Time on House removal/reclaming is way to short! (private houseing)

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

I apologize for your inconvenience. It must be really hard to walk 10 ft from your garden to your door and click enter. Then you have to turn around and click exit while you're there. Ugh. SE are monsters.

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First off I cant do that because I dont even own a house myself.

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Originally Posted by Nashred

First off I cant do that because I dont even own a house myself.

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I apologize, I seem to have trouble understanding words.

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Originally Posted by Nashred

Matter of fact My girlfriend and I are near our house all the time but rarely enter it. We craft in the yard. Tesee uses her garden and choco stable but we rarely go in anymore because there is little reason too. We have it decorated and there is no space for anything else till SE lets us.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

I apologize, I seem to have trouble understanding words.

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Not a problem understanding words but how personal housing works. Only one person actually owns the house. I could go in and out as many times as I want and it dont make a difference. Matter of fact I can be locked out.
So basically it is her house. I can not believe I had to tell someone that. It is not fC housing.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

I apologize for your inconvenience. It must be really hard to walk 10 ft from your garden to your door and click enter. Then you have to turn around and click exit while you're there. Ugh. SE are monsters.

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But I don't want to step in the house! How DARE SE expect me to maintain a sub or take 10 seconds out of my PRECIOUS PRECIOUS time every 45 days. I am a special snowflake, I am outraged! *stomp stomp stomp* /sarcasm

Had to quote that, made me laugh.. haha!

Housing wards are loaded 24/7 unless the servers are down. SE has stated this. If you can't take the time to walk in your house or sub every other month then you don't need a house.

Meanwhile hundreds of FCs are waiting for housing and will never see what is currently exclusive content because of inactive players.

45 days is incredibly generous. You only have to sub every other month, log in once, walk into the house once and logout... If you can't manage that after 45 days and 3 notifications... you don't need a house.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

But I don't want to step in the house! How DARE SE expect me to maintain a sub or take 10 seconds out of my PRECIOUS PRECIOUS time every 45 days. I am a special snowflake, I am outraged! *stomp stomp stomp* /sarcasm

Had to quote that, made me laugh.. haha!

Housing wards are loaded 24/7 unless the servers are down. SE has stated this. If you can't take the time to walk in your house or sub every other month then you don't need a house.

Meanwhile hundreds of FCs are waiting for housing and will never see what is currently exclusive content because of inactive players.

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Again be mad at SE not the people who own houses. They are not taking them away from just inactive players which would be different. They are taking them for just active players. If someone buys a house in the game they should be able to use it anyway they want as long as it does not violate the terms of agreement.

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Originally Posted by Nashred

Again be mad at SE not the people who own houses. They are not taking them away from inactive players. They are taking them for just active players. If someone buys a house in the game they should be able to use it anyway they want as long as it does not violate the terms of agreement.

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I'm not mad at them. I think they're doing an excellent job implementing this. They wanted to in the first place but there was too many crybabies that time too. Though... thankfully since they announced it officially seems like they're not backing down.

I'm more amused at everyone outraged that they think they have a right to virtual property when in the TOS it clearly states you do not. c:

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Originally Posted by Nashred

Not a problem understanding words but how personal housing works. Only one person actually owns the house. I could go in and out as many times as I want and it dont make a difference. Matter of fact I can be locked out.
So basically it is her house. I can not believe I had to tell someone that. It is not fC housing.

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Once again, sorry for my misunderstanding of the words "our", "we", and "I" in your sentences. The gall that I would misunderstand your statement! And by I, I am refering to Youkulm.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

But I don't want to step in the house! How DARE SE expect me to maintain a sub or take 10 seconds out of my PRECIOUS PRECIOUS time every 45 days. I am a special snowflake, I am outraged! *stomp stomp stomp* /sarcasm

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OMG, I love this. I have a mental image of a lala throwing a fit and stomping around.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I'm not mad at them. I think they're doing an excellent job implementing this. They wanted to in the first place but there was too many crybabies that time too. Though... thankfully since they announced it officially seems like they're not backing down.

I'm more amused at everyone outraged that they think they have a right to virtual property when in the TOS it clearly states you do not. c:

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They backed down with the DE:MD preorder scheme, maybe we can convince them otherwise?

Also you are not understanding the severity of the situation on housing. Its not just the house you lose but the time you put in to make it, decorate it, gil spent on it for super awesome raid trophys. Not to mention the fact if you did lose it you would not have the space required to take all those items out of the caregiver unless you paid up for more retainers.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

They backed down with the DE:MD preorder scheme, maybe we can convince them otherwise?

Also you are not understanding the severity of the situation on housing. Its not just the house you lose but the time you put in to make it, decorate it, gil spent on it for super awesome raid trophys. Not to mention the fact if you did lose it you would not have the space required to take all those items out of the caregiver unless you paid up for more retainers.

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Well the thing is too for us my girlfriend leaves for a month every so often for personal/family reasons and her first thought before leaving or getting back are not omg I need to log on and click my house. Her first thoughts are not even getting on the game.

I have a friend in the Reserves who leaves for months at a time. He even still pays the monthly fee when he is gone too. So it is not like he can go hey wait I will just keep paying my sub to keep my house.
But that is ok with those two he looses his house.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

If you can't take the time to walk in your house or sub every other month then you don't need a house.

45 days is incredibly generous. You only have to sub every other month, log in once, walk into the house once and logout... If you can't manage that after 45 days and 3 notifications... you don't need a house.

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Not all of us can be no lifers. Also a thing called finances come up, you know, things adults manage. Your wrong cause its not every other month, its every month and a half (which is extremely awkward).

So I happen to want to take a break for a few months, i've been known to do this plenty in previous MMOs but I still have to pay a sub just to keep my in game house?

Also 45 days is not "incredibly generous". All you care about is getting a house for yourself as soon as possible and not looking at the view from those who actually see this as an issue.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Not all of us can be no lifers. Also a thing called finances come up, you know, things adults manage. Your wrong cause its not every other month, its every month and a half (which is extremely awkward).

So I happen to want to take a break for a few months, i've been known to do this plenty in previous MMOs but I still have to pay a sub just to keep my in game house?

Also 45 days is not "incredibly generous". All you care about is getting a house for yourself as soon as possible and not looking at the view from those who actually see this as an issue.

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I wouldn't make assumptions about other people's lives ( I have taken months off at a time )... I'm sorry but my issue is this: I have no sympathy for people with personal housing. I'm in an FC so I can take a break and I'll be fine. Personal housing is a luxury as it should be, 45 days as I stated is plenty.

Also you can say or think i'm wrong. All of these... are opinions... including mine. I'm not naive enough to tell people they're wrong about their opinions on this subject.

Despite opinions they announced this was coming months ago. It's about time c:

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Not all of us can be no lifers. Also a thing called finances come up, you know, things adults manage. Your wrong cause its not every other month, its every month and a half (which is extremely awkward).

So I happen to want to take a break for a few months, i've been known to do this plenty in previous MMOs but I still have to pay a sub just to keep my in game house?

Also 45 days is not "incredibly generous". All you care about is getting a house for yourself as soon as possible and not looking at the view from those who actually see this as an issue.

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The other issue is this wont solve the issue, the few houses this is going to free up is not going to do squat for the thousands of players who want houses.

But personally it seems pretty selfish of people to want others too loose their houses they worked and paid for just so they can have a house.

Again those who have de-subbed for a long time I understand.

Personally I want to buy a house on our server since we cant really share a house but I am not going to for even minute think it is ok for someone to take away someones house who is still pay subscription fees. Another thing SE messed up on what ever happened to sharing a house which would actually help more than this.

I think the least they could do is impliment a basic room/house available as a default living quarters like how it was in FFXI or hell, give me the option to increase my room size in the FC and I won't even care about having personal housing. I'm sure many people would at least be happy with that and then allow the ones who do own a house have it for longer, I'd say a year unsubbed would be a sufficient timer (though I'm sure those people would say otherwise).

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

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I see the issue you guys are posing. It's that you want to "take a break". You can. But if you do, guess what? SE has no obligation to cater to you when you are not willing to cater to them either. You can say "but they are a business and they should WANT MY business!" all you want, but they WANT your money. Because they are a business (and that's sorta what business's do).

As for the "adult" argument. If you come into hard times, then yes, that sure does stink. You should be focusing on getting back up and should stop your sub. But there is no specific time frame for how long it'll be before you get another job NOR if the job will give you a substantial amount of money to be able to start a sub again. I was unemployed for 8 months a while back. If I had a house in FFXIV, I'd be upset, but I would also understand why I lost my house when I got back. I was gone for an extended period of time AND I wasn't paying. I'll work my way back up just like I did with my life. I'd honestly be glad that I wasn't simply wasting space that's very limited.

As for "no lifers"... dude. Once every 45 days. Not hard. That's not a "no lifer". Don't be like that.

We aren't looking to "steal your houses". We want to see those not being used opened up. 45 days is plenty of time to log in once and enter the house. Heck, you can even turn the game off after entering if you can't take the extra 5 seconds to turn around and exit too.

The simple fact is, that this is the housing situation on this game. They are a small and limited commodity. This makes them high value and (as we can see by all of you arguing) very precious to people. However, they DO give functions that can only be done at houses. Everyone wants their chance to do something with it. Yes, it would be awesome if everyone could just have one and then choose to use it or not. But they didn't do that. Now they're telling you, use it, or lose it. If you feel you can't muster up the ability to log in once in 45 days or wish to take a half year's break before coming back, then I suggest you start clearing inventory space for your furniture and prepare to sell your house instead. When you come back, you can find a new place with the couple mil you got. The cycle will continue to take houses from people who quit or "took a break".

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Originally Posted by Nashred

Another thing SE messed up on what ever happened to sharing a house which would actually help more than this.

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Now that I can agree on. There should be some sort of feature to allow sharing a "personal" house with whomever you want. Even if you have to pay something to be able to do that. Heck, I'd pay "rent" per month ingame to have the shared space. It would help alleviate the issue a lot more.

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Originally Posted by Skybourne

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Yea, i'm one of those people who think that's too long, BUT allowing for expansion of room sizes in FC would be a great idea too.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

Yea, i'm one of those people who think that's too long, BUT allowing for expansion of room sizes in FC would be a great idea too.

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Yeah I can understand that being too long, it's was really just a random time to throw out there, would still say two maybe 3 months would be more appropriate for unsubbed users and double that for a subbed account, just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Skybourne

Yeah I can understand that being too long, it's was really just a random time to throw out there, would still say two maybe 3 months would be more appropriate for unsubbed users and double that for a subbed account, just a thought.

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Could deal with that honestly. The most important thing is to clear out those who quit/have no intent of coming back and keep a cycle going to clear out the stream of those leaving who own houses. I personally don't think 45 days is too short, but if it was 60, 75 or 90, I wouldn't care that much either.

It is not about being a lifer. Some people can not get on every 45 days like people in the Service. Now they can not even pay the sub fee to keep their house.
This wont fix the housing issue.
I want my own house but I wont even for a minute think it is right to take something away from those who are paying for it.
Pretty selfish.
Next people are going to cry people have more money than they do and are not using it and SE should take it away and give it too them.
Its different for people not paying a sub. Once you stop you give up rights.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

As for the "adult" argument. If you come into hard times, then yes, that sure does stink. You should be focusing on getting back up and should stop your sub.

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I can't have a hobby I enjoy to relax?

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

As for "no lifers"... dude. Once every 45 days. Not hard. That's not a "no lifer". Don't be like that.

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To late, I already am like that. What about those on military leave?

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

We aren't looking to "steal your houses". We want to see those not being used opened up. 45 days is plenty of time to log in once and enter the house. Heck, you can even turn the game off after entering if you can't take the extra 5 seconds to turn around and exit too.

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You may not be but others certainly are. They can't wait for others to get kicked out so they can snatch up a house even if that person put a ton of effort into the house. They are selfish.

Also gotta give you credit, you caught us home owners. Your sherlocking skills really figured it all out. How did a few of you guys know that it was that dam loading screen that caused all our concern. Oh man you guys are really digging hard for evidence, can't stop laughing at how stupid 5 second loading screen issue is and those that bring it up.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

The simple fact is, that this is the housing situation on this game. They are a small and limited commodity. This makes them high value and (as we can see by all of you arguing) very precious to people. However, they DO give functions that can only be done at houses. Everyone wants their chance to do something with it. Yes, it would be awesome if everyone could just have one and then choose to use it or not. But they didn't do that. Now they're telling you, use it, or lose it. If you feel you can't muster up the ability to log in once in 45 days or wish to take a half year's break before coming back, then I suggest you start clearing inventory space for your furniture and prepare to sell your house instead. When you come back, you can find a new place with the couple mil you got. The cycle will continue to take houses from people who quit or "took a break".

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Ok sure but I don't remember at all when housing was first announced that i would lose the house that I acquired. That they would not be adding more, ever. Never once was I told "hey, just be aware you may not keep this house in the future". All these things about the houses being taken are recent and therefore don't fall into the realm of "fair". No other MMO does this so why did we think FFXIV would?

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Originally Posted by Nashred

It is not about being a lifer. Some people can not get on every 45 days like people in the Service. Now they can not even pay the sub fee to keep their house.
This wont fix the housing issue.
I want my own house but I wont even for a minute think it is right to take something away from those who are paying for it.
Pretty selfish.
Next people are going to cry people have more money than they do and are not using it and SE should take it away and give it too them.

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Money isn't really comparable as there is always a stream of gil income available. Houses on the otherhand are limited.

And in regards to military. Yes, that is inconvenient for those deployed in a warzone, naval ship, or 3rd world country. But here's the thing about those.
1. Deployment into a warzone can range by a LOT. You could be there for a month, you could be there for a year or more. Military will always have this inconvenience, but it's something they know they have to live with. Do you know what else they have to deal with? Being deployed in a warzone when their baby is born, or taking their first steps, or if a family member dies. I think they can handle losing their virtual house. However, if somehow it isn't, they usually still have access to a phone or internet to ask someone to please log in for 2 seconds if they are still subbing. It's inconvenient, but there is no way to cater to this scenario of being in a warzone (not to mention the risk of death). And please do not think I'm being unreasonable, or unsupportive to military. Most of my family has been in or is currently in the military. I have sponsored midshipmen for nearly a decade and they have become like family to us. And I have unfortunately even had to deal with losing one of them.
2. Deployment on a naval ship (or submarine) is usually a longer deployment. These are usually trips out at sea for many months. 3 months would actually be a very short trip on a ship based deployment. However, they do dock within the timeframe as well. Once again, not easy to cater to without basically giving them unlimited time with no guarantee they will even want to come back and play.
3. 3rd world country. You drew the short end of the straw on deployments. Really inconvenient.

The other remaining deployments are usually a station which last for quite a while. Usually years. In these, you usually get a place to live and have internet. It's really not an excuse for not being able to log on. Majority of the midshipmen my family sponsored are in this circumstance. Most in the states, few in Japan. While I may not be in the military, I have been surrounded by it my entire life and am a bit touchy that people are using that and "diseases" as the main excuse for why this is a horrible update. Majority of you arguing about those are not even in those circumstances. I've heard multiple people with illness's come out and say "45 days is plenty". I've yet to hear any military members poke their heads up and say this is a huge inconvenience to them.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Ok sure but I don't remember at all when housing was first announced that i would lose the house that I acquired. That they would not be adding more, ever. Never once was I told "hey, just be aware you may not keep this house in the future". All these things about the houses being taken are recent and therefore don't fall into the realm of "fair". No other MMO does this so why did we think FFXIV would?

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SE could also go bankrupt, have to shut down all their servers and every single person here would lose much more than their house. I'm sure they wouldn't announce to you a heads up if that were happening either (granted,this is very unlikely to happen, but FFXIV doesn't have to announce everything they will do in the future. Things change. Remember that sweater you liked 5 years ago and now think is ugly?

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Not see the main issue tho? What if I spent months building up my house then had to step out do to overplaying and becoming exhausted, I want to take a 2 month break to cram in things i've missed the past year bingeing on this game.

That 45 day limit forces you to pay a sub each month-ish just so you can keep your house you spent 10m/40m/60m on> (like I said, extortion). No other MMO does that!

I'm a very active player and have been since launch but when fatigue comes in and I need a break that means i'll lose millions just like that If I don't get back on when they say? They need to raise the limit to 90 days cause that house took more then a month to build up and i'll be dammed if I lose it in a fraction of the time.

The thing is some gamers like variety, they can't just play the same game each day every month till it dies out so they have to play it in bursts.

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You get all your non-rare stuff+ 80% of your gil back. More than fair.

Another way of looking at it: If you took a 3 month break and didn't have a house, you wouldn't expect your gear to still be current or have value right? And every piece of gear you buy in game, once used=no money back right? So really, they are being kind in giving you back as much as they are with housing when you took a break.

Heck, you could even take advantage of this new system to get your gil back from a house if you ever wanted to upgrade or needed the gil for something. Yes, it'd mean not using your home for 45 days, and you'd have to wait...but people could purposefully use this as a way of regaining much of their investment to move up, or invest in their character in a different way.


And this of course, only would happen to you if you stopped playing/using the house for 3+ months. It'd also only happen if no one else you share the home with accesses it in the same time. (Being able to share personal homes w/ up to 5 people is inc....so really, if you know you need to go on an extended break, allow a trusted friend who's going to continue to play access to your home...even if it's on their alt=problem solved)

This is the fairest way for SE to make sure all resources are used by paying customers, limit the need for extra wards, and yet, still give more people the option for homes. Also, this is step 1 of their multiple step housing system fix/upgrade. But there is no reason for SE to waste resources on non paying customers. It's bad business actually.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

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Now you're just discriminating against those in military.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

SE could also go bankrupt, have to shut down all their servers and every single person here would lose much more than their house. I'm sure they wouldn't announce to you a heads up if that were happening either (granted,this is very unlikely to happen, but FFXIV doesn't have to announce everything they will do in the future. Things change. Remember that sweater you liked 5 years ago and now think is ugly?

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Hahahaha. Oh man, dig deeper please. Hey everyone, we didn't pay each month for housing so SE is now gonna shut the game down. You make me laugh, you know that. Don't use the most extreme cases that will never happen 99% of the time. This game currently has over 1 mill active subscribers that pay anywhere from $13-$22 (depending on alts/retainers). We pay a sub to keep it all running, remember?

If in fact next year the game shut down and said, tough...... ok well at least everyone gets treated the same at that point and we all move on.

You tell me not to use "Extreme" cases but are saying "Why didn't SE tell me 2 years ago that they might do this?!"

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

Also you can say or think i'm wrong. All of these... are opinions... including mine. I'm not naive enough to tell people they're wrong about their opinions on this subject.

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I said you were wrong on how long it took to pay, its fact not opinions.

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Originally Posted by Shirobi

Too bad. You should have been an early supporter and had the money ready to go when the housing was originally available.

This is screwing over dedicated, long term players for newbies.

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No it's not. If you ARE such a player, then you have an active account dedicated=you pay your sub. And if you play and pay, then you won't lose your house. It's for exactly what the person you quoted said. To allow newer folk (and even, get this old, dedicated players) who'd like homes, a chance to get one, by removing them from people who no longer play/pay to play. Also, it will make it easier for SE to judge the actual player need for housing on each server to better provide additional housing/wards etc.

People really need to start looking forward. This game, if FFXI is any indicator, could have a decade+ lifespan. Over that time, you really don't think a fair amount of people living in the current wards won't move on/play something else etc. Those wards, if nothing is done, will become ghost towns, wasted server space, and just add to game bloat. This new system will make it so even 10 years from now, ward 1 on any server/any plot has a human actively playing the game behind it. And therefore, as in real life, keeps the value/desire of the entire ward up. But it also will mean that we won't need to add extra space every couple months simply because all houses are full. The space will be added when 1. All spaces are full and 2. Not enough spaces are going vacant in a reasonable timeframe. I don't want to go though a 40+ ward list to find a friends house...I'm sure you don't either. This system helps fix it.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

You tell me not to use "Extreme" cases but are saying "Why didn't SE tell me 2 years ago that they might do this?!"

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

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Your talking about shutting an entire game down due to house payments, im talking about them changing the ToS and taking a virtual house away. Way different in terms of scope and scale.

As for military I said that due to the fact you want to say they have no right to hold a house in this game when before they were not aware of how long they were to stay home before they got called back into duty. How I see it.

Its ok, i'll discuss with others now as i've backed you in a corner and feel I have no more discussions to give. I have stated my opinions and that is all I needed to do. If I went on further it would be off topic.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

45 days is not enough for private housing. If I wanted to take a few months break to catch up on other games, military, RL stuff, SE will be forcing me to resub after a 1 month break just so I don't lose a vital part of my progress.That is shady as hell and it a dirty busniess tactic to make sure I have to pay them to keep what is mine, that is extortion in its current form! It is unfair and needs to be reevaluated to better protect its honest buyers.

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i agree with this, i work in IT, and often times, have to travel and cant get online for a few days, sometimes a few weeks. my company also assists other companies as well and require travel for weeks, even sometimes months. and anyone else that works IT can vouch for unpredictable schedules to begin with.

a change like this would rather make me unsub completely if i loose my house "just because i couldnt enter it" or anyone im sharing it with couldnt either. especially if im actually paying my sub during those lengthy business calls. SE needs to give a little more consideration how they really want to do this for private housing to be honest. at least if they do insist on keeping these numbers, they should increase the time frame to a more lengthy period that a few days after the house has been lost and preferrably 100% of the gil if you are subbed when your house is lost

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Originally Posted by Nymeria2x

Are you serious? I'm guessing you've never been deployed or had financial issues or been severely sick or injured? For the people who have its a real kick in the gut to come back to the game you love and discover your stuff is gone. Especially since the time limit for demolition and retrieving your items is so short. 45 day before demolition, 35 days before your stuff disappears. Sounds like crap considering the average deployment is at least 3-6months and is usually far longer. No telling how long someone will be in the hospital after a serious illness or a bad accident. What about when someone's computer breaks down and they need to save up for the sudden expense. There's the dedicated college kids/adults how play during the summer and on holidays while they focus the rest of the time on their work. There are literally hundreds of different reasons life could force you away form the game for an extended period so why should players be punished for dealing with real life? I certainly wouldn't want to continue playing a game if I came back and all the stuff I'd worked so hard for was gone.

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SE already announced you will be able to share a personal home with up to 5 people. If you get sick, are deployed etc., once SE allows you to share a house, make sure to share w/ a trusted friend (or 2) who you know will remain active during your absence and you will not lose your home. This is the easiest fix for someone in this situation.

Or.

Appeal to SE not to 'save everyone's home due to these unique situations, but instead to offer a way via customer support, that you could give them the proper documentation needed explaining your reason for needing an extended leave, and having them hold your stuff accordingly.

Or...pay for your game even though you are deployed...Service men, people dealing with real life sickness, work stuff etc, still have to pay their real life bills to keep their cars, homes, electric on etc. The government (depending on your country/deployment etc), might help you with some of the real life stuff, etc...but typically, bills are still paid even if deployed...after all, being in the Military is a paying job.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

And as for military, please tell me how many military members you know in your life. I'm speaking from the experience of knowing these people. YOU are the one speaking of that you do not know to push your own thoughts on an update in a game.

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I was in the army for 5 and a half years, recently got out. some training, depending on your unit, would go anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months, and larger exercises (like working with foreign military) could last longer. 7 people in just my platoon, including me, played. keep in mind, these time frames are not including deployments, which depending on branch could be 3 months to 15 months.

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Originally Posted by Maddonious

Your talking about shutting an entire game down due to house payments, im talking about them changing the ToS and taking a virtual house away. Way different in terms of scope and scale.

As for military I said that due to the fact you want to say they have no right to hold a house in this game when before they were not aware of how long they were to stay home before they got called back into duty. How I see it.

Its ok, i'll discuss with others now as i've backed you in a corner and feel I have no more discussions to give. I have stated my opinions and that is all I needed to do. If I went on further it would be off topic.

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You completely misunderstood/misread what I put then.
I never stated this housing situation would cause the game to go down. I said IF SE went bankrupt (in general, at any time). Things change (thanks Obama) as you move forward and you can't foresee everything coming.

I never said military have no rights to have a house. I'm saying, they KNOW what they signed up for when they entered the military. Which involves long deployments and being placed in war zones. The thing about deployments are, most aren't short (6 months-2 years range usually). How can SE cater to them? And you wish to use THEM as an excuse for YOU to have more time. But these people are sacrificing their time and LIVES. You are losing a virtual house if you don't log in 45 days. I've yet to see a military player pop up to complain that they will be on deployment with no access and will lose their FFXIV house in the many topics about this. My belief is that is because they KNOW that they signed up for the military and what that entails (sacrifice of their time and lives). Did you know at military academies you can be punished for simply hurting yourself (say because you decided to punch a wall out of anger). You get a free education at them because you are literally signing years of your LIFE to them in service. Military members have to deal with much harder sacrifices in their lives than this petty argument. The fact that non-military people are using them as a reason upsets me because these men and women TRULY have to make sacrifices and your here complaining about 45 days to log in and enter your house.

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Losing my house I put millions apon millions of gil into compared to outdated Armour is a bad comparison. It would make more sense if I came back into the game with no Armour due to my absence to equal what the housing situation would do to an individual.

Outdated Armour would at least keep me close to people and I could catch up in a week of dungeon farming, the house however that took me time and money to get would not be so easy to get back. If you read my OP then you would also realize that the 80% of refund does not cover the primal/coil/tower items you may have put in your house that are worth more then the house, it would just cover simple housing decor from vendors and cheap crafting.

Sharing a house tho is not confirmed if it would fix this issue. Currently the official posting just says "owner" of the private house, not the co-owners. Would help but still doesn't fix this broken system.

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I was in the army for 5 and a half years, recently got out. some training, depending on your unit, would go anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months, and larger exercises (like working with foreign military) could last longer. 7 people in just my platoon, including me, played. keep in mind, these time frames are not including deployments, which depending on branch could be 3 months to 15 months.

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Thank you for your service. Truly. It is not that I don't have sympathy for the circumstance of military situations/circumstances. I just really don't like people who know nothing about it using it as an excuse to further their cause.

As for the 2 month exercise, I'm actually very curious what kind you are referring to. One of my best friends became an Army Ranger recently and it didn't even take that long. Was it technical based?

And what Kinsey stated is a good idea which I would be happy to back. I'm fine with allowing circumstantial situations get exceptions. I don't like how the people wanting a "break" from the game are using them to try getting more than 45 days.

Believe me, there are military people that would still make the same arguments, though those are usually the one terms that realized that the military wasn't a free paycheck. But yes, as an active duty servicemember I can say it does suck missing out in something in the game but everyone gets over it. Missed out an a good chunk of WoW due to being in training for a year but it's still just a game.

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You get all your non-rare stuff+ 80% of your gil back.

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Not if you take a three month break. If you're away from the game for 80 days, everything you had in the house is deleted.

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As for the 2 month exercise, I'm actually very curious what kind you are referring to. One of my best friends became an Army Ranger recently and it didn't even take that long. Was it technical based?

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there is one in south korea, cant remember name of it, but majority of the military units there participate. there is also a few that are UN and local military forces, like germany as well (stationed in both areas at one point in my career) but most of them are the non special units, like regular infantry, communications, field artillery. one of the ones in korea, air force, infantry, and air defense artillery all participate in. i was in an air defense unit and ours lasted 6 weeks while i was there.

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there is one in south korea, cant remember name of it, but majority of the military units there participate. there is also a few that are UN and local military forces, like germany as well (stationed in both areas at one point in my career) but most of them are the non special units, like regular infantry, communications, field artillery. one of the ones in korea, air force, infantry, and air defense artillery all participate in. i was in an air defense unit and ours lasted 6 weeks while i was there.

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Mm, makes sense why I'm not familiar with it then. I know people doing pilot training (heli's and jets), artillery training, swo, subs, carriers, and intelligence. But none in air defense xD

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Mm, makes sense why I'm not familiar with it then. I know people doing pilot training (heli's and jets), artillery training, swo, subs, carriers, and intelligence. But none in air defense xD

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how about stationed OCONUS?

2 in Japan right now and 1 just went from Hawaii to Oklahoma for artillery for army (which ironically one of our mids who went marines is stationed there too). All others are in the states atm.

I think i see a solution. Unsub and lose your house instantly. This way you can sell ahead of time, getting back 100% of what you think its worth. If you want to keep your stuff, go inactive and fund the game, you want to drain resources? You gotta pay. Cant afford the 10quid a month while your pc/console is broke? Id re evaluate your monetary priorities before blowing it on entertainment

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I think i see a solution. Unsub and lose your house instantly. This way you can sell ahead of time, getting back 100% of what you think its worth. If you want to keep your stuff, go inactive and fund the game, you want to drain resources? You gotta pay. Cant afford the 10quid a month while your pc/console is broke? Id re evaluate your monetary priorities before blowing it on entertainment

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I'd accept that except for the word "instantly". The game doesn't tell us our subscription status, so the only way I know when a sub fee is due is that the next time I go to log on I can't. (It's weird, the character selection screen gives us useless info about our veteran reward status instead of actual useful info about our subscription.) At that point I go to my computer, log into MogStation, buy another three to six months worth, and come back and log into the game. I don't think it's ever lapsed for more than a day or two before I noticed, but there should probably be a couple weeks leeway for people whose subscription lapsed unintentionally to have a chance to put in their next payment.

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I think i see a solution. Unsub and lose your house instantly. This way you can sell ahead of time, getting back 100% of what you think its worth. If you want to keep your stuff, go inactive and fund the game, you want to drain resources? You gotta pay. Cant afford the 10quid a month while your pc/console is broke? Id re evaluate your monetary priorities before blowing it on entertainment

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i would say give a person at least 30 days, in some cases, there are just a series of unseen unfortunate events, at least this will give people a chance. (car and ps4 break down and in between jobs, like starting a new one, or even lost/stolen credit/debit cards) but yea, i do agree with that.

but worst case scenario, if they do take your house, and you have an active sub, you should be guaranteed your items and 100% of your gil. inability to log in may not always be your fault, and its clear to some extent they will try to log in later