I had a feeling off-topic discussions would come up with the language-specific server brought up by Yoshi-P, but please do try to keep this thread civil and in-topic and not deal into touchy issues like racism.
Also, I would like to remind people it's not like FFXIV is going to be divided completely into their own language servers as Global servers will still exist. While I am a Japanese person who is fine with playing with other players in the Global server, I do have to say and agree that a significant number of fellow JP players will move to the Japanese language-specific servers, if only for the simple want of not having to deal with the language barrier. Personally, I think this issue is more potent than that of the issue of racism. I like playing in a Global server because I can speak/write in multiple languages.
And while some people are concerned that this may lower the population of Global servers, with the server transfers in place in FFXIV 2.0, I think there will also be server mergers. So we might not see that much of a decline in Global servers than one might think.
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10-17-2011, 03:49 PMStanislaw
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10-17-2011, 03:50 PMzed32Really... wow. If ANYTHING makes this game NOT a WoW clone its that. PvP? Hell, MASSIVE PvP at that? If you ask people where some of the worst, basic, remedial, laughably bad PvP is located, its uh... WoW. Even the hardcore WoW-heads will agree. Have you ever played WoW? Haha, like... that is just horrible. And if you have, have you ever played DAoC, Ultima, WAR, or any game with actual good PvP where the developers came out, much like here, and said 'We will focus on PvP'? Believe me, it doesn't end up like WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anapingofness
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10-17-2011, 03:54 PMColdbrand
Yeah, it's not wholly an issue of racism, but it certainly plays a significant role. The point is, ANYONE who played XI for a long time will tell you the JP are going bye bye. Which I think is sad since I enjoy being around people of culture's different from my own and learning from them. But without SE having mandatory international servers, we won't be seeing too many JP players anymore, and the international servers will more likely be a mix of euro/american and then maybe some hispanic and other asian groups if they really work hard on the number of translations.
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10-17-2011, 03:56 PMLilaAquillina
Yes, this game will be a WoW clone. They tried to be 'unique' -- anyone remember the hype here? They were taking down the 'holy trinity'! Seamless world! no levels! Fully customizable classes!
Now they're going to copy the market leader. It makes good business sense. It's going to be a WoW clone, albeit a shinier, cleaner WoW clone. Split hairs any which way you want to, but it is what it is. -
10-17-2011, 04:02 PMDavorokThis is the part that everyone really needs to pay attention to. It doesn't matter which side of the Pay-Debate you are on.Quote:
However, in order to continue these services for our customers who have bought this game and for our customers who continue to play this game, even if we didn't factor in development costs, there are also server maintenance costs, 24-hour GM support costs and many others that require consideration, so we need funding in order to continue operating.
To paraphrase, "...In order to keep the servers open and operating we need to renew subscription fees."
Summation: $$$ = Servers stay up.
No $$$ = No Servers...or rather fewer servers. That will be up to the accounting department.
Hence the "pitch" from Yoshi P: (paraphrased)
..."We want to allow those of you who enjoy the game as it is now to experience the changes in store for Eorzea. We have special events and storylines planned that can only be experienced before v2.0 goes live. We hope you will choose to stay with us through these exciting (and challenging) times and as always we value and rely on your continued feedback..."
It is certainly possible (and plausible to boot) that if they don't get enough subs, they may just shut down till 2013.
However, I think they will do all they can to avoid that. -
10-17-2011, 04:03 PMAenarion
I like how many people with obvious prescience ability are in this thread, who obviously know things about 2.0 that none of us knows.
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10-17-2011, 04:05 PMStanislawI see issues of "FFXIV is turning into WoW" comments all the time, but then again, sometimes I wonder:Quote:
Originally Posted by LilaAquillina
Is that a bad thing?
I mean really. You said it yourself, it's going to be a WoW clone, albeit a shinier, cleaner WoW clone. Is that really a bad thing?
Jokes aside, it's too early to tell. We will only know once it's out and once we play. Only then can we pass the final judgement if it's a clone or not. Until then, it's all speculation. -
10-17-2011, 04:08 PMLilaAquillinaCan't argue with that. However, I can say that I never got into WoW too much for a reason. It was a fun game to play and it didn't have some issues that XI had -- but it also had issues that XI didn't have. Ultimately, I liked XI more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
However, it is all speculation at this point. We'll know in 2013 ^^ -
10-17-2011, 04:09 PMZenakuBecoming a wow clone wont help them you just going to piss a lot of people off once blizzard new mmo come out it be ffxi vs wow all over again. Sorry but they could make the game unique work.Quote:
Originally Posted by LilaAquillina
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10-17-2011, 04:11 PMZumiYou do realize that this is one of the JP players biggest concerns theres a 900 post topic on the JP general forum complaining about not having JP only servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
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10-17-2011, 04:11 PMHoolieWhoGlad to see this said. And thanks for the translation.Quote:
I feel that the differences of having these two features [Player and Item search] and not having them is so significant, so much that I feel these are features are the absolute minimum requirements for this game be called an MMORPG.
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10-17-2011, 04:19 PMAnapingofnessWe all realize that they need money. However, that still doesn't excuse them to change the players for an incomplete game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Davorok
If they have at the very least offered -50% off the monthly price then it wouldn't be so bad. It would have sent a clear message that yeah, they need money, but they're not going to shaft their fans. In addition to that you're asking your fans to trust you with something that is turning into a rather shiny WoW clone or worse yet, that may become another giant flop. D=
Also, maybe it is better that they do shut down until 2013. They're losing a lot of people over this and even if they have 50k (and they don't, but we'll say 50k for ease of math) players world wide that is still pretty bad... Really bad actually.
50k players / 18 servers = 2800 players per server (I'm rounding up). I remember that just before they took out the ability to see how many players were on a server it was down to like 800-1200(roughly). That little update was a while ago my friend...
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10-17-2011, 04:23 PMZumiObvious answer is lower queue times and much larger pool of players to pick from and this easier for the matchmaking tool to make a group with the correct levels and class roles. How does it destroy the server community when people on their own server don't really do anything outside their own click of friends?Quote:
Why does the so called "Content Finder" (aka Dungeon Finder) have to be cross server? Why can't we use it only for that server so that it doesn't destroy the community?
Ballista was terrible and nobody played if after the initial couple weeks. Having an contested battlefield area where different factions or companies in FFXIV's case fight over is pretty standard in any MMO now.Quote:
Why do they have to for the WoW version of PvP and not use better version of Ballista?
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10-17-2011, 04:33 PMShneibelP2P ofc ? we all know how bad the game can be if it is F2P , right ?Quote:
Therefore, we will let our customers decide at the point where 1.20 is released - or perhaps even when 1.21 or 1.22 is released, it doesn't matter - if they want to pay the bills for this game or not by deciding if this game is fun to play or not at their current respectable states.
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10-17-2011, 04:49 PMDreadnoughti dont know the specifics and i love japanese people and their culture, but man, japanese people sure did like saying "JP ONLY" when creating XP parties. there really were times when i could have leveled faster if they didnt care who they played with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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10-17-2011, 04:52 PMDreadnoughtQFT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zumi
no one played ballista. i played for about four years and i literally never once saw a single player take part in those system messages about ballista starting lol i still remember riding my chocobo seeing those messages wondering wtf the battle even looked like.
as for cross server parties, how the hell does that destroy any community? i was in some really awesome parties in cross server groups in WoW, even took some screen shots of some cool ass people and we kept in touch for a few months. that sounds like community building to me. -
10-17-2011, 05:08 PM3Jane
Language-specific servers. If /when this comes about, I will be leaving.
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10-17-2011, 06:02 PMKibo
I'm under the impression that Japanese people strongly dislike inconveniences, and therefore would like to have JP only servers. I find it hard to relate to this as I'm a European living in a country heavily promoting ethnic diversity (For the better or worse, but that's besides the point). But I fail to see how some of you Americans wag your fingers at the Japanese playerbase for being "xenophobic" when you scream your mouths off in APB:R (Just to pick an example of another multi-regional "MMO") when someone speaks something other than English.
In Japan they don't need any other language than Japanese to get by in life, much like you'll never need any other language than English. Due to their current cultural isolation I will not judge them for not wanting to speak or learn English. They simply have no reason to. It's a shame, but that's the way it is.
And thus, they don't want to deal with the language barrier since they are very much unable to do so. You could argue that they should make use of the auto translator which was created for this very purpose, but that thing, however neat it is, is a very ineffective way of communicating.
Have you ever been affected by the language barrier? Sometimes it can take such a great toll on you it's almost to the point where it's physically exhausting, not to mention mentally.
I've only met one Japanese individual who was willingly speaking English before Japanese, and that was only because she wanted to improve outside of the game as well. For this very purpose she even joined an American LS. But like I said, she only inconvenienced herself for educational purposes. If that wasn't the case she'd probably have conformed to Japanese speaking communities only. Just because she could. -
10-17-2011, 06:05 PMPjofBumblebeeIf it happened I wouldn't leave... probably, but I'd still be seriously disappointed and I must say quite sad...Quote:
Originally Posted by 3Jane
I'm in linkshell with chinese, german, french and japanese players (and I'm italian...) and I find playing with all of them one of the most fun things about this game and MMORPGs in general. It is true that language can sometime be a serious problem (sometimes I wonder if my ls friends are speaking behind my back in some kind of secret code consisting of english mixed with words I can't understand <.<), but still I find it incredibly amusing and, maybe foolishly, a nice learning experience.
P.S. I have always despised "ghetto" linkshells on FFXI and I don't think "ghetto" servers would be any better... -
10-17-2011, 06:08 PMWynnIf all those guys and gals you play with want to continue to have the experience you do, they won't leave the global servers so you don't have anything to worry about. It isn't as if SE is going to herd the German/Japanese/French/English speakers into specific servers like chattel.Quote:
Originally Posted by PjofBumblebee
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10-17-2011, 06:12 PMAnswa
Spanish speakers are the ones that are getting the shaft. I found out recently that the only reason my friends from Spain don't have their (our) own version of the game is because Spain doesn't require translations by law, unlike France and Germany. Lucky for us, there's a fairly big LS in my server that is all Hispanic. And more than half are Spaniards...
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10-17-2011, 06:16 PMWynnI never did understand why Spanish wasn't supported in XI and then now in XIV. It is such a widely spoken language. Now I know. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Answa
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10-17-2011, 06:23 PMKyrsIsleyI think you meant suspended there. I will collect the proofreading fee when I log on in a bit :PQuote:
それも加味した上で、発表の通り、弊社側で、課金開始前に自動更新を停止させて頂き、
課金にはお客様の再度の同意が必要になるように対応を進めていますが、
やはりそれは「更新を止めといたから、報告は適当で良い」ということにはなりません。
With that in mind, like we mentioned earlier in our billing announcement, when we do start billing all accounts will be temporarily suspected to prevent such occurrences and let our customers decide if they want to pay for our services in order to continue playing. This doesn't mean, however, such excuses as "Because we suspected accounts, we can get away without making a big announcement." be acceptable.
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10-17-2011, 06:39 PMStanislawYes, sorry. Edited. =PQuote:
Originally Posted by KyrsIsley
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10-17-2011, 06:46 PMMysteriousRonin
He doesn't mention when Male Mithras will be released. I'd love to support the game with a sub but I don't want to put a lot of time and work into leveling anything but Male Mithra now that I've seen them.
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10-17-2011, 06:53 PMFear
Theres nothing wrong with JP people wanting a server that only speaks japanese, I dont mind sharing a mixed language server but being in a EU/US only server would mean you can understand and speak to everybody
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10-17-2011, 07:03 PMneorei
it's for Japanese culture Japanese people are embarrassed to speak English cause they don't like to be embarrassed. I'm all for having a global server but i think we and jp people will benefit more on separate language servers.
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10-17-2011, 07:18 PMChreesFixed that for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MysteriousRonin
Anyway, all three missing gender/race combinations are coming with 2.0, at which time everyone will also have the chance to go through the character customization again and re-choose their race, hair, eyes, etc.
It's all in the outlines. Jesus people, learn to read...
http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Content_EN.pdfQuote:
Addition of Miqo'te males, Highland Hyur and Roegadyn females for version 2.0.
http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Outline_EN.pdfQuote:
The new graphics engine will cause certain objects to display differently than they do in the current version. Because of this, we will allow all current players the opportunity to re-customize the race, gender, and appearance of their characters upon the implementation of the new engine
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10-17-2011, 07:31 PMRizonI have never played WoW so I don't know what all the hubbub is about....bub. I can only judge by what I have seen in FFXI. Right now the game is starting to go beyond passable and should reach excellence in a year. If that is what it means to be a WoW clone then I am all for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
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10-17-2011, 08:05 PMSylvari
Back on topic: I can't wait to see FFXIV 2.0, it's like seeing a whole new game... and the pre 2.0 story that current players get just makes it all the more exciting...
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10-17-2011, 08:17 PMMalakhimHe's right, Betel, as calling PR a third-world country would be incorrect. This place ain't even a country!Quote:
Originally Posted by Answa
But seriously now, did anyone notice "patch 1.20" and "job system" being mentioned in the same general vicinity, or am I going crazy? -
10-17-2011, 08:23 PMSylvariI read every last word of this and the "Road Work" thingy.... (excited beyond sanity)....Quote:
Originally Posted by Malakhim
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10-17-2011, 08:41 PMPreypacerI'll be staying on the multi-regional servers. I have never had an issue (xenophobic or otherwise) with Japanese, German or French players in XI, and I don't suspect I will in XIV either.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
I always felt the cross-culture nature of the servers in XI made the game that much more interesting. I'd even get into some conversations - albeit short and not very fluid - with players from other regions via the autotranslator.
So, regardless of how they do that, I'll be sticking to the mult-regional servers. -
10-17-2011, 08:43 PMpopdai
Maybe they can try to have multi-regional servers, but instanced contents dislocated? :)
Fighting Ifrit here in Europe is a pain in the ass XD Especially for mages XD -
10-17-2011, 08:56 PMNarmito
they can't work all day two version of the game for free .
someone must pay
if they asked money for those who doesnt like the game as it is at the current version ...its not right and thats why those customers will take for free the version 2
but customers that enjoying the current version must pay and it s ok..version 2 is free and for us who bought the game 1 year ago
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10-17-2011, 09:08 PMMihana
Personally I have some concern over the part regarding transferring/converting items that was mentioned. Now I know this isn't 100% accurate, but would the dated items we have currently be gone for good? Until they add in the coloring system there's certain pieces of gear I want to keep since they're not usable by other classes. There's also some gear (Kecks for example.) that are usable by all classes but aren't when dealing with their non-dated counterparts. Also I'd like to be able to keep some of this gear for in the future, you know, for when the gear's pretty much extinct but still exists. Other games have this where gear will be usable by certain classes/jobs it otherwise cannot be used by. But of course it no longer exists so this piece is considered "rare".
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10-17-2011, 09:52 PMPrettyPrincess
And there you have it, they need funds.
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10-17-2011, 10:01 PMNymia
Oh dear, leave it to these forums to blow something like that out of proportion.
Personally, what excited me about Stan's translation was:
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Concerning gil, we plan to implement features such as Housing, Changing the color of equipments, Barbers and other similar features where they are repeatable, gil-consumable content.
/cheer :DQuote:
Barbers
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10-17-2011, 10:02 PMReverser
Your translation has several innacuracies. You should probably leave messages of this import to be translated by someone else (ie professionals). This is the face of a producer to his players and requires more than a "stab."
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10-17-2011, 10:06 PMArk_mage2
Not sure if someone has mentioned this or not, but I think they way they plan to split up servers will make a lot of sense. By having both language specific servers along with global servers I think both sides will benefit. This way those Japanese and English speaking players who want nothing to do with each other can segregate themselves accordingly. Meanwhile those on a "global" server will be the ones who want to experience the game with other cultures, making it in all likelihood a more accepting and friendly global environment than it is now. As an English speaker with some Japanese knowledge and a love of many other cultures and languages, I will definitely be choosing a global server, and I think many will do the same.