These are the problems I tried to convey over two months ago coming home to roost. Here we are, losing members of the community who are more valuable than single players. The OP is a person who puts work into their class to such an extent that they become a wealth of knowledge for many other BLMs. Now we risk losing players like this, and for what? Participation medals? People need to wake up. There is a reason the best rewards always comes from the hardest content and undermining that principle is causing FFXIV's end game to collapse.
How many more vacant servers, numerous threads riddled with discontent, stagnating (and even decreasing) activity numbers, and the lack of new characters do you guys have to see before you understand that this game is not impervious to damage from mistakes made in development?
Raiders should not care about gear? Well, let me ask, why do casual care so much? Does having a permanent 10 ilvl gap between raiding gear and non-raiding gear bug you that much? Does the notion of risk vs reward even mean anything to you? Most players can't even perform their rotations and you're worried about having better gear than raiders?
and nothing of value was lostQuote:
Originally Posted by SonKevin
No, no, no! Let me explain why that logic is flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aomine1992
Unless you were a world class raider, most players only had access to the best gear for a month or two. The more general raiding populous was clearing a3s around august and September. For a4s, only the raiding elite had access to that gear (until the thordan weapons).
Most raiders barely had a chance to appreciate their gear before it was invalidated. Also, if you're going to say that they still technically had access even if they had not killed the bosses yet, the same point can be made about the entire game population having access to alex savage.
Diadem and Savage - I can't deal with it anymore
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11-27-2015, 04:21 PMzosia
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11-27-2015, 04:56 PMTakfloyd
OP is 100% correct on all points. Square Enix has dropped the ball in multiple ways here. I don't need to reiterate what he said.
I will add however that nothing was EVER going to live up to Coil no matter what, so people's expectations shouldn't have been set that high. Coil had the benefit of riding on an insane amount of hype that carried over from all the way back in 1.X - the End of an Era trailer sold the game to a large amount of people. When you finally entered, you felt like this is what every moment you've spent on the game was preparing you for. It will never be topped.
Still, that's not an excuse for having a shoddy endgame now. Let's not jump to conclusions until the next Alexander raid comes out though - maybe they'll have learned from their mistakes. -
11-27-2015, 05:05 PMAomine1992This is the sad part casual folks did not complain once about needing the top gear it's the raiders complaining about casuals having access to it...Quote:
Originally Posted by zosia
Alex savage is stupid and always has been but you guys chose to waste your time doing it for obviously the gear since no one has said ooo the story line is awesome >_> I am not casual and I enjoy raids but I do not feel for ppl like OP who are throwing a fit and trying to thwart content that other players seem to like...
Complain about current raiding which sucks but don't drag content for others down in the process... -
11-27-2015, 05:12 PMzosiaExactly what can we do to make it better? The one thing players want the most, you are not willing to concede. People want the best rewards to come from the hardest content. Diadem and Void ark would still be just as relevant as they are now if the only gear that was obtainable from them was ilvl 200.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aomine1992
It's fine, this game only does well in the vacuum left by the golden era of wow. Lets see how well this game holds up when a few new MMO's hit the scene. People like the OP, many others in this thread, and myself are all growing tired of the lack of reasonable carrots on the end of the raiding stick. There will be greener pastures and you guys will have this game all to yourselves when the last modicum of talent leaves this end game wasteland. -
11-27-2015, 05:13 PMruskieTrue. You shouldn't compare it like that. So let's compare it to bcob alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
Enter Turn 1 - so and so many yalms underground:
giant cavernous cave system with one of bahamut's wings sprawling over it crystalized, boss splits, getting damage stacks over time if not doing the mechanics properly
Enter Turn 2 - so and so many yalms underground:
a collection of ADS systems in a constant in combat gauntlet with a make your own finall ads from killing specific ones
Enter Turn 3 - so and so many yalms underground:
ik, ik it has no real reward, it's just a death race but still, it's HUGE, you are jumping down an inside of spaceship engine!!!
Enter Turn 4 - so and so many yalms underground:
Ridding down a makeshift elevator from a drive cilynder.
Enter Turn 5 - so and so many yalms underground:
First time I entered this - I was dizzy and lost - I didn't see anyone on the map since they all ran off, the scale of it all, how insignificant my character looked, and then noticing what we were fighting on - that's a frigging hand!
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Alex(s)
Floor 1:
claustrophobic, steampunky themed something or other with a striking dummy dps check that you need to do each time you run out of time or someone rqs and you need to requeue in - only to then be greeted by... an I have a twin robot, robot - wait didn't we see this before? But ok I can live with the whole idea that the instance should feel oppressive etc... at least it's a theme.
Floor 2:
erm did we hook a wrong turn and ended up in brayflox longstop hm or something? at least it's not as claustrophobic as floor 1.
Floor 3:
arguably one of the more interesting fights and I'd say locations as well - at least in normal you get to explore it a bit. It has a bit more of that coil feel - my own experience in savage is limited up to hands in a training run but still even that mechanic is interesting.
Floor 4:
I have no frigging idea where in this thing I am or what this thing is even... it has legs... it somehow sucks people up randomly - also where are these mechanical dolls coming from? Suddenly they just materialize there I mean with the boss name manipulator it could idk maybe manipulate some cranes and bring them in that way.
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11-27-2015, 05:17 PMruskieIt doesn't need to top it but it should be at least on the scale. I rewatched all the coil and all the alex cutscenes a while ago in one sitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Takfloyd
Adding it all up was like 1.5h worth of coil in duty only cutscenes - I didn't even check if there was anything out of duty under quests, Alex? Meh not a whole lot at all.... and what is there was disapointing. -
11-27-2015, 05:22 PMAomine1992Savage should have been completely new not rehashes to start lol just awful and the story needs a major overhaul...Quote:
Originally Posted by zosia
Yea diadem and VA will still be relevant but who cares raiding is suppose to be about the challenge and achievement anyways not just some gear that you really don't need I mean come on what content would require ilvl 215 gear currently lol we already got tanks doing 10k critz we don't wanna over do it...but the point is I think ppl thoughts are in the wrong place God forbid my casual friend has a 210 wep :O -
11-27-2015, 05:30 PMDyvidWell as one of those dirty dirty casual, all I wanted was Alex story and to rock castle gear. In fact I was worried when they dropped i200 gear weeks after Alex and rightfully so because they are over saturating with gear but without true horizontal progression they can only go up. Ideally your BiS should have needed 2 items from Alex, 2 from Void, 2 from Diadem, and maybe accessories from vendor. You should never give raid gear from non raid gear content until after new Savage is released. Of course I think I said this with Hunts too.Quote:
Originally Posted by zosia
On the flip side though shouldn't you be asking for Diadem Savage or something similar for some hard core raiding? Something to give raiders more BiS options?
I'm sorry but no, I would say the first binding coil and Alex are on par in the story department because it's setting up the narrative, nothing more. As for size and scope, well devs get mixed messages on this one. We can say we want this grand dungeon crawlers for raids but people go out of their way to skip through everything to get from one boss to the next. Speed runs, sack pulls, The Praetorium; if players can skip it they will. Only option I can counter to this is just link all the savages into one long run that saves your place at each boss once you get there but I know the community would scream bloody murder.Quote:
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11-27-2015, 05:48 PMzosiaIf alex savage was different, then we have the same issue of casuals *needing* to see the story. If you don't change it enough, it will be just as boring as this 1st alex raid tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aomine1992
No, the value of raiding does not have a universal meaning. It different from raider to raider. Some people like the gear rewards. It a fairly common opinion among raiders.
I never called you dirty. Why even insinuate that I did?Quote:
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11-27-2015, 05:54 PMArchaellI wonder how hard would it be to introduce "storytelling". Basically an option to see cutscenes of another character. That way the casuals could see the story without having to step in the content.Quote:
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11-27-2015, 05:54 PMBrian_
I never saw the issue with casuals wanting to see the story. If you want a reward, then maybe you should try and earn it? If it's too hard for you, then take Yoshida's advice and git gud. The more reasons for people to clear end-game content, the higher the likelihood that a casual fan will devote the time in-game needed to reach that point.
The devs used to talk about how you needed to design content in a way that converts casual players into core players. You needed to establish a path of progression that hooked people.
3.0 is the opposite of that. There is a massive rift between casual and hard-core content and no plausible path of progression. -
11-27-2015, 06:02 PMFeliAikoCoil's story wasn't that good tbh, but it had the power of the opening cutscene as a backdrop so it was enough to build something around. Likewise Void Ark's story is pretty simple but it has the War of the Magi as a backdrop so it doesn't just feel like it's appeared out of nowhere, but is part of this world's history.Quote:
I will add however that nothing was EVER going to live up to Coil no matter what, so people's expectations shouldn't have been set that high.
Alex, meanwhile, literally just appears on the scene and we're told how he's a threat while doing nothing to demonstrate such. Then the story itself can't decide whether it should be comedic (Illuminati) or serious (scar-girl). -
11-27-2015, 06:10 PMCheraa
Actually Alex can't do anything, because it is still mostly inactive. The threat comes from the Goblins that want to activate Alexander, which would end an a massive Wasteland.
As a player who didn't played Coil, because I just started with Heavensward, I really liked the begining of the story for Alexander.
Even though the End of Part 1 could have been more intense, like Void Ark. That was done very well to get you hyped for Void Ark Part 2. -
11-27-2015, 06:11 PMZeyphr_Darkshadow
Agreed OP.
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11-27-2015, 06:55 PMMiscreant
I haven't really got anything I want to add to the conversation that hasn't already been said, I just want to say that I share the same point of view as the OP and completely agree with what he has said.
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11-27-2015, 08:26 PMZazriel
Have people forgot the first 5 turns of coil only dropped i90 gear and the weapon from t5 was i90 and was buffed to i95 to appease the raiders. 3.1 is a chance for non raiders to experience high item level and gear alts. Also I primarily raided at launch and I can tell you from my experience a lot of endgame raiders clear content and unsubscribe. So many of my raiding fcs where ghostowns after we cleared content. I have found the casual to semi hardcore raiders are way more loyal to this game and maintain subscribtion. Also I think its a good point that SE gives raiders 5-6 months to show off their gear. At some point there has to be a balance and the game has a whole seems less toxic in between patches due to the fact engamers have moved on and unsubbed. Keep in mind its just my opinion and i know there are some generalizations. Lastly what this game could use is more high level gear obtained from questing and yes RNG in dungeons/instances.
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11-27-2015, 08:38 PMZazriel
Also id like to point out that I do think is was a mistake that VOID ARK only has i200 gear? Makes me think they meant to release it earlier and had some issues with it.
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11-27-2015, 09:05 PMDaenarys_Targaryen
Void Ark gear being ilv 200 is exactly what they want. Its always been like that to have the 24-man raid gear 10ilv lower then the current top tier raid gear.
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11-27-2015, 09:06 PMFeliAiko
VA having i200 gear is intended design. It's the result of Crystal Tower failing to make 2.0 launch, so got held back until 2.1 where it dropped i80 gear. That then became the pattern for every odd-numbered patch, something I was hoping would end with 3.0, but to no avail.
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11-27-2015, 09:49 PMMiscreantFrom my experience this is completely wrong, all of the lead statics on my server are active all year round, after progression has finished they move on to sales, gearing alts etc, everyone has their friends that they play this game with and they aren't going to stop playing with them just because they have cleared the current raid tier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zazriel
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11-27-2015, 09:52 PMZazriel
You are very lucky, also I cannot disagree with your opinion has my opinion was a generalization.
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11-27-2015, 09:55 PMZephanoa
I respectfully disagree with the op, but am glad you are voicing your opinion. I am a casual and I value everyone's perspective.
I think everything is good as intended. It's looking like the term BIS is going the wayside and I for one am happy for it. I have to PUG things. I don't have the ability to run a static because of my job. Everyone should probably come to terms with the fact that the linear gear model is probably going away. I am pro-diadem and hope that it continues to evolve. I can bash my face in this content for an hour while reading a news article, or even working on something else. Not all content is going to make everyone happy, and that's the way it goes. Verminion, I am looking at you.
While I haven't done any Savage I will say that it's not properly incentivized. Picking up A1S right now would be purely for sport at this point. There is nothing that makes me want to clear any of that content. I don't think locking out story is the way to do it. I am not sold on BIS being the way to do it either. I think that if there were exclusive types of gear with special attributes/functions, along with titles and mounts it would be worth it. I mean after all I did run EX primals for ponies. Regarding the story, it's only the beginning. We are in uncharted territory and we don't understand Alexander and what the total goal is for it.
Yes 2.0 was recycled content because... it was. 1.0 happened, they had assets to use and needed to turn this thing around. 3.0 has been completely new with familiar elements. I hope that you can find a game that meets your expectations, but; I also wish you to keep an open mind. Best of luck! -
11-27-2015, 09:57 PMMiscreantThank you, obviously I can't speak for all servers, NA servers might approach the game differently to us in the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zazriel
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11-27-2015, 10:15 PMYasuhiro
All of OP's points are why I'm picking up Final Fantasy XI the only FF game I've not played and trying that out because I honestly don't feel like my rewards amount to anything.
At the moment I'm just going to casually log in to talk to friends but I think once FFXV hit and this game has not improved on the raiding scene then I'll give it a pass until I hear about 4.0, 5.0 whatever.0 turning the game around and making it feel rewarding to earn the best gear in the game and the bosses have interesting mechanics.
A1S, the boss now drops poop on the ground? That's Dante Must Die difficulty right there.
Vertical gear progression is boring, it becomes outdated and all it's good for is just to glamour.
I'm not to sure if this is a modern MMO trend, vertical gear that becomes obsolete only ever played this game, runescape and FFXI just recently
on a more postitive note, Alexander is my favorite Final Fantasy eidolon/summon/primal and he looks pretty cool in this game, I guess?
Only ever done A1S and A2S, can't say I'm as hardcore as OP, no way, but still I don't feel like I have anything to really look forward to.
Got a 210 piece from savage after hours of practice learning a fight? congrats to me, I could have spent 90 minutes in Diadem and got an even better piece! -
11-28-2015, 12:31 AMRiceisNice
Even if you were to compare Alexander to BCoB's story in a vaccum, it still comparably sucks. The environments are repetitive, there's no sense of mystery or tension when exploring it, the new characters have flat personalities, and the fact we go in and out of alexander inbetween floors in storyline wise makes a complete pacebreaker in the actual "raid" of Alexander.
The problem that the raiding community runs into IMO is that there's a huge discrepancy of difficulty between normal and savage, where the middleground (usually your typical static, like the ones that formed during 2.4 and onward for FCoB) have very little fights that are tuned for them. Alexander normal is so undertuned so that it can be cleared for DF, while Savage 3 and onward is comparable to that of savage (something that usually does not the very high-end of people unless they have nothing else to raid but to go onward, but at the time they had FCoB, not a DF-difficulty raid). There's no gradual increase of difficulty and there's no connection or a bridge between the two.
Diadem, I honestly got tired of it after the first week. It became a grindfest not only because it was the quickest way to get drops in there, but it was also practically the only thing going for it. I've mentioned it in other diadem topics, there's no sense of exploration (no treasure maps or actually tracking footprints) or cooperation of the combat and gathering classes due to some node locations being completely safe. They had a good concept with caves that bottleneck players because it prevents flying, but the caves have no high ranked mobs, unique treasures, or unique nodes. It has no payoff while being a higher time sink than exploring the open world.
There's so many things I feel they dropped the ball on with 3.0 (which includes the initial state of some combat jobs, their concepts, crafting in general, etc, and it's only gotten worse with 3.1 content and the long pause inbetween. -
11-28-2015, 02:12 AMEvtraiYou are giving too much discredit to Diablo III, at least in Diablo III the point of it is getting legendary/Set armor with unique stats, with the point of building a character on your desired custom build with weapons/armor with unique effects, to more efficiently run even harder dificulty tiers and escalate on leaderboards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikaal
Here in FFXIV you are just grinding gear with boring numeric values randomly hitting buttons while your group screams that they aren't getting credit, while you stare at some members be afk then get the gear you want to do absolutely nothing with it other than wait for 3.2 so the gear is replaced and get a new skin with new numeric values. -
11-28-2015, 02:17 AMDante_V
I agree that Savage is lackluster over all.
Disagree aboutr the loot stuff, the patch after the raid patch has ALWAYS been the "catch up" patch and has ALWAYS allowed for player to get raid level gear (but not all bis) so this really isn't anything different then what has been going on. -
11-28-2015, 02:29 AMRiceisNiceFor some people (including me), it's less about the catch up gear, but more about the content that gives the catch up. If Diadem required things like using notorious treasure maps gained from gathering, or exclusive cave/thick forest nodes (where you can't fly) that needed a party of combat to protect their gatherers, they'd be onto something here. But instead, you get combat gear from combat (IE: grinding and farming mobs) and gathering items from gathering. There's no relationship between the two unless the players themselves enforce it (and you'd have to go extremely out of your way for that because it's not required)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante_V
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11-28-2015, 02:30 AMzosiaThat's what has changed and this is the last straw for many people. Who wants to even bother stepping foot into a raid when you can do sky hunts for BiS by large margins? You only need to look at the other DF queue times to know that BiS in diadem was a HUGE mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante_V
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11-28-2015, 02:46 AMDante_V
I think the saddest part is that zerging diadem is more interesting than the Alexander raid. I personally have no issue with casual players rocking BiS. I do find that when equalization among ilvl occurs from the player base it really shows which people are actually skilled and which people were getting carried along by their team and gear. But as far as other player getting BiS i could care less. They are slowly removing the only aspects that made gearing fun (decently weighted secondaries, penta-melding main stats, str/vit balancing for tanks) to the point where it is becoming even more elementary than it was at the beginning.
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11-28-2015, 02:52 AMThirdChild_ZKI
Rice hits the nail on the head.
Last time I ran the Diadem with some friends, we entered just above the caves. I decided "let's brave the caves!" and we even got our own NM to spawn there, but given the. . . varied range of skill in our party, we couldn't take it down and ultimately had to give up to join the Cretaceous curb-stomp over with everyone else. Our attempt to try to venture out and explore was discouraged; partly by our inabilities, but largely by the want to make it all seem worthwhile.
And making it worthwhile is, or rather becomes subjective. I honestly want to be practicing Thordan Ex or leveling other jobs these days over the 90-minute Diadem detour, but that's because I don't NEED the gear there. I have a Pegasus already, and started gathering in 2.4, so I'm not yet able to enjoy Diadem that way. I was never crazy about hunts, and "sky hunts" (who called it that first? lol) aren't much better IMO. The gear is impressive enough at times, but I personally don't enjoy trading challenge for time and RNG to gear up.
Wishful Thinking: Paralelling the original relic quest beginning, if I had to perhaps EXPLORE the Diadem to find the weapon or perhaps components to construct/restore it (and this wouldn't simply amount to kill mobs til it appears), I'd actually enjoy that. A LOT. But I admit I'm already more than apprehensive about what the first step may entail, Diadem or not. -
11-28-2015, 02:54 AMRiceisNiceOur very first NM spawn on the day of patch was the meteorsaur, and it was inside the cave. This was at least 60 minutes into our very first exploration on normal mode, and we thought that the caves were one of the pre-quiresites because that's where we found our first "fresh tracks". Then cue the utter disappoint when the tracks were actually just from accumulating kills from the entire hour we spent running around, while going into the cave itself had nothing to do with it.Quote:
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11-28-2015, 03:02 AMThirdChild_ZKI
The caves were a let down for me, yet curiosity still kills the cat when it comes to it (pun partially intended).
Diadem could be much more than it is, and it would be unfair to place the blame solely on devs for how it was made, but I remember thinking on my 2nd or 3rd run, "why do I feel like I'm just hunting?" And my interest began to go downhill from there. Moreso when I'm forced to heal for my party or go on something other than my main.
Exploration, however much or little there is to be done, IS something some in the community enjoy. Or I wouldn't have run myself all the way to Mor Dhona back when I was level 20 on my first class. I would hope for massive changes to Diadem to encourage this, along with a balance of combat/gathering, but I'm well aware that's quite the pipe dream. -
11-28-2015, 03:22 AMKosmos992kI feel that the audience of FFXIV has in fact split into two parts, with one part racing away to keep up with the vertical progression and the playing more horizontally by working on their other jobs and classes, and other aspects of the game (not raiding). Of course there are a lot of players somewhere in-between this, but I think that broadly speaking, it's fair to say that this separation has occurred, and everyone just needs to stop trying to talk about the game and it's players as a single group. There is a wide spectrum of players in FFXIV now, and the extremes at eiter end are not representative of the whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fevelle
The vertical progression is fine for the raiding community, but there are specific concerns that raiders have that do need to be addressed. Catch-up patches (like 3.1) are rarely received well by raiders, because those patches seek to allow the more casual side of the players to catch up on gear, and raiders feel that their gear is being handed out like candy to others.
I think the solution is actually to slow the vertical progression a bit, make the actual top tier raids a little more complex and time consuming and gaining good gear more consequential. At the same time, add more mainstream dungeons and horizontal gearing. If the raid tier gear is ilvl 210, then why not allow the ilvl 180 and lower gear to spread more horizontally a patch after the top tier gear is released? It's not going to threaten raid gear, but it gives non-raiders more options and more things to strive for. The same is true of adding more 'mainstream' dungeons. Why not throw in a new lower level dungeon every now and again with a bit more story and lore to go with it? Broaden the base of the game for players that truly play this as a game.
But both ends of the spectrum of players must be catered to. Right now, although Raiders may feel that they are not getting the 'love' that they should from SE, it's undeniable that the game is fundamentally designed around vertical progression, and for players not keeping up with that progression, that content model' is kind of irrelevant. -
11-28-2015, 03:44 AMGehena
>I don't know any MMORPG that've allowed BiS to be outside of raiding content.
>FFXI
There are other MMO that supported a non-instance raid environment. MMO that are heavily invested in instanced raids/dungeons are repetitive and bland. I believe Diadem to be a step in the right direction for several reasons. Just because it's "easy" now doesn't deter the possible influence to the meta.
Given the amount of effort to coordinate and farm efficiently to the distance traveled/progression obstacles the content itself is very promising. They obviously didn't want people to grind out BiS from the last patch, but considering the amount of time and effort through pure RNG it really shouldn't act as a deterrent to players that strive for end-game. The gear is essentially useless unless its being put to use. -
11-28-2015, 03:47 AMIagainstiSo the same could be said for Living Liquid; therefore this convo is moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by FeliAiko
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11-28-2015, 03:48 AMIromi
I do (or DID) raiding..and have no problem with "casuals" getting gear. I feel the problem is just that Alexander is kind of boring, and the fights aren't anything special...it's not like coil at all :( I preferred the BCOB...and T9, FCOB was awesome too. Anyway, think this game could use a bit more horizontal progression, maybe the raid gear could have...oh...I dunno...stuff like Refresh +5, Enmity +10, Increased Duration of blah blah..you know...the stuff we had in 1.x?
Could still be the same ilvl...just more stat options. But yea...casual people deserve gear too, no matter how they decide to use it. When I was fully decked out in coil gear..I kinda stood around at my house in it because this game lacks lot of content....:/ So don't really see the issue here with that...the issue more so lies with a lack of content. Diadem though I enjoy...it is a start...^^ -
11-28-2015, 04:13 AMAikaalSo spamming Diadem 6 times a day to get 210 that are better than raid content is not repetitive? No? Okay. You don't need that BiS if you don't raid anyways.Quote:
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I'm sorry but I fail to understand your logic. If Diadem is the right way then there is no reason to raid anymore in this game and everybody that are looking for a game to raid will just look elsewhere. -
11-28-2015, 04:26 AMPence
In my head 3.1 is a car crash. It hit a deer. The deers name was Alexander: Savage. The deer is dead. And now all the vultures are swooping in and getting nice and fat for doing no work at all.
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11-28-2015, 05:21 AMGehenaYour argument is purely opinion, I'm giving you facts. it's an educated assumption from past games that have either introduced similar content or converted over to large scale PvE. Arguing that a grind is repetitive is irrelevant, what is an MMO if not a grind? Literally regurgitating the same content for the past two and a half years is stagnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aikaal
I'm not arguing that Diadem isn't currently a casual grind, but it directly resembles prior patches that influenced that overall quality of previous MMO. You can't compromise the quality of a game just to make it more "difficult", because at the end of the day the end-game community is minute in comparison to the concurrent player-base which in fact have a larger voice influencing the direction of the game.