Looks like PLDs are clearing A4s.

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Originally Posted by eagledorf

GZ for the down

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Checked your topic and there were alot of good adjustment ideas/suggestions, those were more "calm" than mine mainly because i still think whole job is half finished. I would personally like to see total rework on some skills/abilities and mechanics but i doubt that will happen anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

Checked your topic and there were alot of good adjustment ideas/suggestions, those were more "calm" than mine mainly because i still think whole job is half finished. I would personally like to see total rework on some skills/abilities and mechanics but i doubt that will happen anytime soon.

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I'm coming up with a thread as we speak that's also adding more than just enmity and potency buffs to suggestions. I'd like to ask you to keep looking into it as I'll be updating it frequently : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-happens-when.....

PLD have cleared it. That's what matters. By the time the other 99% of the raiding population gets there, they'll have enough gear that groups can afford many mistakes and still clear it. So, moot point now, IMO.

Unpopular opinion time: the problem was never with PLD.

The problem was that Warriors have too much DPS.

In a progression group, where every scrap of DPS matters, and where gear levels are 10-20 iLvls lower on average than the intended levels, it absolutely makes sense that the tanks that can put out the most DPS will be more desirable. So this means that WAR-DRK reigned supreme during the world-first race, since groups were pushing Alexander: Savage with extremely low gear levels. Since PLD has the lowest DPS, they were pulled from those groups, or given up in favor of WAR or DRK. Now that groups have the gear to make up the DPS difference, it absolutely makes sense that we're seeing PLD clears (though I do wonder, are we seeing any DRK-PLD groups?).

If WAR were nerfed to be 10-15% more DPS higher than DRK and PLD (instead of the 25-50% that I've seen on some parses), the playing field would be more leveled, and we'd probably see PLD as viable for the world-first race again.

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

If WAR were nerfed to be 10-15% more DPS higher than DRK and PLD (instead of the 25-50% that I've seen on some parses), the playing field would be more leveled, and we'd probably see PLD as viable for the world-first race again.

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WAR would still be taken over PLD in every scenario for Storm's Eye/Path. PLD is competing with DRK & cannot do as much DPS as DRK without replacing them due to their higher overall mitigation & utility.

PLD's miserable single target DPS would be excusable if they had significantly better utility than they currently do. PLD's aoe DPS is inexcusable and feels like a completely pointless hole in the class.

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Originally Posted by NFaelivrin

PLD's miserable single target DPS would be excusable if they had significantly better utility than they currently do. PLD's aoe DPS is inexcusable and feels like a completely pointless hole in the class.

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hehe... you said pld aoe dps... /giggle

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

If WAR were nerfed to be 10-15% more DPS higher than DRK and PLD (instead of the 25-50% that I've seen on some parses), the playing field would be more leveled, and we'd probably see PLD as viable for the world-first race again.

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http://www.fflogs.com/statistics/7#b...nks&dataset=90

Edit: Funny fact, there are less Astrologians clearing A4S than Paladins.

This is what I like to see - players challenging themselves and stepping outside of the accepted strategies and dynamics, just because they can. Major kudos to these guys.

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Originally Posted by Amiaze

This is what I like to see - players challenging themselves and stepping outside of the accepted strategies and dynamics, just because they can. Major kudos to these guys.

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That's what I'm saying. Push it to the limit.

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Originally Posted by Billeffingmurray

That's what I'm saying. Push it to the limit.

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maybe doing it at the current gear level it is set to be done at..

Are they really pushing their job to the limit or the rest of their party?

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If WAR were nerfed to be 10-15% more DPS higher than DRK and PLD (instead of the 25-50% that I've seen on some parses), the playing field would be more leveled, and we'd probably see PLD as viable for the world-first race again.

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If the PLD's defenses were actually stronger and most importantly more EFFECTIVE than WAR and DRK, while having a spamable AoE attack, and threat modifiers equal to WAR and DRK then they wouldn't be such a half baked, poorly designed mess.

Nerfing the warriors' DPS won't fix anything. DRK's would still be a disjoint mess of self sabotage, and PLD still be the best at keeping things they tank alive, all while having to stagger CDs, because they are unable meet every tankbuster with their long CDs, where as the Warrior can with just inner beast. Frankly DRK's got the same problem and no blocking, look at them. . . Still easy to keep alive. Then what are we going to do about that? Nerf them too?

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Now if only my threat in Sword Oath wasn't garbage and my oaths didn't trigger GCD and break combos.

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GG. I sword oath all of a1s.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

Now if only my threat in Sword Oath wasn't garbage and my oaths didn't trigger GCD and break combos.

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Just complete or abandon the combo. There's no sense in switching mid-combo, even if your a warrior doing it. And you don't have a special attack like warriors' inner beast or fel cleave. It's simple, establish threat to the point there is NO way they can out threat you, THEN stay in sword oath the rest of the time. And most of the bosses are scripted. Unless you're weak and teetering on edge while in shield oath cause of being weak(even if it's cause your pure vit) and/or constantly switching after each RoH/RA, then how is this a problem!?
Btw, having DPS/Heals be 95~99% close to your threat is not good nor great threat.