This year is not the right time to end the no subscription period in my opinion

who said anything about purchasing a new client? that's not what I read.

I too will voice my support against the current payment schedule.

Yoshi has come out and said the game is 50% complete. That means either we get a 50% reduction in subscription costs, or we don't pay until they finish the "launch ready game."

How do you justify billing players for a game that is only 50% complete? Let alone, charge them MONTHLY.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

BLAH BLAH BLAH, my money this, my money that.

They need some kind of funds to bring out v2.0 but you people don't want to pay them for their hard work and the work that's ahead.

I give them my money, 12 a month? that's like 2 hours of minimum wage work. You people said the same thing, buying an 80 dollar collector's edition game for a game that wasn't finished, you got over it. You either quit or kept playing for free for a whole year.

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Stop acting like SE is flat broke, god forbid the men upstairs don't each pocket 10 million dollars this year right? Lets keep on supporting their failed model.

2.0 seems to be the intended product which I'd consider paying for, until then? helllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no. They can eat the loss that comes from failing, it's not my obligation to prop them up. If that means 2.0 never comes then I'm willing to live with it.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

How do you justify billing players for a game that is only 50% complete? Let alone, charge them MONTHLY.

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No MMORPG is ever complete. Welcome to the world of MMORPGs. If a game is fun, it's worth paying for. And FFXIV is way past the treshold of fun.

Don't like it? Don't pay, and don't play. No one holds you hostage. But demanding the game to be free until YOU decide is read is flat out laughable.

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I am willing to pay as the game is awesome.
SE FFXIV has my full support!!!!!!

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Same here!!!

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2.0 seems to be the intended product which I'd consider paying for, until then? helllllllllllllllllllllllllllll no. They can eat the loss that comes from failing, it's not my obligation to prop them up. If that means 2.0 never comes then I'm willing to live with it. ~ Chain

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There's some people who are willing to pay right now, and probably earlier than that. There's others who won't pay until they feel the product is 100% and then there's people who would never pay for it. Unfortunately they have to establish a bar for when they can start charging. At this point they believe in a month or two's time they have reached the completion level to, in their minds, charge people to play.

I agree with them and if you don't, then you'll probably not be posting in these forums for much longer. XD

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You should hold out until about mid-length next year, or even until 2.0, because it will be better for you to be "over the top" than to limp by with what exists right now.

Here are several things wrong with it:

You're allowing your remaining player base to go away with feelings of that it was getting there, but "I don't know". Then you have older players who want to check the game out in the future who wont, because they lost the trust in the company. These same people are the ones who talk about how they played FFXIV, how it was awful, and they will keep doing so all the way up to the new launch. Having it free is having a 25,000 person viral marketing base to market the game for Square. How much does it cost you? Just the cost of having the servers up - the same cost it's going to cost you whether or not they're playing.

Once you charge a subscription fee and the majority of the players of this leave the game, a good chunk of them are going to become established to another MMO, whether upcoming or already released. MMO's take a huge chunk of time, and now you've just lost a fraction of these players forever, because FFXIV does not have enough within the game to justify a subscription currently.

You've also set apart a "benchmark" players were looking for in the schedule of this game; the job system. Players were counting on that to show them how the game can change, and now that isn't something players can do without paying a subscription until the relaunch of the game. This is a mistake.


The game will be worth paying for one day, but it's not worth paying for today, and it won't be worth paying for in December. Until then, it is Square's responsibility to earn back the trust of the players, and this action stalls that regain of trust, but it doesn't stop the dissemination of the bad taste left in most FFXIV's ex-players mouths.

Thank you Yoshi-P and the development team for your incredible and stunning revisioning of FFXIV. I hope you succeed in the long run, but I am afraid your company is currently making the wrong choice by requiring a subscription fee before the game has earned it.

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Plain and simple, the only reason they're likely doing it is because the game is hemmoraging cash for every day it runs with no fees and no income generation.

That being said, they are promising to offer us an exclusive experience that no one who starts playing after 2.0 will get to experience. That may be something worth paying for, especially ocnsidering how much the game has improved.

however, outside of a story-based experience, what are we going to get between now and one year from now? That's a long time to go without a lot of the mentioned features.

The dev team's plans are incredibly ambitious and I feel we have to give them some credit for that. However, a whole nother year is a really long time to wait for this.

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Stop acting like SE is flat broke, god forbid the men upstairs don't each pocket 10 million dollars this year right? Lets keep on supporting their failed model.

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We know they're not broke, but they're not doing great either. If SE doesn't ever collect any money on this game, investors will have their heads- even though this is mainly an in-house project.

They can't let the game get so far into the red that they can't ever get out of it.

Wow for people that like to talk alot you obviously don't know the company so good they previously mentioned back in like january or december the reason they could even go about letting us play free was because Square-Enix is it's own investor also Square-Enix is plain flat out rich they just finished selling Deus-Ex an there in production of English version of FF13-2 but yeah i'm not paying i don't even level up jobs at the rate i want to because there is almost no one to play with on saronia so i sit with my 50arch farming until i get tired well im not gonna pay to farm xD

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Wow for people that like to talk alot you obviously don't know the company so good they previously mentioned back in like january or december the reason they could even go about letting us play free was because Square-Enix is it's own investor also Square-Enix is plain flat out rich they just finished selling Deus-Ex an there in production of English version of FF13-2 but yeah i'm not paying i don't even level up jobs at the rate i want to because there is almost no one to play with on saronia so i sit with my 50arch farming until i get tired well im not gonna pay to farm xD

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There's this key on your keyboard between the " , " and " / " keys called the period key, or " . " . Try using it sometime, then people can actually read the nonsense you're posting.

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There's this key on your keyboard between the " , " and " / " keys called the period key, or " . " . Try using it sometime, then people can actually read the nonsense you're posting.

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Ehhh i do enough coding to understand how if you can't read it I'm sorry but it might be the cause of you being a "Badnameinserthere". I have a different way of typing that paragraph I typed is exactly how i would have spoke in person i wouldn't have stopped bearly to even take a short breath so yea. Hows the periods doing for you? ........Enough ?
.................? Get it ?.........................................................
How many periods have i even type ?? Wait no forgot someone can't count seem your don't know what a comma is or a forward slash.

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Your "different" way of posting "paragraphs" isn't readable to the masses. This means one of two things: You're intentionally posting unintelligibly to annoy/troll people, or you really don't know what you're saying in the first place.

People do not normally type how they would speak. Written language doesn't work exactly the same way as spoken language. That being said, if you could have spoken that entire post without taking the slightest breath between sentences, you probably would have passed out afterward.

Sorry, but if your post was clearly readable, I wouldn't have had to bluntly comment.

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Your "different" way of posting "paragraphs" isn't readable to the masses. This means one of two things: You're intentionally posting unintelligibly to annoy/troll people, or you really don't know what you're saying in the first place.

People do not normally type how they would speak. Written language doesn't work exactly the same way as spoken language. That being said, if you could have spoken that entire post without taking the slightest breath between sentences, you probably would have passed out afterward.

Sorry, but if your post was clearly readable, I wouldn't have had to bluntly comment.

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W.e man you have nothing else to do but try to correct someone here i fixed it so stupid people like you can read.

Wow for people that like to talk alot you obviously don't know the company so good. They previously mentioned back in like January or December the reason they could even go about letting us play free was because Square-Enix is it's own investor also Square-Enix is plain flat out rich they just finished selling Deus-Ex an there in production of English version of FF13-2 .Yeah I'm not paying I don't even level up jobs at the rate I want to because there is almost no one to play with on Saronia so I sit with my 50arch farming until I get tired ,well im not gonna pay to farm. xD Big fucking change if u couldn't read that without the periods your an idiot I'm sorry that your not a logical thinker.

Im a bit of an MMORPG addict have been for years and have never second guessed paying for the experience, from Runescape Classic to FFXI, WoW and beyond. I feel this game has only just started to become playable and still lacks so much. I will not be paying when the time comes, not because i long for an f2p thats insane, but I dont feel the game is worth paying for yet, especially before you even get a chance to see how these Big changes affect the game. If SE ends up rushing this they will have destroyed the hard work of the past year.

*edit Id also like to point out that its turning some players against each other on the Forums. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and choices.

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No MMORPG is ever complete. Welcome to the world of MMORPGs. If a game is fun, it's worth paying for. And FFXIV is way past the treshold of fun.

Don't like it? Don't pay, and don't play. No one holds you hostage. But demanding the game to be free until YOU decide is read is flat out laughable.

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That is not what the word "complete" means in that context. A "complete" MMO would be one that the players and development team would deem to have a good set of basic features and content (compare Darkfall or Mortal Online to MMOs like Rift, LOTRO, or WoW). SE and the players both have agreed that FFXIV was not a "complete" game, resulting in it having no subscription fee for an entire year.

And it's not demanding that SE cater to him, when Yoshi-P him-damn-self has said that FFXIV is 50% of the way toward being a "complete" MMO, combined with SE's previous statements about suspending the subsctiption fee until they deem FFXIV to be "complete". Hell, people against the fee have suggested, in this thread, that they would be more willing to pay if the fee was at least half of what it was originally planned to be.

Well, unfortunately for you, your opinion (in this matter) holds no weight at all. Tough I know, but thems the breaks. I know its a shock when you discover you aren't the centre of the world, but consider your self lucky you discovered this in a game and not somewhere important.

In the mean time, can I have ur stuff?

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I'm going to pay. Otherwise, how am I supposed to beat up a vicious Moogle Primal?

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This marks the first time I've actually "lol'd" at a post on any forum whatsoever. Thank you. :)

You guys seriously overreact about this.

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You guys seriously overreact about this.

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No joke that's exactly what people said at release too.

The way I see it, the fees shouldn't be implemented until the PS3 version officially launches.

I put down the $80/90 for the Collector's Edition when it first came out, and the only reason I put it down was because my graphics card wasn't able to handle it. However, by about Christmas last year and actually trying out the game I wasn't really cursing the fact that I bought it, but more lamenting it. The items included in the package seemed they were hardly worth the $30 extra that I paid (The Adventurer's Certificate, the Onion Helm, the security key, the journal, the Behind the Scenes DVD) when only a couple of them served practical purposes and the others were simply for aesthetics.

I felt the same thing when I got my Signature Edition of Dragon Age II, but in contrast, I managed to get accustomed to the gameplay and the more flexible story progression at least until the last patch came out when party-farming got a hefty dose of steroids. I vividly remember Square-Enix stating that they wanted to appeal to players who either didn't have the time to invest into playing 24/7 or preferred playing alone and that's the only reason why I picked it up in the first place. It was a refreshing change of pace in contrast to WoW and XI when I was reduced to running instances or dungeons and farming mobs in groups of sometimes incompetent players - forsaking my priorities in life just to get ahead in the game, to make some story progression.

I can't afford to shell out a regular monthly subscription in this failing economy where I can't get a job, a circumstance not granted by choice, but by the lot I've been dealt in life. As some others have posted in the thread, Square-Enix is trying to make bank on XIV rather than cater to the wants and needs of the player-base, a trait very similar to that of Activision. I'd been a devout follower of theirs for about 15 years now, but to find that they've fallen so far from what they used to be makes me feel somewhat ashamed to be associated with their various services now. I miss Sakaguchi-san handling the franchise. At least he was of sound mind, and could entice many unsuspecting fanatics with the stories he would fabricate - a truly aesthetic masterpiece. A title XIV is not yet worthy of, and until it is, charging fees for 1/3 of a complete product is unjustified and simply: Greedy.

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No joke that's exactly what people said at release too.

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They were raging about a shitty game they bought. Most of them quit the game. Different rant.

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They were raging about a shitty game they bought. Most of them quit the game. Different rant.

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They are now ranting about a shitty game that they bough and now have to pay subs to, in order to play a different game 1 year later.

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They are now ranting about a shitty game that they bough and now have to pay subs to, in order to play a different game 1 year later.

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- Ranting about an incredibly bad game they bought
- Ranting about having to pay subs for much improved game after playing more than a year for free

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I agree, reactivating the subscription is a really bad idea. For players, the best thing would be to make the game P2P a month after the new version, so that people can try the "new FFXIV" and decide whether they want to pay for it or not.

However maybe they just can't afford to do so, honestly it looks more like a desperate attempt to get out of the money pit they dug with the failed launch of this game than a real dev decision.

TBH the only reason I bought FF14 - even though I loved FF11 - is because I got it for 5€ without subscription. I'll probably buy a month once the new version is stable to see what the fuss is all about, but I'm not sticking around once it becomes P2P... I seriously hope they won't lose too much players, this game has potential.

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That doesn't make much sense considering we ALL had to pay some form of money to even play the game as we do now.
From 15-70$ or more.
And it's not like they don't have money at all. Square Enix is a GIGANTIC corporation with tons of money.Especially all of the money that was almost PURE PROFIT after they broke even with XI YEARS ago. 500,000+ people paying an average of 12$ a month is over 6 Million $ just on estimate a month they would make.(back in it's hayday or whatever)
The only logical explanation is "We need to cover new development costs"
yet of course the above also applies to that.

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Yeah, a lot of people who were concerned about the game at release were accused of being haters and trolls, even though they had very valid points. Defenders of SE at that time claimed the product was OK and then we just had to learn how to "deal with it".

Then what happened? Within 2 months of release, the population fell at an exponential level.

I'm getting the same vibes here with the subscription announcement. It really is a bad business move for Square. Their current player base would be potentially great word of mouth - viral marketing. I actually got some people who were disillusioned with the first month of play to play this game again after the 1.18 patch, and it DEFINITELY wouldn't have been possible if the game cost money to pay a one month sub fee for. It staying free to play gave great word of mouth advertising and actually made the people I talked to want to stay. They're taking zero risk by trying it again - they can just try it out again for free without having to spend money for it or sign up for some sort of monthly subscription model. If they don't like it, then no big deal, but if they like it, now Square gains another customer who will stick around to see what the game has in store for them a month, or even a year from now.

I think that word of mouth model would be the best way to get FFXIV's reputation back from the ashes again. Or at least, like I've stated before, set the subscription fee at half price until the full reboot.

yes don't mind paying the monthly fee (BUT) Since the game only at 50% complete we should only pay 50% the sub fee
you dont buy half a game and pay the full price of that of a completed game do yea now ?

I wouldn't mind paying to continue playing FFXIV...
BUT, I'm concerned that a good percentage of my in-game friends would not.

Whether or not I will stick around really depends on which of my friends also continue.

If it gets lonely, there won't be much reason to continue.

I guess it's a "wait and see" for me.

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I wouldn't mind paying to continue playing FFXIV...
BUT, I'm concerned that a good percentage of my in-game friends would not.

Whether or not I will stick around really depends on which of my friends also continue.

If it gets lonely, there won't be much reason to continue.

I guess it's a "wait and see" for me.

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That's something I've been thinking about lately too. It will be an absolute ghost town, especially for North American players, and that doesn't provide a good playing environment for the people who remain. There are a lot of questions behind why they need to do this, I just hope they will see to it to reconsider.

I'd like to add, the FFXIV 2.0 news hit a lot of gaming sites, and lo and behold, as predicted the gaming sites are also questioning the subscription fee reinstatement when the game is only half finished. I'm seeing comments from all types of gamers that are saying now they're not even going to give the game a second glance because the game is going pay to play.

Word of mouth is powerful advertising and it was equally as damaging for Square. It hurt them in the past because of their follies at launch, but they can use that same word of mouth to allow a new player base to try the game again and "lock" them in for the 2.0 relaunch. By reverting back to a p2p model with a half-finished game they're pretty much reducing any chances of people coming back to the game over the next year. But again Square shot themselves in the foot with this one, as the same sites that are announcing the 2.0 relaunch are also questioning Square's (lack of) wisdom for reactivating the subscription fee for an unfinished game.

It's a very risky move for Square to take. I hope it doesn't come around to bite them in the butt later.

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I'd like to add, the FFXIV 2.0 news hit a lot of gaming sites, and lo and behold, as predicted the gaming sites are also questioning the subscription fee reinstatement when the game is only half finished. I'm seeing comments from all types of gamers that are saying now they're not even going to give the game a second glance because the game is going pay to play.

Word of mouth is powerful advertising and it was equally as damaging for Square. It hurt them in the past because of their follies at launch, but they can use that same word of mouth to allow a new player base to try the game again and "lock" them in for the 2.0 relaunch. By reverting back to a p2p model with a half-finished game they're pretty much reducing any chances of people coming back to the game over the next year. But again Square shot themselves in the foot with this one, as the same sites that are announcing the 2.0 relaunch are also questioning Square's (lack of) wisdom for reactivating the subscription fee for an unfinished game.

It's a very risky move for Square to take. I hope it doesn't come around to bite them in the butt later.

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i ahve a bad feeling this might. to the casual person seeing this on another site it looks like a desperate attempt for money. To a big portion of us it seems like a p2p beta of 2.0 which is the real version, because we get our "free trial" then and they deem it good enough to send to ps3. It just plain looks bad to a lot of people and id rather they let yoshi take full charge and say no to that, because he really seems to be making this game good, but this will be a stain on his rep.

most of the people here like me who are very willing to pay for 2.0 are having a hard time justifying paying in a month with lots of simple issues still making the game feel like its not ready.

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So very true. I know most of my friends were skeptical of XIV after I told them of my experiences with XIV, but it's even more powerful when there are trolls collectively bashing XIV. Believe me, I've seen it happen.

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I agree, reactivating the subscription is a really bad idea. For players, the best thing would be to make the game P2P a month after the new version, so that people can try the "new FFXIV" and decide whether they want to pay for it or not.

However maybe they just can't afford to do so, honestly it looks more like a desperate attempt to get out of the money pit they dug with the failed launch of this game than a real dev decision.

TBH the only reason I bought FF14 - even though I loved FF11 - is because I got it for 5€ without subscription. I'll probably buy a month once the new version is stable to see what the fuss is all about, but I'm not sticking around once it becomes P2P... I seriously hope they won't lose too much players, this game has potential.

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They're actually being pretty generous with seeing the new content, although they're being a bit misleading. They're referring to the beta phase of the game as the "reboot period" and they aren't going to be charging for that, and that is going to take place over 3 months. However, if they consider it a beta, it is awkward for them to charge pre-beta. They also try to hide it as being called a beta, because they only refer to it as the "PS3 closed beta".

The problem is there is just a ton of bad PR out there - any article you see regarding FFXIV is negative - even the latest patch scope from mmorpg.com which looked at patch 1.19, and they desperately need glowing reviews from people, but they've just isolated the people who have invested the time into the game because they think it will be worth their time in the future. I don't think anyone would be playing now if they didn't think the game could get to something good at a point in time - I'm not really having any good times while I'm playing - I'm simply preparing myself for when the game is going to filled with those good times.

It has also made Square look as if they have lost their confident and cool demeanor regarding this title, and replaced it with something that seems panicky.

Are people still raging?

The ones ranting the hardest are the same people that are most addicted and in-love with this game.
They are either too young to pay, don't understand the subscription model or are in so much debt from being an MMO addict that they have to choose between pizza or sub.

<troll face> + <serious face> = You know i am right.

I'm sort of offended by the idea they need these subs as an "investment" in the future. I'm fairly sure that's what "investors" are for. This isn't some small indie title being built by one guy maxing out his credit cards. The limited money they make from subs is just going to end up being spent later on advertising, even moreso to undo the previous bad press. Keeping the game free and allowing the spread of positive word-of-mouth is a lot more beneficial in the long run.

I personally try to speak very positively about the game and its changes to others who haven't touched it since launch. But there's a big gap between "It's headed in a great direction" and "It's great."

SE doesn't need our investment. They are a massive company, and if they are truly "hemorrhaging money" like the fanboys claim, then charging a subscription fee is the least of their concerns. XIV should have been shut down. The SE corporation has more assets than just video games, Final Fantasy, and Dragon Quest. Sure they might be losing profits, but they are in no terms "dying" for money.

What upsets the most about SE charging are two things. One, Yoshi said the game is 50% to the point where they wanted at launch. So why would we get charged a fee for an incomplete product? Yes MMO's continually evolve, but this term of "complete" means "ready to launch." Secondly, apparently the JP forums claim that there will be a two month free trial reinstatement because of the PS3 beta and PC client live at the same time. So essentially you're paying for an incomplete beta, then getting two months of the final beta product free. How can SE justify that?

It is absurd.

I am excited for the changes and will definitely check out the two month trial period, but they need to reevaluate the timing of the charges or severely reduce the subscription fee for now for fear of losing a lot of interest in the game. They have a lot of good going, but not the sub fee.

HALF Price For Half a game

they aren't gonna be selling or sending more copies out to sell, thus this is beta still, paying is just stupid. from the look of the forum thread with a voting on it that 1/3rd of the players will leave, lol the game is already so empty you cant get anything done. it's probably why they one day in the way too distant future they adding server to server search and join instead of just threw your own server.

i will stay for a month cause i'm sure a patch with a little something something will be involved with the payment launch. and then i just might need to just stay away as much as possible. swtor will be launched ...i'll give it a try till ffxiv gets it's stuff straightened out. again i'm not poor but no company is taking my money when i don't think they deserve it. i'll go to a mom and pop game even if i hate it b4 i do that:)

Here's my opinion--take it for what you will, as you can see...I have just a bunch of lowbie alts because I keep having to jump servers every time my friends ditch the game -.-;;

Whether you guys like the game or not is really subjective to personal opinion and tastes; but do know that you are going to be paying for a beta test until the end of 2012.

While Square Enix will not opening admit it, they are literally reworking the game from ground up behind the scenes. Just look at the PDF documentation that have released: new graphics engine, new server software from client and host end, new maps, graphical textures, CG movies (from the sounds of it), voice acting, locations, the list goes on.

Now hear me out, I'm not *flaming* SE for this decision, it was clear from the beginning that the engine they used for FFXIV was not suitable or even optimal for MMO designing; there was a clear evidence when the new team struggled to pull content out in reasonable time, as well as having such a difficult time implementing simple features like party search, mail, and auction house etc. The infrastructure is whack with the modified crystal engine, and honestly switching to new software this point would be best if they hope to reboot and prolong this game.

I've posted this in another fan-site forum; but any of us that have purchased the physical copy of this game are going to have useless coasters by version 2.0's release, and I'm really curious how they plan to go about that. I mean, it sounds like none of the data from our DVD's are going to even be part of the new game, so how do they plan for us to play it? Are they finally going to allow electronic downloads, or will they distribute new DVD's for customers--especially those of us who purchased the $70 CE edition.

In the end, if you have the money to spare and you enjoy the game; I see absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be paying. I personally do not enjoy the game at this time, and do not have anyone left to play with--thus I'm going to hold off, and see how it goes. As for the whole 50 cents-a-day thing, this assumes that I don't have any other expenses to cover.

If I exclude money for food, rent payment, internet, and utility--I also pay for a gym membership, Netflix, and two other MMO's. It's definitely true that I don't have to pay for later things, but at this time I find the things I'm paying worthwhile, though I'm likely to drop two of those MMO's in the near future. All I'm saying is, before you guys go insulting people for being able to cover 50 cents a day, just know that everyone has their own situations. 15 a month may not seem like much if for example, you live with your parents and you only need to cover car/insurance and your MMO, but that's a completely different world for others.

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they aren't gonna be selling or sending more copies out to sell, thus this is beta still, paying is just stupid. from the look of the forum thread with a voting on it that 1/3rd of the players will leave, lol the game is already so empty you cant get anything done.

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Probably going to be on a server by server basis of getting things done. But there isn't much to "get done" anyway. You just kind of mindlessly grind. Ifrit and future primal/major battles won't mean anything significant because of the server issues, animation locking. Pretty pointless imo.

As far as 1/3 of the player base leaving. It is going to be more. I'd argue the FFXIV forums are now not an appropriate sample for gauging any type of player base. I see more fanboys screaming "don't let the door hit you on the way out" here now than I did a few months ago -- probably due to the fact that the non-disillusioned players have all lost interest or stopped playing.

If you look at a combination of sources, ZAM, FFXIVCore, BG, Gamerescape, and the XIV forums together, it seems its going to be a near 50/50 split. So clearly this isn't a smart move in XIV's direction. They are literally halving the interest in this game by losing the player base they need to appeal to the most: the disappointed players. Fanboys will register regardless of what SE does and claim it is the best thing in the world. SE HAS listened to the disappointed players in the past, 2.0 is clearly an indication of that, and I hope they listen now.

Charging now is not the appropriate tactic, for a BETA, which has been confirmed to be a BETA.

do you know what the problem with opinions is? everyone has them and they all stink exept your own

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do you know what the problem with opinions is? everyone has them and they all stink exept your own

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I'm only liking this post for the wisdom entailed in it, not the validity of it in this argument.