Flying... wow, is it bad

I really don't think I'd enjoy Heavensward without it. Trying to walk through the zones would boil my pee... As for Azys Lla - I'd never set foot there again unless a question required it. It'd be like Sylphlands Hard Mode. No.

I dont honestly know how you can have issues with the flying controls.............maybe you can explain a bit?

Troll thread??? OP has done there one post then haven't heard from them after.

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Originally Posted by Daenarys_Targaryen

Troll thread??? OP has done there one post then haven't heard from them after.

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Sorry, I don't hang on the forums very often. I've posted with some regularity recently, which has been rare for me (once a day, maybe)... I'm just not a forum person.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Rather basic flight controls found in the majority of games. The only thing I don't like is you can't look down at the ground without having to constantly adjust your altitude.

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And this is my chief complaint about the flying controls. On controller the right analog stick controls both directional navigation and camera view. I can only use World of Warcraft's flying as a proper example on how flying felt more fluid. (and it's been so long since I've played WoW I cannot recall how it worked only that it did) Switching out of legacy controls does help however I cannot use that when on the ground, I dislike it's camera rotation.

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Originally Posted by SnugglesD

Go try and do hunts in azys lla without flying. Go on. I'll just wait here for your findings.

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Right, it's not that flying isn't useful because it is 100% when a zone is designed with flying in mind. I quested on foot like everyone else in every Heavensward zone, and like every one else I thought the entire time, "man, I would really like to have flying right now". Each zone in Heavensward is designed with flying in mind. They feel big, they look good... while in the air. Questing til you got your aether currents on foot felt frustrating at best.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Why? Why impose your dislike on everyone by removing a feature a great many players enjoy.

You don't like it, then don't DO it.

If you don't need to fly, then don't, no one is making you, you can crawl along on the ground all you like.

Sure there are teleports for a reason, and flying is faster than a ground mount which is faster than walking, but Flying gives you a vastly different view of the world allowing you to literally see the sights as you travel. Flying is simply another mode of travel, so sure, it can be boiled down to nuts and bolts as nothing more than a slower way of getting from A to B than say, teleport.

On the other hand, what's wrong with having flight in the game simply for players to enjoy?

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Sorry. Personal opinion and all that. I'm allowed to dislike the controls of the game, and design of features around it. I'm also allowed to publicly announce it provided I follow the ToS of the forum. (Though I will agree I should have done so with grater explanation)

UPDATE: I did try flying with a keyboard and mouse. (felt weird to play a game that way.. for me at least, I know PC gaming is the "master race" but whatever...) and it was pretty good, very natural feeling. So, my chief complaint is controller use and flying. Still, dislike they design zones around flying. Okay, thanks for reading and responding.

At least on PC, the Flight controls in FF14 are pretty much exactly the same as the ones in WoW. Almost identical infact.

The issue you have with a controller is valid and is something that SE should take as feedback, but removal of flight because the controls on the controller are problematic seems somewhat extreme.

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Originally Posted by Mags

And this is my chief complaint about the flying controls. On controller the right analog stick controls both directional navigation and camera view. I can only use World of Warcraft's flying as a proper example on how flying felt more fluid. (and it's been so long since I've played WoW I cannot recall how it worked only that it did) Switching out of legacy controls does help however I cannot use that when on the ground, I dislike it's camera rotation.

UPDATE: I did try flying with a keyboard and mouse. (felt weird to play a game that way.. for me at least, I know PC gaming is the "master race" but whatever...) and it was pretty good, very natural feeling. So, my chief complaint is controller use and flying. Still, dislike they design zones around flying. Okay, thanks for reading and responding.

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then play with a M&K, kidding :p
you probably should've asked them to make a better control set up for the controller since your problem stems more from how it works on a controller.
I'm sure you'll like the world more when the controls are more fluid.

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Originally Posted by Mags

UPDATE: I did try flying with a keyboard and mouse. (felt weird to play a game that way.. for me at least, I know PC gaming is the "master race" but whatever...) and it was pretty good, very natural feeling. So, my chief complaint is controller use and flying. Still, dislike they design zones around flying. Okay, thanks for reading and responding.

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I'm a PS4 player, and I have absolutely no issues using the controller to fly. I personally like the flying controls in this game far better than I have in most games with flying of some sort or another that I've played. It's honestly a lot better in first person as well, though I rarely do that often.....

Its so simple, I don't see how it could be so troublesome to you. I have never tried its with MB and mouse, I do everything except type with a with my controller, and have never had trouble.

I do hope they keep flying in the future... I don't care for the bigger areas, but flying is fine.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I do hope they keep flying in the future... I don't care for the bigger areas, but flying is fine.

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If anything, I wish they'd make flying "easier" to obtain. Yes, it was easy to obtain flying but "exploring" the areas for aethercurrents felt everything but "fun" to do. Just give us a quest next time or make it like in most games: you fly at cap and "GG"

PS: Oh and yes this is personal opinion too but apparently everything that's against the game is considered trolling so, just putting that there to say that I'm being serious.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

On consoles, if you turn on autorun (L1+Left Stick), and then try to pan camera, your mount will turn to that direction (On legacy controls at least).

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Turn on mouse mode (L1 + R3)

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Originally Posted by Mags

Sorry. Personal opinion and all that. I'm allowed to dislike the controls of the game, and design of features around it. I'm also allowed to publicly announce it provided I follow the ToS of the forum. (Though I will agree I should have done so with grater explanation)

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Hello? Can you read? They didn't take issue with you disliking it or posting it, just that it's idiotic to ask for its removal just because you somehow had a control setup that was *that* bad.

I play with controller and find flying extremely easy.. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.

What an odd request.

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Originally Posted by Voltyblast

If anything, I wish they'd make flying "easier" to obtain. Yes, it was easy to obtain flying but "exploring" the areas for aether currents felt everything but "fun" to do. Just give us a quest next time or make it like in most games: you fly at cap and "GG"

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It was pretty tedious... but after unlocking flying with four characters, I'm pretty over it. They at least bumped the quest currents up to the front of quest chains. I wish they'd get rid of the quest ones all together. I didn't mind searching for the currents, but having to do dungeons or quests I actually found more annoying.

I play with a controller and find it super easy to use. double tap jump and hold it to go up and descend button to go down. Don't know wtf else you want to make it easier. You can even dive bomb with left stick click to go straight down. And even move the camera up to fly up and move it down to go down. I dunno wtf you're using but it's super easy already with a controller.

I think OP mean the camera control. Looking around without changing direction or high.

How can you have trouble with the controls? O.o They're so simple a baby could do it.

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Originally Posted by Mags

I do hope they discontinue having us fly in future content with these controls. But really, even with desirable controls.. do we even really need it? Heavensward proved yes, yes we did because of the content and areas... but can we please get away from it if this is what we have to contend with?

Let it die with Heavensward, never continue it's need please.

UPDATE: I've explored flying with a keyboard and mouse and the controls of flying are fine, but with a controller they are pretty bad and not enjoyable. Also other reasons I dislike flying still stand, such as zone design which I did elaborate on later in this thread. (Sorry for going into detail originally)

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Originally Posted by Ruri

I play with controller and find flying extremely easy.. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong.

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Me too. Not sure how anyone could have trouble with it unless they've never played a video game in their entire life.

Nitpicking...Wow is it bad.

Flying in this game is stupidly easy, even on controller. I've never once had any issues with it.

Its probably the only good thing from HW that isn`t the storyline, and about that im not even sure anymore. But is the only one feature that sets HW appart from 2.0. And is a good one, i mean, it works, is flying and it works.

Most people in my FC play with controllers and nobody's had issues with flying.

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Originally Posted by Mags

I do hope they discontinue having us fly in future content with these controls.

Let it die with Heavensward, never continue it's need please.

UPDATE: I've explored flying with a keyboard and mouse and the controls of flying are fine, but with a controller they are pretty bad and not enjoyable.

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You're doing something seriously wrong because I also play on a controller and the controls are smooth as butter. All you do is press triangle to begin flying, and everything else can be done with the left and right analog sticks. Move left one forward to accelerate, and use right to go up, down, left, right and anywhere in between. You can fly without ever even having to use triangle to ascend, or circle to descend. And pressing R3 will cause mount to land, though you can interupt this process if desired, but personally I never even use R3 to land. I just steer towards the ground.

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Originally Posted by Mags

And this is my chief complaint about the flying controls. On controller the right analog stick controls both directional navigation and camera view. I can only use World of Warcraft's flying as a proper example on how flying felt more fluid. (and it's been so long since I've played WoW I cannot recall how it worked only that it did) Switching out of legacy controls does help however I cannot use that when on the ground, I dislike it's camera rotation.

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You can use the cam to look around while flying. Let go of the acceleration, then look around with right stick.

Am I the only one who spent 30 minutes flying all over Azys Lla once the wind currents were unlocked with the new mount we got? So to answer your question OP, I really love flying and hope it stays (As long as the maps are made well enough for flying).

I have one problem with flying.

No aerial dogfighting or ground assault.

I feel the need... the need for speed. Going for arrow lock. I've got harp! Fox 1 Fox 1 charm away!

I use MKB and found flying instantly easy and accessible the moment I unlocked the ability. It actually feels better than I expected it to. That said, I do hope SE doesn't feel it necessary to add it to every zone they create from now on. I would like it to be added to at least some of the older zones though and it would be a solid way to add new areas and content without the need for creating entirely new zones. Overall, flying is very good.

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Originally Posted by Mags

I do hope they discontinue having us fly in future content with these controls. But really, even with desirable controls.. do we even really need it? Heavensward proved yes, yes we did because of the content and areas... but can we please get away from it if this is what we have to contend with?

Let it die with Heavensward, never continue it's need please.

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I find the flying pretty intuitive.

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Originally Posted by Mags

I've explored flying with a keyboard and mouse and the controls of flying are fine, but with a controller they are pretty bad and not enjoyable. Also other reasons I dislike flying still stand, such as zone design which I did elaborate on later in this thread. (Sorry for going into detail originally)

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Are you playing with your feet?

Let me get this straight: you dont like flying, so you feel they should delete flying from the game.

Your opinion is now invalid.

Maybe I dont like call of duty. Maybe I dont like Megaman. Does that mean that they should be removed from existance because i tried it and didnt like it? That all the call of duty fans and megaman fans no longer get to own the games, the merchandise, and so on?

You dont remove content because someone dislikes it. You might change it a bit, but you dont delete the content. For some people, its their favorite thing.

I never had an issue with flying? Are the controls really that bad for some people? Even on the default it works perfectly fine... or is there something i'm missing? :eek:

I play on PS4 and the controls are just perfect, I do love flying mounts and I know many people do too. Like Charlotte Elise said, I hate crafting but not because of that Im going to ask SE to removed it because I know that many people like it, you must have an awful controller.

I want this to be the end of it.

(but this thread was on the third page, it was dying!)

Yes, but I wanted to voice my final thought as OP.

It's quite clear from the forum perspective that flying is the best thing since sliced bread. Great. I still dislike it as a whole. I dislike the controls on the controller.

"But it's not hard to do?! Are you suffering from a brain injury?!?"

I know it is not hard. I do not find it hard to fly. I find it uncomfortable when using the controller. That's it.

My other gripe is the design of zones around flying. I dislike it because it only facilitates the need for flying. The new zones look great. They are vast. They are frustrating to do without flying.

I want to point out this post about flying in another MMO, one that FFXIV developers heavy look at.

http://massivelyop.com/2015/04/02/wo...nt-be-removed/

Look, when you design around the need to fly, then you have no other option. Your point that "just don't fly and use your ground mounts" is irrelevant. I NEED to fly if I am to keep up. If I personally dislike it, and I do, I still NEED to do it in order to not slow down my game time ten fold.

Here it is folks. PERSONAL OPINION. I don't like it. I don't want it. I am allowed to say it.Now, let this thread die. I requested it closed a day ago without response. I love you all, you my wonderful gamers of this beautiful game. We just agree to disagree on this subject.

Cheers!

I don't think people are against your personal opinion. They are against you inappropriate way to state your idea. I know everyone want to put their idea as if this was a newspaper and pass it as facts, bit that is not correct. Of you would have say this is why I can't tolerate flying and don't say they should eradicate it(reasons= cuz I, and considerate for WE, don't like it), people would have been more considerate. I like flying, and I don't like other aspects in game, but I have many other mmos and they all f*** up so I prefer to see and enjoy the good part AND when there is survey for me to do I ll do it cuz that will increase my chance to see something that I would like I game. Although i prefer to jsut send an email to them cuz forums is mostly just used by members and you will find members replying and not a lot of gms reading and sending a feed back to the dev team.