That's because some of us actually played FFXI and know how endgame there actually functioned. The only reason why there was more to do in FFXI's endgame was because content was kept relevant for years through a combination of bad drop rates and lockouts that would put FFXIV's to shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xatsh
Nope, not when they've made them such a pain in the ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khemorex
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10-18-2015, 06:20 PMGilthas
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10-18-2015, 07:01 PMLilith_MerquiseThat's not the point, the game shouldn't be content with telling its playerbase "ya take a load off bro, go play another game." Hell no this game should want to dominate your life and say forget any other game you would want to play, this game is your life. That is what games that provide profit seek to do. This game doesn't want you to play other games, because it if did what happens if you don't come back because the other game sucks the life out of you? Then they lost that customer. And while 1 customer isn't a big deal, when that happens to many that is a problem. That is why games do not let up on the content unless the game is dying or its a quell before a storm.... Verminion is no storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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10-18-2015, 07:06 PMLilith_MerquiseAnd yet people played it, and people logged in frequently, and people helped on another building one of the strongest communities in an MMO. While you as a person may not of been happy with the RNG system barring you from rewards, what it did for the game as a whole was far greater then what FFXIV has ben able to accomplish. Whenever people wanna say the bad part of FFXI they bring up the whole "Well nobody wants to camp Fafhogg!" but the thing is that is the only true negative people can bring up. And not a single FFXI Vet that plays this game is asking for that AT ALL. We want the challenging systems with horizontal progression that FFXI capitalized on and made it a stand out game from other MMO's of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
Sure not all of it was great as any game isn't, but if FFXI had a playerbase still, up to date graphics and animations, I would definitely be playing that now instead of this game. Also people need to stop saying this game is so "different" when it borrows things from FFXI that it needed to b successful with 2.0, it is made by the same company, and originally the save devs they pulled off of 11 to put on this game. So by definition, it is the fairest comparison you can make between games, this game isn't some magnificent snowflake as some devs would have you believe... -
10-18-2015, 07:32 PMDotsusamahttp://i.imgur.com/99OFmbI.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Lilith_Merquise
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10-18-2015, 07:35 PMLilith_Merquise
^^^ And why do they prompt that? Because some people should want to play this game so badly that they have to be told that lol.
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10-18-2015, 07:48 PMCraigerThey could have used some parts of FFXI to complement FFXIV, but FFXIV is a completely different game, aimed at a different market. Whether you like that or not, doesn't really matter... Most players in FFXIV would leave if it suddenly turned more into FFXI, trust me on that. What you think is fun, is boring, slow and grindy to most players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith_Merquise
Only way you can make a game like that, is if you focus 100% on the type of players that play/played FFXI, because otherwise you can't satisfy anyone... If they focused 100% on another game like FFXI, then it could have worked, and they could have had a very small player base (cause you can't get that many with this type of game) which were good supporters... but that's not the route they have chosen, because you don't get as much money out of an old style game like that.
I'm not saying FFXI is worse than FFXIV, just that the players are very different, and SE choose this route, so for this route it would be bad to follow FFXI on anything other than a couple of things. -
10-18-2015, 07:56 PMDotsusamaHikikomori, NEET, etc. I appreciate that this game, unlike XI, does not make me feel like I have to play it 8+ hours every day (or heck, even every day at all) in order to still be entertaining. If people are complaining about a lack of content my first assumption is that the content was either not geared toward them as an individual, or they were burning through it too fast.Quote:
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10-18-2015, 08:02 PMKhemorex
yesterday i signed up for titan ex , shiva ex , garuda ex and levi ex , i got shiva ex. I wiped there for 1h but it was kinda fun to see how new people react to the situation :P
sometimes i think people are just consume zombies , wants new stuff everyday to increase the *feeling lucky in the brain* feeling.
whos clicks on theyre smartphone every 5 min to see if they have some new message? maybe ur internet addicted alrdy :P
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10-18-2015, 08:07 PMAriaEnia
This kind of thread again...
Why don't people just apply and join the dev team and help them with content planning, programming, design arts, theme composing, copyrights, etc.
Or create a whole new game which satisfy y'all.
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10-18-2015, 08:15 PMGilthasAnd then people left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilith_Merquise
I played FFXI for 4 years and had fun with it, but I'd never sign up to play a game like that again. In fact, FFXIV starting to feel like FFXI (everything being a grind) is what's making me leave.
I play FFXIV for fun, not as a second job.
Faf/Hogg is also just the tip of the iceberg of the issues with FFXI's endgame that are largely related to the horizontal gear system (bad drop rates and new good items rarely being added to the game) that the game had, including:
- events requiring large groups where everyone just wants one item because the rest of the drops are crap.
- many endgame events not dropping anything of worth for specific jobs.
- too many endgame events requiring upwards of 2 hours of "work".
When you add all of this up you get an endgame system that's more of a job than fun because you have scheduled events most of the week, that you need to attend to not fall behind in points. Where most of the stuff you do doesn't even drop anything for your job. I'd much rather have FFXIV's endgame where I have the freedom of doing most content on my own schedule.
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10-18-2015, 08:42 PMStrejdaTomQuote:
Originally Posted by Dotsusama
Hopefully this answers what is wrong with this game OP. Nothing, there is enough endgame content. /sarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by Khemorex
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10-18-2015, 08:45 PMEulMostly I learn this in game with japanese people, who online 24 hours and let their character AFK to go to pachinko...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dotsusama
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10-18-2015, 11:54 PMAlahra
This is the longest content drought we've had and I suspect they overestimated the appeal that HW's current endgame content would have, for a number of reasons.
The item level structure changed somewhat (30 item levels per tier instead of 20), which means they're probably not sure where to place content like EX primals on the scale in terms of both item levels and rewards. Both EX primals--mainstay content of ARR--were relatively dead once Esoterics were released (and Bismarck EX was a one and done fight). For future primals, we'll hopefully see them carry more relevant rewards so that they're worth doing for longer.
Alexander Normal suffers similar problems to Ravana EX, exacerbated by the fact that the content was tuned such that it had almost no learning curve, so there wasn't even a sense of progression to keep it relevant, only the (artificially drawn out) loot system. Savage has the opposite problem, in that it's tuned higher than most raid content we've had in the past, leading at least some portion of the former Coil raiding community uninterested.
The leveling grind from 50-60 was also probably too short to sustain a 5-month content gap (but I know that having it take longer would have been quite unpopular in its own regard).
That being said, there's a degree to which things were the same in 2.0--it's just that we had 50 levels to work on and were starting on scratch with *everything* so it took longer to get to the end-game content we did have (which actually only had one extra Primal fight compared to HW). We actually have more endgame content in 3.0 than we did in 2.0, but the content itself isn't designed well enough to keep us occupied.
3.1 looks to be adding even more than 2.1 did though (which was the largest content patch of the ARR cycle). Hopefully, the new EX primal is relevant the way the originals were and Exploratory Missions are, in addition to being a good source of gear, engaging enough to remain fun for the 3 months after patch day. -
10-18-2015, 11:57 PMTwiliteWell that and the gear you acquired was usually BiS for months, and almost every patch towards the end of the 75 era was a big patch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
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10-19-2015, 12:54 AMIromiWhat kind of producer tells their player base to stop playing and take a break? That is a horrible idea...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dererk
There should be enough content (even stuff you can do if you only log in for an hour!) so that no one would get so bored that they have to take a break. Wtf...lol seriously? -
10-19-2015, 04:38 AMFelisQuote:
Originally Posted by Iromi
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10-19-2015, 05:20 AMFriendlyUncleIf you don't think this game is a grind you are wearing fucking blinders dude. They even decided they needed to add a grind to DoH and DoL since we didn't have enough of it all ready. And worst the grind is the same thing over and over. Same two dungeons X amount of tomes til at Y cap, gather/craft the same X items for Y# of scrips until Z weekly cap. Weekly lock out on the 1 raid in game. You can hardly say XI has more or less grinding than XIV, and when they thought it was too much they made the change to keep the player base entertained and happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
No one is asking for you to have to team up with 5 randoms to level up every day, or sit and camp an NM/HNM spawn timers. We are saying we want a wide variety of content that can remain in place and USEFUL for more than a single patch cycle. Because I'm tired of running on the treadmill every 3-6 months for ALL my classes. I all but gave up on crafting because the entire idea of having to grind tokens like I all ready have to on my combat classes is not appealing in the least. You went into Dynamis/Sea/Sky in XI with your shell, yeah maybe you didn't get what you personally needed that week but you almost always got something for one of your sub classes. It felt rewarding even if I didn't get what I needed compared to walking into Neverreap for the 7th time this week to still need another week of capping to get the next piece I want without even so much as that good feeling of 'At least I helped this shell-mate his whatever'.
Point for point both games probably have the same amount of grind, say what you will about leveling in XI but at least you met some interesting people on your server. Still have to do the grind in XIV to level subs just you spam leves, join any random FATE party that happens to be up and repeat the same 6-10 FATES, or dungeons with randoms across the data center. And point for point in both games at this time in it's life cycle FFXI had more, more varied, and content with more longevity than 14 does. -
10-19-2015, 05:26 AMFriendlyUncleFFXI had this same message. It's saying don't be using a fucking poop-sock to play for 56 hours straight, not 'Please stop giving us money'. Stop vomiting that stupid and invalid argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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10-19-2015, 05:40 AMStrejdaTomBy saying "...we have no desire to see your life suffer..." and "Please don't forget your family,..." I believe they meant that you shouldn't play 15 hours a day, not that you should take 2 months long break because you had nothing to do except tomestone/crafting/raiding cap, 2 half year old grindy G. Saucer attractions and altjob grinding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
You don't have to live in FFXIV to experience boredom some people here are experiencing. At this moment I am loging only for raids and I can understand that people who value their cash would probably unsubscribe at this point rather than pay monthly for a few hours of fun.
3.1 better have loads of timeworthy end-game content. :) -
10-19-2015, 06:31 AMMisutorarui take a long break since 2.1 introduce, didnt came back till 3.0Quote:
Originally Posted by Dotsusama
I have my main class eso progression, all the 50 class i love to get them to 60
i have not touch my crafting and gathering after 1.0, so they all sitting at around 20
tons of primal fight yet to be clear, and maybe go back and finish the final coil and alex
and i really like how FFXIV work now, i dont have to coming and sit in the game for 6 hours like going to work just to keep up the progression
Traditional MMO in the old days, you have a static group to do dungeon and raid, and if you miss 1-2 days, you are likely to be replace, coz the progression difference are so huge
thus, i actually love current FFXIV slow pace
like you said, SE could never please everyone
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10-19-2015, 06:41 AMHeskett
Whatever. People started getting pissy about nothing to do around the 3 month mark, which has typically been when the next update is just a week or two away. Things will get back on track with 3.1 and you can expect a similar gap of content when 4.0 comes along. Rinse and repeat.
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10-20-2015, 02:54 PMLilith_MerquiseLet's hope so since apparently this is the "First time They have taken a vacation." We can only hope there isn't another big gap... And Yosheep seems pretty confident that people wanted Pink Gear Island Adventure and Minion Pokmon duels.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Heskett