Can we do something with Cleric Stance?

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

Incorrect, there are accuracy caps outside of the content you mention. It has been discussed quite a bit both here & elsewhere that the lack of acc on healer gear is becoming a detriment, even in relatively "low" level dungeons like Neverreap.

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I did say "unless they changed it".

I wonder what the new cap is for regular dungeons, and if they will continue to increase it passively to force healer stop dps because it wouldn't matter.

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Originally Posted by technole

It really isn't apples and oranges, nor is it a very logical explanation about healer DPS when Astro and Scholar each have DPS skills that are 100% hit rate and do not have accuracy requirements.

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this is because those skills don't have initial damage and thus aren't affected by accuracy and evasion. Yeah it looks like an oversight. But realistically, if the accuracy cap was at a point that healers would miss 99% of their spells, the dps gained from SCH and AST guaranteed spells would be meaningless

Please please please for the love of god I hope they add an accuracy bonus to Cleric's Stance. It's frustrating doing lvl 50 dungeons and missing spells because there's no accuracy on the 3.0+ healer gear anymore as well.

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Originally Posted by technole

It really isn't apples and oranges, nor is it a very logical explanation about healer DPS when Astro and Scholar each have DPS skills that are 100% hit rate and do not have accuracy requirements.

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They have skills that have 100% hit rate because of the design of the system. It's a side-effect, not intended. Those particular skills aren't technically "skills" because they don't do damage directly. They are status effects. It just so happens the status that is applied deals damage over time, but the ability itself is treated as a debuff more than a damage skill. That's why the ACC system ignores it on the server-side. It sees a debuff being cast, not a damage skill.

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Originally Posted by Velox

They have skills that have 100% hit rate because of the design of the system. It's a side-effect, not intended.

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Not intended, since when did you know the developers intentions and why have they allowed this to last for over 2 years? See they can easily drop the accuracy of the dot. Just like Aero 2 and Miasma isn't a guaranteed hit and are subject to accuracy requirements.

Cleric Stance is fine where it is.

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Originally Posted by technole

Not intended, since when did you know the developers intentions and why have they allowed this to last for over 2 years? See they can easily drop the accuracy of the dot. Just like Aero 2 and Miasma isn't a guaranteed hit and are subject to accuracy requirements.

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Reading comprehension is definitely a skill that shouldn't ignore accuracy :P

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Originally Posted by Velox

Reading comprehension is definitely a skill that shouldn't ignore accuracy :P

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First, you say healers aren't designed to DPS, then the perfect accuracy skills get brought up. Oh, it's an oversight because of how the system is designed. Never mind they could have adjusted the system anytime they want to make no initial DoT potency, not 100% accurate. The Astro job could have been designed with only aspected damage like White Mage Aero skills that can miss, instead of two new unaspected damage skills. It's not an oversight. You can come up with theories all you want, but the fact remains there are damage skills that are 100% accurate.

Either way I already explained my rationale way earlier in the thread about healer accuracy in-detail.

I guessing you can do some fixes to accuracy now that you can meld materia into Raid gear.:)

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Originally Posted by Pence

I'm pretty sure they said they're doing something in regards to healer accuracy...


Hmmm. I'll try and find it.

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They said they would if it looked again like the need was there. ...but that was before announcing raid/tome gear will be meldable and I'm betting they'll excuse themselves out of adding it "because those interested can meld it now".

Healers are kinda getting that Mad Max: Fury Road treatment, right? But they're getting milked for healing instead of, uh, milk. (That was such a weird movie.)

http://i.imgur.com/nrQtxHV.png

Not pictured is the 4 misses I got after that.

Thanks.

Your Hall of the Novice even says you should DPS when you have a moment and people aren't dying.

Forgot to add the little tidbit: "... if you can land your attacks."

Yah, I noticed I'm missing a LOT more in the new dungeons then the previous dungeons. Seems like a waste of time and MP at this point.

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Originally Posted by Niroken

Yah, I noticed I'm missing a LOT more in the new dungeons then the previous dungeons. Seems like a waste of time and MP at this point.

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Higher content. Accuracy requirements are higher while our's remain the same.

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Originally Posted by Ranulf

Higher content. Accuracy requirements are higher while our's remain the same.

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But... it's still faceroll content... q.q

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Originally Posted by Niroken

But... it's still faceroll content... q.q

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Our points exactly, lol.

Only having like, 300 some accuracy, we're lucky to even nuke a brick wall.

The fact that cleric stance doesn't give an accuracy bonus by now is honestly kind of disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Ranulf

Your Hall of the Novice even says you should DPS when you have a moment and people aren't dying.

Forgot to add the little tidbit: "... if you can land your attacks."

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Hall of the novice says that?

Awesome. That's good ammo for later. >.>

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

The fact that cleric stance doesn't give an accuracy bonus by now is honestly kind of disgusting.



Hall of the novice says that?

Awesome. That's good ammo for later. >.>

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http://i.imgur.com/MmkGKvR.png

In a different way of saying it, but still.

Shouldn't encourage novices to DPS as a healer if they're unable to land their attacks.

This is SE's way of nerfing healers because they are so afraid to touch ARC. (Despite ARC needs nerfing anyhow due to SMN's main dmging kits, and the smn pet system revamped to actually make smn a smn.)

Now I'm stuck with "Should I build Crit/Determ or go accuracy". Seeing as how hard the new content is, the former seems obvious but forced. The tanks will have so much hp for us to heal thanks to this vit change. It may seem silly not to add determination at all.


We need a mechanic other than bard to reduce evai.

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Originally Posted by Ranulf

http://i.imgur.com/MmkGKvR.png

In a different way of saying it, but still.

Shouldn't encourage novices to DPS as a healer if they're unable to land their attacks.

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It's funny too because some of the fights in the new EX dungeons are definitely tuned with healer DPS in mind too.

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Originally Posted by Ranulf

http://i.imgur.com/MmkGKvR.png

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Now that is great. Nice picture to use for the everlasting "HEAL MUST HEAL AND ONLY HEAL AND MUST BENEDICTION ME IF I'M AT 95%" thread that pop from time to time.

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

This is SE's way of nerfing healers because they are so afraid to touch ARC. (Despite ARC needs nerfing anyhow due to SMN's main dmging kits, and the smn pet system revamped to actually make smn a smn.)

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Hold on, this relation I don't get at all. What does every healer's DPS being nerfed through accuracy have to do with not touching ARC, considering SCH has the highest unmissable potency and an AoE mechanic that ignores missing as well?

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Originally Posted by AzureFlare

Hold on, this relation I don't get at all. What does every healer's DPS being nerfed through accuracy have to do with not touching ARC, considering SCH has the highest unmissable potency and an AoE mechanic that ignores missing as well?

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If only bio, B2 and shadow flare would be enough to dps down at a relative speed. It doesn't change the fact that it doesn't help if Miasma, Broil and Ruin miss. (Miasma 2 is gabarge over all in potency, I'd only use it for a quickie aoe IE:Shadow Flare + Miasmia 2 + Blizzard 2). I'm not gonna bane if one of my dots are missing, even then if we have time to dps there is the matter of broil and Blizzard 2 missing. It's sad really.

As for the point of healer dps being nerfed, the only class that needs to be nerfed on damage is SCH. At-least in my opinion. WHM and AST get penalized on the mp pool when they focus on dpsing, especially if they aoe. SCH can recover from the shortage easily. Even if energy drains misses, the mp restore effect still happens. If it wasn't for the 3.0 expansion. Comparing SMN to SCH is just a matter of using Fester since the egi's damage are sub-optimal.

I see your angle now. Yeah, SCH vs SMN was merely SMN Fester and Raging Strikes vs SCH Aero, disregarding the egis. While I don't see SCH DPS needing to be nerfed, I do share that the ease at which they can do it and especially AoE is a pretty big insult towards AST and WHM, mostly WHM with the increasing accuracy demands.

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Originally Posted by AzureFlare

I see your angle now. Yeah, SCH vs SMN was merely SMN Fester and Raging Strikes vs SCH Aero, disregarding the egis. While I don't see SCH DPS needing to be nerfed, I do share that the ease at which they can do it and especially AoE is a pretty big insult towards AST and WHM, mostly WHM with the increasing accuracy demands.

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Even for single targeting it's an insult to any healer. I'm getting a sense that SE is pushing WHM to be dominant in aoe damage while SCH will stay stronger single target wise. Would make sense to me, since having a healer that could do it all is kind of bs.