeon?", "why not a better solution for housing?", "why not more glamours and gearsets?". Development time is precious.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

An old-school "memorial" area, that uses old MMORPG conventions for those of us who miss some stuff like real exploration, being killed by aggresive enemies on the field, some unfairly positioned boss that requires you to call in for help, some nice good time travel on airships, regular ships, etc, with chances of events happening like mass invasions, rare monsters, etc. The adventure/danger feeling would be just amazing. And i think, there is no shortage of public for such an area in this game.

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but why were you originally going to dangerous places like this? Didn't those have quests, rewards? How do you exactly make an area optional without providing rewards, yet make sure that a good enough percentage of population uses it to make it not waste resource time?

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Originally Posted by Bracken

yet everyone had to venture there sometime

The game can do a series of quests that doesn't need to follow lore XIV, smn's can now have propper summons that they obtain from this Alternate world etc.

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if summoners could summon creatures from this other world, wouldn't this immediately force all summoners to do it, they wish for it or not?

So... the Diadem, essentially? While I wouldn't mind the concept for the precise reasons you described, it will be a ghost region within a couple weeks. FFXIV is designed as a very casual paced game. Most won't like having an area where they can get killed by trash at the drop of a hat. Even the raid tier players will likely just find it more tedious than adventurous. Simply put, this sort of worked for FFXI, but it won't in FFXIV.

Why does everything and everywhere need rewards? If people don't want to go to said place then they don't have to go, it's as simple as that. Getting to the place should be the reward.

If you haven't figured it out by now, this is a reward driven game. Most people aren't going to waste their time on something that isn't going to give something back in return.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

If you haven't figured it out by now, this is a reward driven game. Most people aren't going to waste their time on something that isn't going to give something back in return.

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Then don't do it? Not everything has to be for everyone. There can and should be things in games that aren't always reward heavy.

Put things like mapping achievements, treasure chests, nms if there must be rewards

not going to happen hard content is only created in a controlled enviroment (dungeons ) why? because if its hard for lets say light party , u will have 3000 players doing the content because is FASTER and easy , see hunts , hunts could have been like treasure maps , go to that place and "hunt" , look for clues and then mob pops and u have to hunt it down....what we actually see? zerg to death...

the ideas on paper could sound awesome ( see diadem and lots of good ideas SE have implemented that failed because u can control how players will do you content, outside limiting the number of players)

However i would love to see something like Campaing in FFXI (zones being attack , or attacking a enemy fortress )

i expected Dragons attacking the main city :/ and we defending it ....like Besiege in FFXI , that would be fun too! and u can toss 1000 players and still be balanced....

Was semi on board until you started wanting all sorts of stuff for RP
lol RP

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Then don't do it? Not everything has to be for everyone. There can and should be things in games that aren't always reward heavy.

Put things like mapping achievements, treasure chests, nms if there must be rewards

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Yeah, until too many people don't do it, then those shiny new hardcore areas are a waste of space. Look how much the devs had to keep adding incentives in the old areas and duties just to give people a reason to keep running them.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Then don't do it? Not everything has to be for everyone.

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That's an enormous amount of development time and resources for content that almost no one will do. Even hardcore explorers would probably only bother with it a handful of times. I used to spend hours checking every little nook and cranny in FFXI and WoW looking for little hidden gems. If SE added the OP's suggestion as he has it written I'd probably not bother with doing it at all. It sounds a lot more like an exercise in tedium than a fun afternoon of exploration.

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There can and should be things in games that aren't always reward heavy.

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Yes, but not on the scale the OP is talking about and especially not with that level of tedium. The rewards are why people put up with tedious tasks. If you take away the rewards and all you're left with is an extreme exercise of your patience, you'll just keep people from doing the content.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

That's an enormous amount of development time and resources for content that almost no one will do. Even hardcore explorers would probably only bother with it a handful of times. I used to spend hours checking every little nook and cranny in FFXI and WoW looking for little hidden gems. If SE added the OP's suggestion as he has it written I'd probably not bother with doing it at all. It sounds a lot more like an exercise in tedium than a fun afternoon of exploration.

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It doesn't have to be exactly what is being suggested this is just one persons idea. But there should be areas that require effort to explore and have different mechanics in them that isn't an instance dungeon

Now let's say they do add this.
It takes a full group to explore or each mob takes say 5 to 10 mins to solo (like some FATE bosses).
The zone has all these mechanics that hinder you.
But it offers no rewards. So why are you there?
What are you searching for?
Just exploring to explore?

Now due to travel time to and within the zone and difficulty you've spent 3 hrs (due to monster battle/avoiding battle, zone elements that force detours, & etc) and now you've made it to about 5% of the map. Now what? Do you press on and log in field or turn around so you can log off for work/school/etc?

You've gotten no loot, no seals, no tomes.
Now once you return to the regular game...a week passes...
Do you even consider coming back to that zone?

Remember...FFXI forced players into zones because there was something there. From coffers for AF, dungeons to grind in, or in most cases...to pass through.

Honestly I am fine with everyone getting content they enjoy. I enjoy exploring, but I enjoy being solo. I'd love to explore a zone like this. But I do not want to fight stuff for 5+ minutes.

And The Sea Horror, Pirates, etc were NOT fun.
Making that tedious trip just to be killed over a random spawn of it was not cool!
That thing DID go below deck if 1 person slipped up and moved. It'd "hear" them then.. .x_x

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

Why would that happen for meaningless optional content?

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This was a few pages back, but I just want to point out that just the fact that you call it 'meaningless optional content' is reason enough for this to never, ever happen.

They won't (and shouldn't) waste time and resources on meaningless content just to please some roleplayers. This game doesn't even have "official" roleplay servers, just what the players deemed as such.

(Just so you know, I have nothing against RP and I like it myself, just stating the facts.)

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

This was a few pages back, but I just want to point out that just the fact that you call it 'meaningless optional content' is reason enough for this to never, ever happen.

They won't (and shouldn't) waste time and resources on meaningless content just to please some roleplayers. This game doesn't even have "official" roleplay servers, just what the players deemed as such.

(Just so you know, I have nothing against RP and I like it myself, just stating the facts.)

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I don't FP at all but it would be nice to have areas in the open world that require more than running away or mashing 1. I said a few posts back even if it doesn't have rewards that was a bit harsh but it should open up new ways of doing things.

A new map should be added that requires pieces to be put together so it takes sometime to get the whole thing and could only be used in that area.

Weekly bosses that are from tokens or tomes that you gather and could summon

A town that can be overrun by mobs kinda like those fates where if it is left untouched you can't go in unless you take it back.

Honestly to me it beats sitting in the tome camp either not doing anything or just queuing up for dungeons cause your bored.

Just to be clear I'm not arguing the zone should be tedious. Just that it should require more than the same attack or attack combo over and over again. Like as a sch, I shouldn't be able to just spam Broil. I should need to heal and buff myself sometimes, have my fairy out, etc. And If 2 other mobs end up linking, I should legitimately be in danger (kind of like what happens in some level synced fates).

Again it's not supposed to be a roadblock. Just provide the impression that there is actual danger in the world that -can- potentially kill you.

And it's not supposed to take 3 hours to get there. 15 min ship ride, and maybe 10 - 20 minutes to get through the zone if you dodge mobs (kind of like dodging guys in the gold saucer gate). With the -occasional- sound mob that aggros if you just run by.

MMORPGs have RPG in them. And RPGs are not all faceroll adventures where a single attack wins every fight. It doesnt have to be dark souls hard. But it can be made to feel like an actual final fantasy. Because right now, this open world feels like you hacked a ff game and gave yourself max attack and defense (e.g. nothing can really kill you unless you stand there doing nothing, and even then, it can take a long time to die)

/sign
this sounds fun

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

And watch it become a ghost town a month after the expansion is out.

I can't support this. If it lacks the convienence everyone is used to, then people simply won't get there unless they absolutely have to.

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Exactly this. They would have to put a lot of work in it for only a fistful of people who could actually be assed to go there.

I have various reasons for not wanting to get on board with this. Much of it boils down to time, convenience and longevity. I'm fairly certain based off of XI, that eventually the nostalgia and fun would wear off and we'd all be left begging for a system to make it more convenient to travel. Which is EXACTLY what XI now has in place. I've argued this point in other similar threads, but thats basically the jist of it.

I like parts of the idea and not parts of it. Personally, I think that a 10 minute boat ride is overkill - maybe a 1 time thing for story, but not a usual occurrence.

I'd say if we are keeping the aetheryte system as it is, we should have a crystal in the zone. I'd have a town/outpost that gives out daily quests, and maybe more daily quest givers scattered throughout.

I'd really like an end-game, daily quest focused zone - similar to WoW's current Tanaan Jungle, or Wildstar's Crimson Badlands (I think it has a few newer ones too). I envision there also being boss-fates that give more significant end-game rewards than the current fate system.

This just sounds like FFXI, We are moving forward not backwards XD