Marriage Roulette

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

As much as I appreciate the sentiments of this idea, from a design standpoint is just wouldn't work. The DF is specifically for filling instances for people who need the content in order to progress with people who will play with them. The most efficient way to do this is if everyone queued solo, because combinatorics. Of course, not everyone is going to queue solo so we need to makes sure at least some of the community is or else it would destroy queue times. The way to incentive solo play is that the roulette, with its bonuses, requires solo play. Allowing people to "duo" queue into roulettes breaks this and it would really mess with queue times. Generally I think it would raise the mean and the variance of the wait time. Not good.

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Roulette Expert, lvl 60 and 50 would like to have a talk with you.

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Originally Posted by CrystalRainbow

They just need to make all roulette queue able without max party.

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Nice Idea I like it! :)

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Originally Posted by Adire

This would make vote kick abuse even worse since it only takes 1 person actually voting yes in a kick for it to go through, not counting the initiator of course. So no thanks.

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Remove the votekick option, should've never been implemented. People need to get along with everyone, just like in this salty forum. (not that your comments were salty, mind you ;) )

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Originally Posted by Icaras

While it's a little annoying when me and my sister are leveling and we can't do certain roulettes together...I also tend to play solo quite a bit and given only allowing some roulettes is for queue management, in the long run I think it's still a good idea.

For every every person that has a few buddies lined up to queue with, I bet there are probabaly 10 times more solo players.

If you're leveling your 1st class, then just queue solo. If you have end game level characters...then currently you can do 50, 60, experts, normal alex and void arc together.

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Thanks for the reply!

I'm not playing only for leveling, leveling by itself comes automatically. We are playing for the fun of it, and to have a bit more XP of course and GIL, which is needed for the absurd Market Board ruled by humans..

So yeah, So many options for leveling, but do get into Dungeons (where we have fun) would be nice for everyone.

As someone else said, unlock it up to the max party -1, then we might see a new hype from bored players.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

I was expecting this topic to be about something different from the title, and I'm now confused and slightly disappointed. There's got to be a gap in the market for random wedding matchmaking roulettes. Who needs to meet someone and get to know them first?

Back on topic, it would be fun but I honestly think married couples get enough perks. I usually play with my real life partner and we just don't bother with those roulettes. Having more duo options would be nice but why limit it to couples?

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Lol tell me beyond Soloers (which the games leans toward) Who's limited? Couples are underrated here, not the opposite lol

And besides teleporting quickly once per 30 mins outside instances, tell me the perks of being married in this game?

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Honestly... if there's gonna be any marriage roulette it should be more about randomly pairing you with someone else for the eternal bond for people who have a difficult time finding someone on their own. kinda like blind dating except for the use of the wedding rewards only. The only issue with this idea is there's plenty of people who would automatically assume they're dating the other person by default when it would only be about helping people get the rewards.

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Guess some people who play this game alone really should get a real BF/GF in life.. I wouldn't want to be with a random player heck no! Married? You guys are nuts ^^

If you cannot make friends on your own, chat in FC/LS and then get to know each other, and then ask each other to get 'perks' of getting married in the game, and both agree, then you don't deserve the server to randomly choose someone for you, you failed the FATE already >.<

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I completely agree. My partner and I live together in the real world and our characters are bonded in-game. Yet we often go off and do our own thing. Why? Because it's healthy - and interacting with people other than one's significant other is important. In my experience - and I mean no offence by this - players who absolutely must do everything with somebody else are generally very clingy and prone to drama.

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Thank you for saying no offence, as none is taken ^^ and hopefully my post will be viewed as such.

You have to think outside the box (monitor) - When 2 people work (real work, no mamas and papas paying for you) that takes a huge chuck of time away. Add Kids, even less.

We have lots of activities beyond this game (now that's HEALTHY!) We just started Kendo yesterday, and it was a Blast!

Ok on topic.

So when my BF purchased this game, it was for both of us to enjoy a good time together, and then sometimes he plays alone, sometimes it's me, to catch up to him since he plays since Beta ^^

The drama comes in many ways, no need for a game, but add people who play who are alone and never got to see the sun outside, somes are prone to be acting like Divas or DramaQueens..

So yeah, it's not that everyone MUST absolutely do everything with their lover. Missed the point.

I proposed to ADD more Roulettes! And since they can allow more than one to do some of the Roulettes already, the programmed module for it to allow more roulette and being unlocked is created already.

And we have FC/LS/Friends in the game when we want to chat, or to complete dungeon runs because we got paired with Randoms who were not able to help us complete the instance for whatever reason.

So hope it's clearer. To ADD more Roulettes, or unlock those.

Oh! and what everyone will say when they'll unlock GC Ranks? We will be able to Hire mercenaries.. so us 2 + 2 mercenairies, lot's of people will cry that they don't have us to help clear what they want thereafter.

So it seems obvious that they can do it.

I leave it up to them to decice if they should.

Just like any other suggestion in the game, like Glamour this and that. (QoL they say, can't live without glam - now that's healthy lol)

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Originally Posted by Savvy

She said they have a limited amount of time to play together each day, so I don't think all of the comments about needing to spend all their time together and not interacting with other people and how it isn't healthy apply here at all.

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Ty ^^

/10char

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Originally Posted by Aushi

I would *love* this. I play with my boyfriend who lives an hour away. I'm a full time college student and mom. He's a full time employee. We (except on holidays) have VERY limited time to play. Personally if he's not online, I don't even play. If people in the game were more social, then I'd enjoy it more, but whenever I get into a dungeon there's only a few moments people talk: -Hello, -Brb/ -Some kind of critique/advice, -Jerk/Bully, -Thanks for the group, bye! I've tried to actively seek social LS to join (I'm in an FC with IRL friends who are rarely online, save my bf, so no socialization there). If I play by myself, I'm quite literally playing by myself. My keyboard could be half a room away (I play in the PS4) and never need it. And I DO try to make conversations, people mostly just ignore it ._.; Heck I even PF'd a whole day "Seeking social LS! Want to make new friends!" And nothing <.<; If you're not end game concentrated, you're no one ._.; (My end game is honestly making my FC house pretty).

SO, suffice to say, since I ONLY play (this) game when he's online, I literally *never* do my roulettes. He does, of course, enjoy the game without me, he has actual friends in the game (he's the one that introduced me to the game) and even if he had no one to talk to, he enjoys the game enough to play by himself. But I know he wouldn't mind doubling with me for roulettes. It'd be nice~

And though I play with him at all times, I tank, dps and heal, so I know how to do my roles just fine regardless of who is tanking/healing x) (He's not a good healer rofl)

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Awesome. That's the type of person, like yourself, that I wanted to reach, among others ^^

Not everyone has all the time in the world, and my BF consider himself so lucky to have a Gamer girl.. and I'm decent at healing, Astro's my favorite so far, almost 60, can't wait!

Next: Scholar (my BF's Healer fav lol) He plays all roles, like some more than others, and I'm playing to catch up ^^

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

If they have such limited time, how are they running out of things to do? None of the upper level roulettes are limited to one person.

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Err.. you read my post?

We are not running out of things to do lol with every server reset, Leves, Fates, VA, and daily Vanu Beast Tribes, Trial, Main Scenario, Leveling (looking at you!), 50, 60 expert..

We have to skip some among them.

And on day we can do all of them like when the kids are away, we still encounter the fact that we both click on leveling, apart.

That's where a DUO roulette, or a Marriage one, would be nice to have, then we could skip the leveling, until they'll unlock it like lvl 50 and up.

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Originally Posted by Savvy

Did she say she was running out of things to do? She actually didn't say that at all. I'm pretty sure she said that they enjoy doing the roulettes and it's what drives them in the game, and since they have limited time to play they would like to be able to do those things that they enjoy in the game, together. Not just the expert roulettes.

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2 posts, and 10/10 on each answers from you ^^

You got my commends (like)à

If you don't have friends, come play with us on Gilgamesh! ;) (then we would be blocked for certain roulettes lololol)

Wow this got serious quickly. Wish there were more benefits to being married. Then I would get married again. So many possibilities.

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Originally Posted by Selli

*Reads the first page*

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I'm a WHM and my boyfriend is a PLD/DRK, what do you mean we're suddenly a stereotype. D:

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Exactly ^^

Seems lots thought this game was played by single-guys only lol

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

The purpose of roulettes is to benefit those that have little or no in game contacts. The OP has my sympathy definitely. I have a few people I've recruited and I'm kinda sad I can't do the leveling roulette with them, but if people were allowed to duo in lower roulettes, I guarantee there'd be a significant increase in queue times.

I've always done OTL

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Ty for the sympathy ^^

my Bf's been in older FC, and even if you are 200+, everyone is doing 'their own thing' and different timezones etc.. so even looking for 2 members when he was playing with someone else before, was a pain...

So we went the route of a small FC, but helpful.

now, let's say 4-8 real friends decided to play this game.

They create their FC, and do all contents together. No one is helping anyone outside their FC.

Does that benefits everyone? not at all. Can they do it? Of course! That's their prerogative to even play this game!

So yeah, to each their own.

Just prays SE will answer this one with a nice (we'll send it to the DEVs so they can look into what they can do with their limited allowed time ^^ )

what can we say, we love to help new people and older to whatever they need, except giving gil lol

But when no ones around, we play.. together (sacrilege!)

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Originally Posted by EnoraTaqa

Roulette Expert, lvl 60 and 50 would like to have a talk with you.

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And there are two things I would say in response:
1. There are more people at cap than are leveling. More people = more combinations = easier to make teams
2. Ever notice the queue times on Expert v Leveling? I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

Marriage roulette is an alright idea, but I'd rather open up the feature to everyone to queue in partial groups instead of limit it to married couples.

I rarely do the solo roulettes anymore because I'm busy doing group things. If the roulettes allowed partial groups, I would be able to do the roulettes more often and help out people who need groups.

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Works for me!

I just 'proposed' ;) so that we can debate on stuff.

I honestly see no problem with a roulette like this. However, if you queue with randoms (say the couple is the tank/healer duo), people expect everyone to know what they are doing, and/or have a basic grasp on how your job works by the time you hit endgame. The only problem(s) I see are: When healer isn't actually doing a good job of keeping people alive; Tank isn't trying to keep hate up... (Yes, I've ran into couples like these in expert and level 60 the last few weeks when I'm queued as Bard). I voice my concerns (in a polite manner) saying something about trying to be better. I got kicked once saying something in a civil manner, because the healer was so, so bad. I attempted to give advice to this person, and I got kicked, because of the majority vote of vote kick, and them being a couple and such. That is the only issue I see with couples queued together in dungeons (not saying everyone is like this. I've ran with a bunch of couples that were awesome sauce).

There'll always be bad and good sides to a topic. I just wanted to leave my opinion about this topic here. Please don't take offense to it. ; ;

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Originally Posted by Miste

You guys are making some massive generalizations here about couples playing this game together...it's kind of ridiculous to throw everyone into one pot.

You know nothing about OP's relationship yet you declare they always "must" want to play with each other just because they asked to do some roulettes together. Also saying people who constantly play together are automatically worse players....like I don't get where people make this stuff up from.

Unhealthy? The only unhealthy thing is the fact you guys are putting down fellow players for being in a relationship where they enjoy playing with each other. You have no basis for telling other people when too much time together is too much. You are not their therapists and you don't know their life or even remotely who they are since this is the internet.

My boyfriend and I spend time together on this game, and we also spend a lot of time doing our own thing. We don't like all the same content so I do stuff on my own a lot. He does stuff on his own that I don't like as much. Sometimes I do stuff with him that he enjoys even if I don't care for it just to spend some extra time and vice versa.

But you know what? Even I have thought at some points I wish I could queue together with BF today. All the time? Likely not, I don't even do the roulettes on a consistent basis and neither does he.

Will SE do it? I don't know. It isn't a deal breaker for me so I don't really mind either way, but these responses were pretty rude if you ask me (like calling people clingy, and worse players; those things add nothing to the discussion).

You cannot just make tons of generalizations about couples or say your own relationship is the only way it works. Everyone is different, our lives are all different, our relationships are all different.

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Ty, that's exactly it ^^ /wipes tears

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I may get some flack, but I really dislike people who *must* play with a specific person for everything. You're a far worse player for doing that, not in a community sense but a personal sense. Playing with randoms teaches adaptation and gets you used to having to think on your feet.

Met far too many who say they're an amazing healer/tank...but only with their tank/healer partner; anyone else and they become a complete noob at their role.

There's also something unhealthy about always needing to play with a specific person, so much that not being with them causes distress.

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Playing with the painfully idiotic lemmings in Duty Finder doesn't make you a better player, it just makes you a better babysitter, especially as a healer.

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Originally Posted by EnoraTaqa

Lol tell me beyond Soloers (which the games leans toward) Who's limited? Couples are underrated here, not the opposite lol

And besides teleporting quickly once per 30 mins outside instances, tell me the perks of being married in this game?

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Why do they have to be married? Why can't pairs of friends join too? It's such a weird, arbitrary restriction to suggest. Admittedly such restrictions seem popular with the team so it might give it a better chance ;p

To be honest I think they balanced the marriage stuff pretty well in terms of making it satisfying without making everyone who isn't married feel as though they're missing out on something essential. The ring is great, the sentimental items and clothes are great, the mount is hilarious and we had a lot of fun getting together with our friends when my wife and I married in game.

In any case, I feel being part of a couple is its own reward which doesn't need incentivising further. Loosening the roulette restrictions is fine as per your other suggestion, but there's no need to leave anyone out.

(Anecdotally on my server most of the players in DF are incredible and even when I work hard I often come away feeling as though I was carried. Whereas playing with my real partner (and our friends) was a hilarious bloodbath of overconfidence and quick learning right from the beginning. There are cultural differences in play here, obviously, but I'm pretty sure I've learnt more from playing with someone who isn't afraid to scream "What on earth are you doing?!" mid-fight than a bunch of highly capable strangers. No need for people to judge others for the way they choose to become skilled at their role.)

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

I'm sorry but, just wow. I think the ff14 forum community hit an all time low with some of the replies in this thread. I'm all fir not agreeing but, just the level of ignorance, arrogance and down right stupidity is just play wrong.

I see nothing wrong with this suggestion, I play with my boyfriend all the time, and I'm a good player. I think you guys citing disagreements citing that as "you're weaker for it" are, two things, first assuming the situation, and two mixing up a completely situation.

With assuming, we don't know anyone background, or relationship and shouldn't butt in on it.

As for of mixing up, this is a misconception because a few non gaming females try to play games with their boyfriend/husband or vise versa, which is again none of our business, and may not play well if not with their SO., or only play BECAUSE of their SO.

Mmo are best played with friends, df in mmo was built fir the new solo trend of mmo gaming where people with lil time solo queue to do stuff.

With the adaptation comment, I call bull. Playing with random players doesn't make you stronger or weaker. You adapt to the dungeon, not really how other players play. Some of the top guilds in mmo, aRe built up from players meeting and playing the same mmo becoming long time friends, and going to other mmo together.


I see nothing wrong with this suggestion, infect I fully support it and see now thing wring with adding a 2 player section of roulettes, why not it could be optional, may give people an incentive to group up together build server community

Which is something we should promote. Why not take it further and make solo roulettes, and 2 player roulette 4 player roulette and 8 player roulettes.


Give people more options and give reason to set up pf's outside of farming and raiding.

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Ty for your words ^^ and yes more options for everyone, the better!

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Originally Posted by KaitlanKela

And there are two things I would say in response:
1. There are more people at cap than are leveling. More people = more combinations = easier to make teams
2. Ever notice the queue times on Expert v Leveling? I rest my case.

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1. Easier to make teams for.. cap roulettes? Leveling: most of the time, it's 4 synced people, so no new members here to help, everyone is there for the high-bonus, and they know their roles, so..

2. not that much, considering we have almost instant queue me as healer and him as Tank ^^

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Originally Posted by Breezelyn

I honestly see no problem with a roulette like this. However, if you queue with randoms (say the couple is the tank/healer duo), people expect everyone to know what they are doing, and/or have a basic grasp on how your job works by the time you hit endgame. The only problem(s) I see are: When healer isn't actually doing a good job of keeping people alive; Tank isn't trying to keep hate up... (Yes, I've ran into couples like these in expert and level 60 the last few weeks when I'm queued as Bard). I voice my concerns (in a polite manner) saying something about trying to be better. I got kicked once saying something in a civil manner, because the healer was so, so bad. I attempted to give advice to this person, and I got kicked, because of the majority vote of vote kick, and them being a couple and such. That is the only issue I see with couples queued together in dungeons (not saying everyone is like this. I've ran with a bunch of couples that were awesome sauce).

There'll always be bad and good sides to a topic. I just wanted to leave my opinion about this topic here. Please don't take offense to it. ; ;

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No offence, your point is good. However, it's Duty Finder: you cannot expect anyone else to be like you (as you might be super-skilled even with Wanderer's Minuet on ;) )

So even if they are good, 3 different people might judge you and votekick you, couple or not.

Moreso if you are polite and give suggestions that, they don't want to read or don't care or are playing on PS4 without a Keyboard or are Japanese that don't understand English ^^ (weird, with Japanese people, they seem to want to get the job done, even with wipes, versus NA where everyone seems on the verge, as if the game will stop and crash if they wipe once lol)

If you see that everyone is doing at least what they should (Tank - getting aggro, Healers: Heals first, then DPS if she wants (I do because it's boring otherwise, but I won't max my DPS with someone 3rd App, we don't care about this crap) and DPS - Avoid everything first, then DPS. (a dead DPS ain't giving any numbers)

I think everyone in the game, new or not, know what each roles pertain, but you cannot force anyone to do it, if they don't want to or just trolling because they are bored doing the same stuff for ages.

And consider this: my BF is playing since Beta: I just started the game, leveling up to 60, doing all dungeons as soon as they were available, but only doing them once, in order to catch up to HW. So, I know my role, I make sure we get through, I can fail to an AoE or mechanic, and I'm sure I'm not the only 'noob' here.

Veterans need to cut some slack to us, as it might be because of us that this game has some refresh with new subscribers ;)

We enjoy the game, it's new and flashy, versus my BF, 2 years, 3.0 almost the rehash of 2.0, so he's been there, done that, but when he looks at me having fun, that helps him with his boredom.

Point is this: no matter who you're linked with, it's how you get along that makes it or break it.

So far, we encountered some DPS, even couples, that were new to their jobs (we are ok with this) but.. couldn't even Dodge anything!!

Can't wait to see Yoshi's New Beginner's Hall; should help everyone, new and old, into new classes/jobs, or perhaps to perfect themselves! :D

If you think this game as a game (to have fun, alone or with peeps) then the numbers and taking 5 mins longer to complete an instance shouldn't matter.

Sure, we won't do as many instance that day: but we had fun, and tomorrow another day! ;)

Have fun in the game, with whoever you're with! ^^

EDIT: I just checked your profile, and you seem to be a Grandmaster of Magic! Kudos ^^

Lots of people might play this game with only one Job to the max, get into Raids, and think they are good. Sure, with their Jobs they are, no question. But in my opinion, they lack the experience from all the other jobs to make valid points and understand how the other roles are played (of course everyone knows a bit about other roles, but not as much as playing them, mind you ^^)

So yeah, if you play as BRD, and say politely that you main healer and could provide some tips, and you don't mind the wipes in order to help improve one person, that later would become better for it, and then helping the community... if you are kicked, it won't be by us for sure! ;)

I'm glad to see you are leveling DRK (My BF's Favorite Tank with PLD ^^ - but I find him sooo squishy to heal, my benediction always ready for his Zombie-Mode lol)

Keep up the good work!

I'd love to see this happening. I am tired of all those solo roulettes. Because what's the point of having paid for a wedding if we can't barely do anything with our partner. Sure we can do things... But outside level 60? Not really!

Hahaha. This topic was not what I thought it was. ;)

I would like to see this feature in, but only for 8 player content roulettes.

So a system where you can sign up for Trial Roulette/Frontline Roulette/Main Scenario Roulette with the person you are eternally bonded with. Can't do it with anyone else, has to be someone you are eternally bonded with.

I don't think it's that bad to be 2 people playing together with a group of 8 randoms if they are eternally bonded characters.

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Originally Posted by AeraLure

Hahaha. This topic was not what I thought it was. ;)

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Sorry I thought it was clear, seems I read some other post like you that thought something else: my apologies.

Hope you would stand in our side still ;)

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Originally Posted by EnoraTaqa

Sorry I thought it was clear, seems I read some other post like you that thought something else: my apologies.

Hope you would stand in our side still ;)

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I thought some people were looking for completely random marriage partners and I thought to myself "There's a thread i have to read!" ^^

However yes, I do support the idea for expansion of the leveling roulette to be able to solo queue or go in with a group. Don't think we need a Marriage Roulette per se, but I am still intrigued by the marriage lottery. XD

Enora, just as a heads up, you can multiquote a single post. :) That way you won't have to post and post and post.

On topic, I have to disagree with a marriage roulette. My fiance and I enjoy playing together, and if we want to level in a dungeon, we simply flag up for the dungeon normally. Doing trials and guildhests solo don't bother me because they're usually done in 5-10 minutes (unless you get one of "those" groups), and MS Roulette is fairly quick as well.

Now I will agree that I would like to see the Leveling Roulette expanded upon.

It should not be locked to only married couple. It should allow us to do them those roulettes with two people.

I like the idea. :3 Doing low level roulette by myself is kinda boring.

remove duty finder and boom

Just to clarify my idea
We can add more roulette subforms like solo roulette, duo roulette, 4man roulette and 8man roulette they can have different bonuses so it gives people incentive to try stuff solo but also do stuff in groups.

I think we need more incentives to use the party finder option and give new players reason to use it.

I think solo queuing in df is hurting the game a lil in the social aspects, like en players in df on tonberry data center no longer say hello, which is starting to become a bit of a downer.

This game community kinda starting to get jaded and new players are paying the price.

Just my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

Just to clarify my idea
We can add more roulette subforms like solo roulette, duo roulette, 4man roulette and 8man roulette they can have different bonuses so it gives people incentive to try stuff solo but also do stuff in groups.

I think we need more incentives to use the party finder option and give new players reason to use it.

I think solo queuing in df is hurting the game a lil in the social aspects, like en players in df on tonberry data center no longer say hello, which is starting to become a bit of a downer.

This game community kinda starting to get jaded and new players are paying the price.

Just my thoughts.

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It's the same on Gilgamesh, community feels bored and dead.. a few hi and hellos in instances, sometimes we ask if we are with Botters lol and still no answer (PS4 without a keyboard limitation I guess o.O or just don't care at all.. until there is a wipe lol )

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I find it weird that as an MMO, we are doing the Main Scenario quest, alone.

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I was debating on making a thread about this last week. I play with several friends and none of us like it how we can't go story quests/side quests together in an MMO. It makes me feel alone and like I'm playing a single player rpg. I really don't understand why they would make a mmorpg like that, but I highly doubt that will change that at this point :<

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Originally Posted by EnoraTaqa

It's the same on Gilgamesh, community feels bored and dead.. a few hi and hellos in instances, sometimes we ask if we are with Botters lol and still no answer (PS4 without a keyboard limitation I guess o.O or just don't care at all.. until there is a wipe lol )

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which is weak reason, ff11 ps2 and 360 ppl pretty much got told to get a keyboard. Its not that costly to get one, more laziness.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

which is weak reason, ff11 ps2 and 360 ppl pretty much got toms to get a keyboard. Its not that costly to get one, more laziness.

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You are all wrong they are as they say casual players ./swt

I do believe that they could at least greet. I tend to say hi too but I am told from healers and some dps (some not all of them) say that I need to talk less and do more big pulls. I suppose they are soo tired communicating and interact ing with people in real life that going to virtual life is just not worth to do so.

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Originally Posted by dekal

You are all wrong they are as they say casual players ./swt

I do believe that they could at least greet. I tend to say hi too but I am told from healers and some dps (some not all of them) say that I need to talk less and do more big pulls. I suppose they are soo tired communicating and interact ing with people in real life that going to virtual life is just not worth to do so.

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Part of mmo playing is socializing and communicating, if they don't wanna no offence don't play one. Kinda getting tired of the communication less assume ers who do big pulls w.o asking or are dps bad pull extra mobs on the tank.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

Part of mmo playing is socializing and communicating, if they don't wanna no offence don't play one. Kinda getting tired of the communication less assume ers who do big pulls w.o asking or are dps bad pull extra mobs on the tank.

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Oh, but they do get offended cuz they too paid for the game. I agree with you. They shouldn't play mmos that way they can do what they want.

Can we get parties being allowed to do duty roulette before we get ideas like these started.