How much does Relic step 3 HQ crafts cost on your server?

18mil when I last cared to tally it up.

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Originally Posted by Hinty

Those prices....

500k is the cheapest, 1.2 million is the most expensive on Cactuar.

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Haven't checked myself, but considering how Cactuar's free market is, this doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Everything is above 1mil on Leviathan.

Big servers don't have it any better than small ones.

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Originally Posted by kuma_aus

I'm curious as to how much people will need to spend to get anima weapons.

Here is my servers day 2 price.

http://i.imgur.com/WBh6bJd.png

So a total of 270 - 300 k gil on mine. And only for 1 weapon as well. Not too bad for 1 weapon but if I were to aim to get them all it would take me forever to get that much gil.

Mind you it is day 2 so the price could jump and fall. How about on other servers?

Edit: Anubis_Nephthys just corrected me and it seems you need 4x of each HQ item. So a grand total of 1 million - 1.3 million to complete Anima weapon based on current prices on my server.

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Thats really cheap and tanks can make over 100k a day by just doing duty roulette grinding with insta queue's.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

So depending on server choice, some players will have an infinitely easier time with this crafting crap.
Way to go SE... way to go. Punish people on small servers even more.

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This isnt SE's fault. It's mostly the fault of how greedy western people are.

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Originally Posted by kuma_aus

Thanks for that. Just added an edit to OP. So for people that have each selling for 1 million +, they will need to spend a total of 16 million gil to complete their Relics... Yeah 95% of the people that are doing Relic won't be able to afford this. People can keep on listing high prices, but as more and more people craft these to make these big "1 million gil" sales, the market should overcrowd.

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If you want to be the first with a shiny new relic, it's gonna cost you a lot more that the people who take 2-3 weeks to get it. If you don't have the 80 unidentified items yet, there is no reason at all to buy the crafted items yet.

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Originally Posted by NoahArks

This isnt SE's fault. It's mostly the fault of how greedy western people are.

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It's how much western people hate boring grindfests so only a handful of people actually do it and they expect a sizable return on their investment.
I'm trying to level my crafters right now and it is such an unfun slog (leveling mats in timed nodes ... was that really necessary?) that I can't blame any crafter wanting to see something for all those hours they invested into basic grinding that should have no place whatsoever in a subscription based MMO.

If they'd make the leveling of the crafts less daunting there would be more crafters -> more competition -> lower prices and more acceptance of smaller profit margins.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

if SE wanted a gilsink with the relic....

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It's not meant as a gil sink. It is meant to finally give crafters something they can sell properly, as HW was severely lacking that.

I'll just say this. As a crafter, I'm expecting to make a huge amount of money on the market board from this.

BUT ONLY ON THE MARKET BOARD. If someone comes up to me and says "Look, I have all of these raw materials. Can you please make this for me?" I'll be like "Sure, no problem! And I'll do it for free!"

I prefer to make my money from the antisocial types who won't grace me with the time of day.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I'll just say this. As a crafter, I'm expecting to make a huge amount of money on the market board from this.

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I know a guy who made over 6m just in the first few hours, crazy lol.

Tis the season to be jolly for the RMT business with this grindfest of a patch.

Last I checked for just one of the items, it's about 8 million for one quarter of an animus on Coeurl. Hopefully that will decrease soon.
(correction, 6 million)

Whoa those prices are amazing! and theres so many. They are very scarce on my MB and go for more than 400k.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

It's how much western people hate boring grindfests so only a handful of people actually do it and they expect a sizable return on their investment.
I'm trying to level my crafters right now and it is such an unfun slog (leveling mats in timed nodes ... was that really necessary?) that I can't blame any crafter wanting to see something for all those hours they invested into basic grinding that should have no place whatsoever in a subscription based MMO.

If they'd make the leveling of the crafts less daunting there would be more crafters -> more competition -> lower prices and more acceptance of smaller profit margins.


It's not meant as a gil sink. It is meant to finally give crafters something they can sell properly, as HW was severely lacking that.

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That's the same tired excuse crafters giive "i want my investment back" when in reality they just want to milk people for as much gill as they can get and since the relic is something a lot of people want they are taking full advantage of it, this isn't a big server vs small server thing because tonberry some mats are hanging around 200-400k.and it's a big server while on levi they are no less then 1 mil, jps simply aren't that greedy. and it shows

The need for 4 of each sure didn't make prices moderate. Personally I can afford them, but, I really don't like getting taken advantage of. I'll try and find someone to make them and to farm what mats I can myself. Gill sellers will be primarily responsible I'm afraid for keeping prices high. Too many will buy from them to get this done.

I should be hovering around the 15/80 token mark later today so I have quite a bit of time yet before getting these becomes necessary. By then like any new item on the board hopefully prices will moderate considerably.

Hyperion is bad. Most the items are well about 1mil at the moment. Only thing below that is the Kingcake that are going for 933k -.-

I dont exactly have a lot of stuff to buy Gil with as I dont buy carries. So least I have something to buy heh.

Prices will drop over time, this is normal.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

I'm trying to level my crafters right now and it is such an unfun slog (leveling mats in timed nodes ... was that really necessary?) that I can't blame any crafter wanting to see something for all those hours they invested into basic grinding that should have no place whatsoever in a subscription based MMO.

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Most western players want instant gratification and things to be easy, this mindset is ruining MMOs in general.

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If they'd make the leveling of the crafts less daunting there would be more crafters -> more competition -> lower prices and more acceptance of smaller profit margins.

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Or people could actually see how much something costs to make and not charge 5-10 times more to "make a profit". People would be more apt to buy things at that point because things don't cost ludicrous amounts of money. We all know crafters charge several times the amount something actually costs. You are right in that if there were more crafters prices may go down, also at that point, most people wouldn't even need other crafters.

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It's not meant as a gil sink. It is meant to finally give crafters something they can sell properly, as HW was severely lacking that.

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Crafters aren't even selling this properly, these kinds of items should never be gated behind crafters. Ever.

People could always make friends who craft?

No....no forget I ever mentioned socializing in a MMO. I'll let myself out.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

People could always make friends who craft?

No....no forget I ever mentioned socializing in a MMO. I'll let myself out.

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No! I will escort you out, for spouting such nonsense!

I'll get some people to craft these, I'm no paying stupid amounts of gil. All these kinds of prices do is promote players to but gil, because in the end, they want their item and they want it now, but are gated behind cost/time.

It's a terrible slog, so on one hand I do agree crafters needed something to feel good about all the hours and whatnot they spent grinding. But basically what they got is a subsidy. Companies spend billions of dollars lobbying for subsidies because it's more profitable and less hassle than dealing with consumer demands and market price fluctuations. It's guaranteed money.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

That's the same tired excuse crafters giive "i want my investment back" when in reality they just want to milk people for as much gill as they can get and since the relic is something a lot of people want they are taking full advantage of it, this isn't a big server vs small server thing because tonberry some mats are hanging around 200-400k.and it's a big server while on levi they are no less then 1 mil, jps simply aren't that greedy. and it shows

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Or they realize that they don't need to buy the items on day 1 when they won't be turning them in until day 20.

Or they have FC members/friends that will do the craft if they can round up the mats.

Or there are enough gatherers on their servers that the materials weren't driven through the roof by speculators.

I would blow up the MB price of the items myself, but I have no use for the gil and other things to do with my time beside crank out 20 of them per hour.

Yeah Midgardsormr prices are ridiculous, I guess that explains why this server is rampant with RMT now as there must be a lot of customers around buying gil to afford these prices.

On Coeurl The blessed fletching is 585k. I am not selling btw, just watching for the moment.

Cost to make it is 238k
128k (5 royal mistletoe)
20k (1 eagle feather)
90k (1 dawneborne aethersand)

Despite the rotations being online (most crafters do not look up rotations) there are as many NQ (useless) as there are HQ. So every time someone tries these with the expensive mats they are getting 1/2 NQ. This causes them to double the cost of their HQ, as it is the only one likely to sell at all. So cost is now up to 476k. List price is 585k. Total profit 109k for an item that is not selling and will be undercut once someone gathers enough mats themselves to flood the market. This is just my server, I am not sure on the costs on all of those mil+ servers. I can only imagine the mat costs on Chocobo are around 30-50k total for the fletching.

Well not everyone has blew through the first 2 stages yet, so the masses are not buying yet so my guess is undercutting it rampant so it most likely be better to buy now then later when lot of people are buying cause when there is a higher demand prices will most likely go up which is usually the trend I see on the MB.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Hyperion is bad. Most the items are well about 1mil at the moment. Only thing below that is the Kingcake that are going for 933k -.-

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That's because Hyperion is a cesspool. -_-;

Currently on Exodus, we have the following prices.

Titanium Alloy Mirror - 2.5 mil for 1 piece, 6 mil if you're buying all 4 at once.
Dispelling Arrow - 1.3 mil for 1 piece
Kingcake - 600k for 1 piece, 5 mil if you're buying all 4 at once
Adamantite Francesca - 1 mil for 1 piece

As you can tell, there's some massive jumps in prices going on, but not a single one is incredibly cheap. At this point I miss the Zodiac step stuff, all of that is going for around 400k, and you only need one of each. WHY ON EARTH did they think 4 of each was a good idea!?

Not sure what the issue is. If you have contacts and friends that are crafters you can just bypass the markets and use a bit of human ingenuity to get a decent price over thinking you have to go the route of look at market board, search website to buy gil and then purchase said item off market board.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

if SE wanted a gilsink with the relic....why dont put this items on a vendor for gil? (like relic in 2.0) even then is still stupid...but at least would be affordable.

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This isn't a gil sink. A gil sink actually removes gil from the system. This just shuffles it around.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

That's the same tired excuse crafters giive "i want my investment back" when in reality they just want to milk people for as much gill as they can get and since the relic is something a lot of people want they are taking full advantage of it, this isn't a big server vs small server thing because tonberry some mats are hanging around 200-400k.and it's a big server while on levi they are no less then 1 mil, jps simply aren't that greedy. and it shows

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The solution is simple, and it applies to any craftable item:

If you don't like the prices being set, craft them yourself or make friends with crafters. Otherwise, suck it up. You really can't blame people for wanting to get as much value for their time as they possibly can. Why bother going to the trouble of gathering the mats and collaborating with other specialists to craft some of the items only to get a pittance of gil back that you could easily make doing something else? An item is only "overpriced" if nobody is willing to pay for it. The price will stay at whatever the market will bear, and that'll go down with time as it has in the past. Free market, supply and demand, blah blah blah.

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Originally Posted by dementiondrive

Famfrit. 2.5 million per item on all 4.

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now it's item, cost, 4x cost
Adamantite Francesca 2.672m 10.7m
Titanium Alloy Mirror 1.5m 6m
Dispelling Arrow 2.25m 9m
Kingcake 1m 4m
total 30m

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Originally Posted by Rath

On Coeurl The blessed fletching is 585k. etc etc

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Ok, 1, something is terribly wrong with the prices of mats on your server. Is literally nobody doing diadem there?

2. how the fuck do you NQ a one star. The very idea is just baffling.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Ok, 1, something is terribly wrong with the prices of mats on your server. Is literally nobody doing diadem there?

2. how the fuck do you NQ a one star. The very idea is just baffling.

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They don't like gathering in diadem.

Like I said they don't know decent rotations.

On Phoenix:
Kingcake 450k
Dispelling Arrow 450k
Adamantite Francesca 500k
Titanium Alloy Mirror 630k

my frd said the whole 16 of them wud cost around 50 millions, i don't wnna live on this server anymore....

Best time to go into Diadem with a mixture of fighter/gatherer and farm the lights out of matz. $$$$

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Originally Posted by Immut

Ok, 1, something is terribly wrong with the prices of mats on your server. Is literally nobody doing diadem there?

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There's a huge issue with Diadem gathering on Coeurl. Pterodactyls were still 30k each prior to patch 3.05 and the market could only support 4 regular crafters/buyers max (15-30k each when there were only really 2 buyers on the market). On certain days, I bought up to 60 pterodactyls wiping out 80% of the supply on the market. It would also take days for the market to replenish itself.

Right now, pterodactyls are 70k, so a lot of the LTW sky pirate gear are either being sold at cost or even below cost. Guess they might not be restocked anytime soon unless the situation changes.