3.15 relics...

71 crit on DRK....glorious.

People here complaining about the stats need to realize that this stats are perfectly valid once you take into consideration the other i210 options.

The "Bad" relics are only so because these classes already have good Upgraded Eso/Gordian weapon.

BLM's get CRIT/DET on their relic, because their alternatives already have CRIT/SS and DET/SS combo.
NIN's get SS/DET on their Relic, because their alternatives already have CRIT/DET and CRIT/SS.
DRG's get SS/DET on their relic, because therr alternatives already have CRIT/DET and CRIT/SS.
PLD already has a CRIT/DET option.
SMN same deal
etc

On the other hand, classes with shitty Gordian/Eso get amazing Relics. WAR, DRK and SCH come to mind.

And oh yeah.

I was hoping so hard the NIN weapon would be named Kannagi. I can't believe they actually did it. /cry

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Originally Posted by Kyros

People here complaining about the stats need to realize that this stats are perfectly valid once you take into consideration the other i210 options.

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In other words there is a crap stats quota in place?

You know, when you put it like that, I'm "really" glad there are so little options. Next PLDS will get a spell speed weapon because all other stats have already been used *shiver*

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

wow that shield though!

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That lolparry has you that excited?

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Originally Posted by Alahra

And oh yeah.

I was hoping so hard the NIN weapon would be named Kannagi. I can't believe they actually did it. /cry

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Ninja's quite literally get an Anime weapon.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

In other words there is a crap stats quota in place?

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It's not so much that as they don't tend to double up a particular stat pairing when there are multiple options for an item slot at a particular item level. Since there's usually only one "good" combination for each class, and we had two i210 weapons already, some of them were bound to be poorly itemized. They also have moved away from putting Accuracy on weapons, so there were fewer possible combinations.

I'd be very surprised if we're not able to customize them for the next stage.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

Before you'll go ahead and tell me the first step of the 2.x relic. Let me remind you that relic was already available when 2.0 was released. We waited about 5-6 months for this. The very first step of the 2.x relic was also the most fun one. You weren't spending weeks hunting atmas on zones. You were killing content that mattered at the time.

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It was actually 1 1/2 years after 1.0 launch. There was no new relic at 2.0 launch (except if you mean the Zenith upgrade)

About the fun content, many people gave it up after 1 week of Hamlet Defense without gettin a beastmen seal and only started it again after the grind got nerfed down in 2.0. Also, i wish SE would have not removed Ifrit (extreme) from the questline.

Original (not nerfed) 1.0 relic grind:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post745711

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Ninja's quite literally get an Anime weapon.

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I'm not familiar with the anime connection personally. Kannagi was the final form of NIN's Empyrean weapon in FFXI.

Seems there are many people who thought relic weapon meant some kind of a god tier weapon that is always the best-in-slot option in any scenario. Relic weapons were never meant to be the best weapons, just alternative for those people who cannot clear the hardest content of the game for the top tier weapons. The stats of the upcoming tier of relics are purely based on combinations not already available on other item level 210 weapons. Relic weapons, even ones without optimal stats are still the best weapons for majority of the player base for now.

Wow, I need more det but God the Skill Speed on that spear.

On the bright side, It is King Arthur's Spear. Hope.it looks cool.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

On the other hand, classes with shitty Gordian/Eso get amazing Relics. WAR, DRK and SCH come to mind.

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Well I am happy to get crit on SCH but my second job is WAR.. I'll lose a crapton of SKS and I need actually still a tad more than I have with my latency (have 590 need 600 to get that additional skill in zerk on a relyable basis) :(
But overall agreed its options but in the end the relic will probably be easier to obtain than any other 210 as those atm locked behind A4S (thinking of casuals)

Anyone else feel like the BLM and WHM weapons should have swapped in appearance? Maybe just me. I don't like mine. :(

actually relic weps had the potential to be bis if you spent a tone on melding the relic scroll.

cause these stats are preset we wont have the scroll step yet and I think that is to come eventually.

Why because atm its an incentive to get a 210 wep for the non raiders and if you only gave the relics
STR/VIT well the 2 main stats of each class it would be a pain fateing lv 50+ fates with only 2 stats.

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Originally Posted by Veerne

Seems there are many people who thought relic weapon meant some kind of a god tier weapon that is always the best-in-slot option in any scenario. Relic weapons were never meant to be the best weapons, just alternative for those people who cannot clear the hardest content of the game for the top tier weapons. The stats of the upcoming tier of relics are purely based on combinations not already available on other item level 210 weapons. Relic weapons, even ones without optimal stats are still the best weapons for majority of the player base for now.

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Relic are actually BiS with some update. You gain more stats points and you can choose them (Zeta).

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Wow, I need more det but God the Skill Speed on that spear.

On the bright side, It is King Arthur's Spear. Hope.it looks cool.

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King Arthur has a spear o.O

It took ages before the 2.0 relic could be customized and IIRC the 2.0 relic wasn't BiS until the end of Novus and again at Zeta.

Oh goody. All the cheaters get to bot the relic again while legit players have to go through hell. I can already see the bot trains whoo.

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Originally Posted by hagare

King Arthur has a spear o.O

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yes, but he did not regularly use it.

he also had a dagger.

relic was available in 2.0, however it's stats were not alterable until near the end of 2.3. In addition, the relic is always a few steps behind the top tier until the end of a patch cycle.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

Side note : BLM weapon looks like a WHM cane. It's ugly on a BLM imho. I ain't an angel of life. I am the bringer of death :\

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I feel like they are mixed up as well. :\ I actually want that winged thing for my lil' WHM.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Oh goody. All the cheaters get to bot the relic again while legit players have to go through hell. I can already see the bot trains whoo.

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What is this supposed to mean, exactly?

Don't worry.. the dragoon weapon makes no sense at all. You need diadem lucky crit rolls to even justify using this piece of virtual fantasy garbage lol.. go ahead.. rearrange the armour you're wearing.. you will never make up for the lost eso dmg, even after you are 50 acc above acc cap lol... absolute shit and a clear replica of the zeta weapon they just peeled the pretty petals off the end of the spear. Yes, I have cleared a4s and have 210.. but now I have no reason to give them money at all lol... most of us don't, tbh. This is their hold me over.. more snow cloak etc.. for garbage item! GG!! 6 months without a true progression raid.. terrible itemization (expected because SE is as predictable as looking at current secondary stat combos for ilvl prior to a new one being added). I feel for ninja too, but at least their ss wasn't AS high lmao.. that spear = 700+ ss already running out of tp something fierce in a4s with 648ss.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

What is this supposed to mean, exactly?

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I think they're upset that there are players who are likely going to just bot FATEs for atma drops and judging by SE's track record of N.Thanalan nothing will really be done about it?

/shrug

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

yes, but he did not regularly use it.

he also had a dagger.



relic was available in 2.0, however it's stats were not alterable until near the end of 2.3. In addition, the relic is always a few steps behind the top tier until the end of a patch cycle.

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Ho ho.
I guess they're saving gungnir for something else sigh....

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Originally Posted by Kyros

The "Bad" relics are only so because these classes already have good Upgraded Eso/Gordian weapon.

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Then maybe they should have spent all those months thinking about ways to make all the alternatives viable instead of releasing junk.

But that would require putting some thought into it instead of rolling a dice to determine stats and we can't have that, they're working so hard already changing the text quests from 2.0 and reskinning old models.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

People here complaining about the stats need to realize that this stats are perfectly valid once you take into consideration the other i210 options.

The "Bad" relics are only so because these classes already have good Upgraded Eso/Gordian weapon.

BLM's get CRIT/DET on their relic, because their alternatives already have CRIT/SS and DET/SS combo.
NIN's get SS/DET on their Relic, because their alternatives already have CRIT/DET and CRIT/SS.
DRG's get SS/DET on their relic, because therr alternatives already have CRIT/DET and CRIT/SS.
PLD already has a CRIT/DET option.
SMN same deal
etc

On the other hand, classes with shitty Gordian/Eso get amazing Relics. WAR, DRK and SCH come to mind.

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Copying a reply I made on a BLM thread.

There is no reason we shouldn't be allowed to have the stats we want. If SE didn't want us to have the stats we wanted, they wouldn't have allowed us to have the stats we wanted in 2.x to begin with. You can't go ahead and give a player an ability for his relic and strip this ability from the player right away. We didn't got this weapon for the first 5-6 months of 3.x

Relic is meant to be an alternative and this is fine. Except, like I previously mentioned, we didn't have a relic for the first 5-6 months. It is likely when 3.2 is release a new 220 weapons with a new currency will be here. We'll have a new Primal with iLevel 215 weapon. Its already gonna be obsolete lol.

The message I got and I am sure most players got when SE introduce relics and allowed us to customize it was this relic weapon, the only purple item in the game represents you and walks with you the entire gameplay. You are not forced to mix-max a relic. You can go ahead and put 40% Crit, 30% Speed and 30% Det if you want. People that say Relic weapons aren't meant to be BiS are correct. You are wrong to think Relic isn't meant to be built like you wish and represent you. Be a Parry WHM for the cares I have!

This is another failure SE made imho. Another failure for all the failures they've made since 3.x. They drastically changed the gameplay and mentality of the game between 2.x and 3.x and its hurting to see that.

why is so hard to open a menu after finishing the quest and let players choose the stats? , add a item to being able to change stats later on and profit....

I've seen a few people mention adding accuracy on these and such.

I can say with almost complete certainty that these relics don't have accuracy and won't be able to add it if we get to customize it. There was a video at one point where the devs said that weapons will no longer have accuracy. It was done so you don't have to replace some armor just cause you got a nice weapon that had accuracy. I don't remember which live letter or video it was however.

Maybe someone with a better memory can quote it for us. I don't really have a memory for dates or video numbers.

Now it's time to take a long break again. This game keeps screwing the players over and over.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

There is no reason we shouldn't be allowed to have the stats we want. If they didn't want us to have the stats we wanted, they wouldn't have allowed us to have the stats we wanted in 2.x. You can't go ahead and give a player an ability for his relic and strip this ability from the player.

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2.x relic wasn't customizable until the Alexandrite stage.
I'm sure the 3.x relic will be able to be customized later on.

As a DEV you don't give out all the goods at the start.

I really had to chuckle about the atma grind 2.0 though. So .... unimaginative.
Guess they are reeeallly desperate for FATE participants.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

It was done so you don't have to replace some armor just cause you got a nice weapon that had accuracy.

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Lol this is bull. Accuracy serves no purpose to the players, it's yet another gear check. If they had us in mind, they would have gotten rid of it. You can bet they stopped putting acc so it takes longer to get the proper gear they want you to have to pass the dps checks (and healers can't help as much).

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Originally Posted by Rocond

That lolparry has you that excited?

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I doubt. But it will be a nice Glamor for the Artefact Shield. As for the Sword, I will gladly take the Relic one as the Artefact Sword has Parry that is even more wasted than SS.
At least until we see that our DMG will scale from Parry better than from STR. :D

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Originally Posted by Moqi

Then maybe they should have spent all those months thinking about ways to make all the alternatives viable instead of releasing junk.

But that would require putting some thought into it instead of rolling a dice to determine stats and we can't have that, they're working so hard already changing the text quests from 2.0 and reskinning old models.

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So you want a copy of your BiS Weapon, because you will not get a better ilvl that is currently in Alexander Savage?
You have the choise of 4 Engame Weapons:

- ThordanEX Weapon if you are good enough for it.
- Alexander Savage Weapon if you are good enough for it.
- Artefact Upgrade if you are good enough for Alexander Savage.
- Relic Quest if you can't beat the other content.

This absolute QQ about the Relic Weapon makes me sick. Don't cry like a little 4 years old girl that don't get it's free candy.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

So taking away what you gave to your players is fine? This is insulting your community.

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They are taking nothing away from the player.
This Quest is about obtaining a new Weapon. Be happy to get it. Anything else will come in future updates.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

2.x relic wasn't customizable until the Alexandrite stage.
I'm sure the 3.x relic will be able to be customized later on.

As a DEV you don't give out all the goods at the start.

I really had to chuckle about the atma grind 2.0 though. So .... unimaginative.
Guess they are reeeallly desperate for FATE participants.

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So taking away what you gave to your players is fine? This is insulting your community.

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Originally Posted by Ryel

I think they're upset that there are players who are likely going to just bot FATEs for atma drops and judging by SE's track record of N.Thanalan nothing will really be done about it?

/shrug

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The sad part is: I can't even blame them, really. This one is definitely on SE.

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Originally Posted by Aikaal

So taking away what you gave to your players is fine?

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Yes it is perfectly fine in cyclical MMOs and happens on a lot of other levels as well.
Hint: gear resets every expansion, nullifying your "hard work".

Also. if the relic were customizable AND had the same item level as the best raid weapons it would automatically be BiS and thus MANDATORY for every half serious raider.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why Devs might be reluctant to give the player that kind of freedom in the initial stages.

Why? 77 skill speed on mch?

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Originally Posted by SpecialKK

Why? 77 skill speed on mch?

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Because you need to hit faster, dont ask, SE devs know what they are doing.

Well 2.X Crit and determination was better for blm but HW really it's better ss>crit>other stats, so to see no ss, wth :(

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Yes it is perfectly fine in cyclical MMOs and happens on a lot of other levels as well.
Hint: gear resets every expansion, nullifying your "hard work".

Also. if the relic were customizable AND had the same item level as the best raid weapons it would automatically be BiS and thus MANDATORY for every half serious raider.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see why Devs might be reluctant to give the player that kind of freedom in the initial stages.

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I'll give you a hint then. For BLM and PLD at least that have 210 weapons. The Relic is 100% useless if you go for the stats only. Quite unfair. You also forgot my argument SE said Relic is an item that is suppose to follow you during all of your adventure. It's not following me at all lol. They made the decision to allow customization in 2.x on relic. Changing back and forth your stats wasn't free also, it was extra grinding.

Unfortunately for you, it was the case in 2.4. You could go with a 115 Nexus with the stats of your choice. You don't strip a feature that was given to you.

Relic in 3.x is also not the same in 2.x. You fail again to understand my point. Relic was available at launch in 2.x. The Relic grind to iLevel 90 was actually fun. Raid weapons ended up being slightly better than Relic. You couldn't custom it at the beginning, the feature was not there. When they introduced Atmas and the scroll system you could custom.

What happened in 3.0? Relic wasn't available. We can stop comparing there. Some players already have iLevel 210 weapons. in 2.0 nobody had an iLevel 90 weapon. As a matter of fact, the only iLevel 90 weapon was the relic. Players didn't had a choice. Now we do have a choice. We have 3 different iLevel 210 available. There is no reason not to keep the feature. They had the possibility at 3.0 to have the relic grind start and we'd have an iLevel 200 Relic with no customization. Then have the iLevel 210 Relic with the stats you want but they didn't! You can't giving the same excuse that you didn't have enough time to implement it. This is a stupid logic.

So happy to see ss in SMN's book, they are doing it right, at keast for me. But the book shape though, oh well.