Gender Locked Gear

I don't think anyone deserves anything from SE. They can do w/e they want. If it wasn't for them Might not even be playing an MMO right now.

I don't understand entitlement to someone's product. They make what they want. You either support it with cash or you don't. I can't tell you how many times I've wrote fictional stories to have plot requests. If you don't like the current plot, write your own or find a new story to read.

Just wanted to throw in my vote:

I like racial and gender differences in the clothing. And the job gear too, for what its worth. It makes our characters unique.

I don't like the fact that it's pretty one-sided in favor of females right now. I wish the males got more exclusive options too. A comparable amount.

The hat thing is stupid. It's one color on one tiny part. It looks almost identical to some other hats that are genderless. The ribbon can be /visor'd away. This is not the hill to die on.

Did it ever occur to people that it's gendered because it's a couples event? It kinda makes sense in a way.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

We've reached a point in society that now everything can be discriminaory; it's too chaotic sometimes. I like to play fantasy games so I can escape reality, so please, don't try to change it :/

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You said it all, specially with that line, this is a fantasy world with a story, a background, a lore and setting behind it, it has rules, it's not a sandbox game that you can do whatever you want to do, you got real life for that and other games. Let this be the Final Fantasy it's meant to be.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

why the F are LGBT complain when straights aren't?

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I don't care for much for the OPs topic but this has to be the worst argument ever.

you're essentially saying you can't complain about something unless others are.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

this is why people say LGBT people have no tolerance but themselves.

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One person complains. The entire community is complaining according to you. Also way to judge a group of people on one person. Real mature.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

On a holliday i once did to indonesia we all had to wear a sarong when visiting some temples, including the males. A sarong is a piece of cloth you wrap around you and looks mostly like a skirt.

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*sigh*

iIf you want to prove that males can wear 'skirts', it's easier than that. Kilts. They're nothing more than pleated woolen knee length skirts worn by men.

See...
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d0f7066ddb.jpg
(I would suggest not questioning their masculinity because they wear a 'skirt'....)

Swing those pleats boys, and let's not forget the traditional way to wear a kilt....



The thing is, variety is the spice of life. Uniformity is anti-variety. If everyone were able to wear everything, we would lose some of the variation of look within the game. There need to be looks that are only female, or only male. That said there are things I would like to use on Kosmos that are Hyur specific, but I deal with it. More important to me would be dyeable RSE.

That said, long before gender locking or racial locking of garments is removed, I'd like to see class/job restrictions on gear removed - and dyeable RSE...

i am curious as to all the people "requesting" this thread be locked (as if that will stop people from complaining. they are essentially asking a moderator to close this thread to stop people from expression there opinions.

Well I can agree with it being rediculous that a hat has to be gender locked, but by now I'm kinda used to bad, how shoud I call it... cusomer service when it comes to pretty much everything anyways.
I would lie if I said I never pressed the "Try on" button on a dress before and was a little disappointed when it didn't work, even though I wouldn't actually stuff my characters into dresses permanently so it doesn't actually affect me. But I really want the bunny ears so I can understand you.
I'm just prepared to be disappointed by now and in that way I'll be really happy if something actually pleases me.
This sounds a lot more negative than I had planned.

Aaah I kinda regrett posting a comment. What the f*ck am I doing. There is no good discussion to be had here anyway.

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Originally Posted by raymon

i am curious as to all the people "requesting" this thread be locked (as if that will stop people from complaining. they are essentially asking a moderator to close this thread to stop people from expression there opinions.

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I just find it amusing that you just know some that are complaining in this thread are also some of the people who make noise about getting the male vanu dance and vice versa.

This has literally nothing to do with the countless other times myself and others have asked for equal glamouring and such.

Usually we ask for things when we don't have it and they don't seem like "gendered items anyway, (Bunny Ears) or if its skewed to one gender (Females having more pieces available in Gold Saucer)
But with these Hat's...there are two hats, both locked to a single gender, this is entirely fair, and it's not the first time feathers/hair ornament have been changed between gender (some of the circlets have different feather/gem arrangements between genders)

People are only asking for this topic to be locked due to the toxicity it caused when issues that have NO relevancy to the topic are brought up, in several posts the word "LGBT" was bought up (even in the OP of all things >.>) for no apparent reason, it wasn't even a question of these things until people pulled it into the topic.

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Originally Posted by Pomelo

People are only asking for this topic to be locked due to the toxicity it caused when issues that have NO relevancy to the topic are brought up, in several posts the word "LGBT" was bought up (even in the OP of all things >.>) for no apparent reason, it wasn't even a question of these things until people pulled it into the topic.

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This.

I understand why having less glam for guy characters is frustrating. I think there should be some things locked to each sex, but that there be a comparable amount for both sexes. I def think skewing it to where girls have more options is lame.

But what does that have to do with being LGBT or whatever? I'm sure both straight people and LGBT people find this annoying. Why bring this up at all?

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

Did it ever occur to people that it's gendered because it's a couples event? It kinda makes sense in a way.

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Did it occur to you that same gendered couples exist? And that the game allows you to do the event as such.

EDIT: That looks a lot harsher than I intended, but point still stands. Gender locking for couples reasons when same gender couples are allowed is silly design.

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

Did it occur to you that same gendered couples exist? And that the game allows you to do the event as such.

EDIT: That looks a lot harsher than I intended, but point still stands. Gender locking for couples reasons when same gender couples are allowed is silly design.

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Same sex couples can wear the same hat then. lol

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Same sex couples can wear the same hat then. lol

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What if they prefer to wear the other one tho?

Heaven forbid a guy/girl wears whatever they want in a video game.

I am also annoyed by the fact that female characters get way more glamour options than male characters. However, with all the feminine gear I wore leveling to 60, especially on mage jobs, I'm frankly tired of wearing dresses and skirts. Female characters can keep their gear. Just give me more masculine glamours for my Hyur!

This thread..

https://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/05...3e25780-wm.jpg

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Gender locking a hat that males also get, just with an alternate accessory color, is going too far?

I'm sorry, I need a moment.

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Yes, because it proves SE is just gender-locking things at random.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

This thread..

https://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/05...3e25780-wm.jpg

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I bet that's what unicorn poop looks like.

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Originally Posted by Blackbird1

I kinda agree on one point to this have you ever seen a female lalafell wearing the thavnairian set?! or even the swimsuit sets they utterly murder them if your gonna let the lalas have swimsuits have them changed to something fitting of those anklebiters! as for the thavnairian set No! Just no stop letting them wear it.

But at the same time they do need to unlock some stuff like south seas talisman top wears the top with tattoo for females? it can't be that hard to add in a bikini top can it? they do it for other outfits of the swimsuit type the closest thing females get to a tattoo shirt is the ninja and monk tops at lvl 50 the arachne stuff but that's unisex so even males can wear it but it's only for them no other jobs/classes but the males get two tattoo tops?

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I don't know if you're being serious or not lol...

I could be just as stupid and say, I personally don't believe that Hyur females should be allowed to wear tattoos.

Some make perfect sense at least.

Like the South Seas Talisman, girls can't wear that without pushing up the ESRB rating.

All SE has to do is add a black bra, like they do with all the open-front tops they give female characters access to.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

All SE has to do is add a black bra, like they do with all the open-front tops they give female characters access to.

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Im sure they'll get around to that after the give males the bunny ears...i mean they've only been waiting almost a year...>.>

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Some make perfect sense at least.

Like the South Seas Talisman, girls can't wear that without pushing up the ESRB rating.

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Well, not necessarily...it could come with a well placed Lei, presumably attached with some form of magical body adhesive to protect modesty.

;)

Besides, online interactions are not rated by the ESRB....

Now you see it.
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Now you don't.
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Originally Posted by Tilgung

extraordinarily defensive.

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

You're the one looking for something that isn't there

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The irony :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Andrea

Im sure they'll get around to that after the give males the bunny ears...i mean they've only been waiting almost a year...>.>

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men are likely never getting bunny ears.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

men are likely never getting bunny ears.

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But so many Roe men would look so good Q.Q

I know... It's a terrible shame. :/ Bunny boys = love

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Well, not necessarily...it could come with a well placed Lei, presumably attached with some form of magical body adhesive to protect modesty.

;)

Besides, online interactions are not rated by the ESRB....

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I feel like that wouldn't look very good, though

Also online interactions only apply to actual interactions with other people, hehe.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

I know... It's a terrible shame. :/ Bunny boys = love

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Bunny people are disgusting and I hope males can never wear the ears.

*holds up shield*

No, but seriously. It bears repeating: there is absolutely nothing wrong with gender locked gear. The vast majority of people are fine with it - because in most societies there is a clear case of specific clothing being marketed based on the gender of the wearer. Exceptions exist, yes, but they're very much the minority and not the majority.

Does this mean that all gear should be gender locked? No, not at all. At the same time, however, the game would benefit immensely from designing more gear specifically for men, women and specific races so that it doesn't have to be watered down for the sake of one particular gender or race. Let's be honest here - a lot of gear that is designed for both genders tends to be designed in a very feminine or androgynous manner. Some people like that, others don't - and variety is important. Male characters in particular often get the short end of the stick when it comes to many unisex sets, particularly healer/caster gear.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Male characters in particular often get the short end of the stick when it comes to many unisex sets, particularly healer/caster gear.

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I have so many healer dresses on my retainer. x.x

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Originally Posted by Theodric

No, but seriously. It bears repeating: there is absolutely nothing wrong with gender locked gear.

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with removing all gender locks, but you seem like you might have a problem with that.

EDIT: If we want to get into stuff designed with men in mind, how about you take a look at literally every piece of generic tank armor in the game.

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Originally Posted by Tilgung

There's absolutely nothing wrong with removing all gender locks, but you seem like you might have a problem with that.

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I do, yes - because it serves to water down gear design. Not everything needs to be available to everybody. Some stuff being fairly exclusive allows people who want to embrace typical gender/racial norms to be happy. Those who don't want to embrace those norms have an overwhelming amount of other gear to choose from. A male character who wants to dress up in feminine gear isn't lacking in options. A male character who wishes to dress up in stereotypical 'masculine' gear, however, has very limited options - especially given that a lot of the unisex gear is watered down to either be feminine or androgynous.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I feel like that wouldn't look very good, though

Also online interactions only apply to actual interactions with other people, hehe.

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Very true, although in a game where players can alter their appearance and wardrobe, there is still some element of what Iw as suggesting - as you can see in the pictures I posted in an edit that sadly happened after you replied. Kosmos is clearly wearing something, but that is obscured by foreground objects. Very simple and traditional camera trickery to create faux nudity. Kosmos would definitely appreciate a costume with a well placed Lei as a top, maybe that's a Miqo'te thing though? ;)

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Bunny people are disgusting and I hope males can never wear the ears.

*holds up shield*

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lol, A friend of mine wears one of the Usagi helms all the time. I think he'd be very happy to be able to simply wear the ears alone (along with the rest of his normal costume!!) sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I do, yes - because it serves to water down gear design.

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I see this as limiting options for every player, and numbing down players creativity.

And catering to people who can't bear the thought of traditional gender lines being blurred is.. silly at best.

Tumblerinnas

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Originally Posted by PenelopeWinn

Tumblerinnas

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Redditards

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

The irony :rolleyes:

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Missed this somehow. You felt the need to explain that you're not for gender locks, even though I never implied you were on either side of the matter. I only reexplained my point multiple times because you kept missing my point.

Unless being sarcastic is the same being defensive now? Must have missed that memo.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

What if they prefer to wear the other one tho?

Heaven forbid a guy/girl wears whatever they want in a video game.

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But it is the same hat
Just another colored feather.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Some make perfect sense at least.

Like the South Seas Talisman, girls can't wear that without pushing up the ESRB rating.

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It could turn into a bikini if a female wear it.

i'm for 2 gender gear models in one gear

like the coatee set

http://img4.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2010/11/25/ff14/1.jpg

a male version and a female version without a gender-lock

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Originally Posted by Felis

But it is the same hat
Just another colored feather.

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That's kinda the point. What's the purpose of the gender lock over such a small difference?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Besides, online interactions are not rated by the ESRB....

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That just means they aren't responsible for what other players say. Glamour items =/= online interactions.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

I don't care for much for the OPs topic but this has to be the worst argument ever.
you're essentially saying you can't complain about something unless others are.

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nope. it's fine if he wants to complain but no need to abuse the LGBT.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

One person complains. The entire community is complaining according to you. Also way to judge a group of people on one person. Real mature.

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he identified himself as a member of the LGBT communities, right? so I assume he is representing for his communities?