Explain why I can't use my PvP Rewards?

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Rank is PvP level. You need rank to wear PvP armor. What is there to not understand. You can use it in PvE, but it doesn't mean they're better. It's the same principle as PvE gear (tomestone vs dungeon drops) where they have different stat budgeting. Some PvP pieces are straight up worse than the PvE counterpart at the same ilvl.

Yet they don't reward Wolf Marks for Dungeons, so no they aren't working for them to be the same. No one who wants good matches in PvP even like the eso rewards because it gets in the way of people actually giving a damn for the mode.

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You need rank to wear level 50 armor? Nope. It was removed, and hopefully this is too soon.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Safe to ignore.

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Move along nothing to see here. Just someone who wants free glamors. They have complained on the pvp board and no one takes it serious. They don't post from main character. Because I can't believe anyone with Arcanist 60 thaum 26 and conj 20 could be expected to be taken seriously. Oh forgot pugilist 1. They have put little effort into ranking up.

They are right about one thing though, they could make it so the vendor refuses to sell. So marks fall to the floor so you wont be taunted by the oh my glamours. The system actually protects your marks and lets you buy. Unlike lets name two, Grand Company and Advanced marks.

About all people should complain about is the horrible gating of the que. Someone has done the math and it is not that much effort to get to rank. It is though a pain to sit in 30 min ques meaning a two hour play time could net you three games or less. Which in turn feels unfair given that if you put 2 hours into anything you should be able to net some better reward then just under 700 xp per two hours. The system is flawed but not in the way they project.

Stop whining and grind it out like the rest of us.


Jeez man, seriously.
PVP has the best glamor, of course.

and OF COURSE it's obviously gated by a big rank requirement. Being able to wear the PVP gear IS your reward for grinding out Rank 50.



So, get to it. I'm not even max rank, and I'm not complaining. The gear is an incentive to grind it out. Don't care how long it'll take.
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PVP Gear doesn't benefit you in PVP a whole lot. It's how you play your Job correctly in there, and not MINDLESSLY DPSing for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

You need rank to wear level 50 armor? Nope. It was removed, and hopefully this is too soon.

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because it is practically useless now and has no further meaning to pvp since the new pve equipment came out? it is nothing more than a means to glamour.

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PvP Gear just gives players an edge over others. Which is probably why they want to keep their unfair advantage because they don't want to PvP fairly.

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in wich way does it give an edge over others when the pvp ilvl of seal rock is currently capped at 150.morale doesn't change that ilvl cap, aswell as materia.

you have no idea what you're talking about, am i right?

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

PvP Gear just gives players an edge over others. Which is probably why they want to keep their unfair advantage because they don't want to PvP fairly.

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Why do people keep spouting this nonsense?

PvP gear does not give you a significant edge. In Frontlines is does absolutely nothing. In Wolves' Den it'll either let you pretend you have i210, or (and this is much more likely) it'll do absolutely nothing. I'm sure they'll add an uncapped option, like they have for Wolves' Den, but I'm also sure they'll have a capped option (like the i80 cap one) and that will be the competitive scene in Wolves' Den.

Morale is a do-nothing stat. PvP gear does nothing, it is solely an ill-conceived trophy piece.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

because it is practically useless now and has no further meaning to pvp since the new pve equipment came out? it is nothing more than a means to glamour.



in wich way does it give an edge over others when the pvp ilvl of seal rock is currently capped at 150.morale doesn't change that ilvl cap, aswell as materia.

you have no idea what you're talking about, am i right?

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I guess they changed it. So its completely useless now.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

You need rank to wear level 50 armor? Nope. It was removed, and hopefully this is too soon.

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If you don't want to put in the effort to equip pvp gear, then stop dancing around it and say so rather than dancing around making arguments that only holds water in the form of semantics.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I think your thinking is silly and archaic and you lost the argument. =P

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You're really falling onto those sort of arguments now? Although we're arguing circles at this point because honestly, I can say the same for you that you just want to be lazy and not work toward PvP rewards.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Nothing you say makes a lick of sense since its comparing to two different things. Since we are talking about different things why can't we bring other games into this?

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You honestly want to bring other games into this, WoW doesn't let you equip arena gear unless, again, you had the proper arena rating. Neither does Elsword even though their ranking requirements is an absolute joke. Possibly more examples from other MMO if I actually played beyond those two.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

They don't need to reward wolf marks in dungeons because you can use PvE gear in PvP. PvP Gear just gives players an edge over others. Which is probably why they want to keep their unfair advantage because they don't want to PvP fairly.

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And for the record, PvP gear doesn't give you an edge in PvP. Everything level syncs at i150 and morale/materia slots do jack shite in frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Not much effort = 300-600 matches.

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That's a really wide-ass estimate. I have 300 effective matches and I'm already rank 41.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

So PvP/PvE gear has no difference really except secondary stats, which PvP gear is clearly better at. It is still an edge.

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and in which way exactly are they better?

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

So PvP/PvE gear has no difference really except secondary stats, which PvP gear is clearly better at. It is still an edge.

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How does PvP gear have an edge over PvE gear when it's i180 and the maximum (reasonably attainable for most) level of PvE gear is i200? The secondary stat allocation in no way makes up for the deficit in primary stats that you'd have by using i180 gear.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

GRRR ARRGG you have never even had the gear on to see the stat difference in frontlines.

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I'm going straight from what the other posters told me.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

and in which way exactly are they better?

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If you are a crazy min maxer you can get the odd +1 crit or +1 det out of the morale ilvl sync. It is literally plus 1. But some of the gear has acc on it now which would have taken away a secondary stat so you can find better pieces without accuracy.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Better stat placement on almost all pieces of gear. Gear has the most meaningful stats.

Some of the DPS pieces have the most critical chance out of all pieces of gear.

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GRRR ARRGG you have never even had the gear on to see the stat difference in frontlines.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

If both pieces are scaled down to ilvl 150. They will be scaled down but the secondary stat min/max will still be better. In the other places where morale works and its scaled up to ilvl 210 its better overall then Alexander Gear because nobody has a full set of Alexander gear. From what i've read from angry posters. =P

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Not all the pieces have good secondary stats. Like the ranged PvP top is saturated with skill speed, and the law version is det/crit. There's also no meaningful content that morale works in, and it's up for debate if it even works in wolves den in 3.1 for their adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

In the other places where morale works and its scaled up to ilvl 210 its better overall then Alexander Gear because nobody has a full set of Alexander gear. From what i've read from angry posters. =P

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Those places do not exist, and probably never will in a significant way. We're getting Lv60 Wolves' Den, where this might be relevant, but like I said, they will have a capped version where once again Morale does nothing, because having gear provide an edge in PvP is nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Just because you dealt with a crappy system doesn't mean we should always for eternity.

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Yes I do, sorry I'm not inept and don't require hand me outs or carries. It's already simple as it is, if you don't enjoy grinding seal rock for your rank. Don't play, don't get the rewards. I play pvp in this game because I enjoy it, the glamour is just an added bonus to it. I Understand you may not enjoy it, you just want the glamour and are expecting an easy way to get it, but that's not how it works. The ranks are our reward to use that gear. Ranks would mean nothing if everyone can just get the gear and bounce once they get it. q's would be longer, but that'll probably mean less baddies. OP and this one is probably one of the ones who don't read alliance chat and end up feeding the opposite teams. lmao.

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Originally Posted by MisterRuseman

Yes I do, sorry I'm not inept and don't require hand me outs or carries. It's already simple as it is, if you don't enjoy grinding seal rock for your rank. Don't play, don't get the rewards. I play pvp in this game because I enjoy it, the glamour is just an added bonus to it. I Understand you may not enjoy it, you just want the glamour and are expecting an easy way to get it, but that's not how it works. The ranks are our reward to use that gear. Ranks would mean nothing if everyone can just get the gear and bounce once they get it. q's would be longer, but that'll probably mean less baddies. OP and this one is probably one of the ones who don't read alliance chat and end up feeding the opposite teams. lmao.

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I don't really consider a mindless and pointless Grind "Easy" or "Hard".

More like "Frustrating" and "Pointless". I would rather earn rank by doing objectives and actually doing things in PvP that give me points and have it mean something not based on "Armor". I would rather have mounts, titles, skills. However, when its put on the armor it makes it pretty redundant.

You can grind it out by making two premades and letting them destroy you over and over and the same to them. Which is how some Rank 50s got their rank in the first place.

I don't appreciate you "name-calling and bullying" others either, people on the forums should not be afraid to voice opinions.

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Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

It's pretty much impossible to win-trade in FL due to the sheer amount of people required who all have to be in the correct GCs.

Also, there ARE mounts and titles achieved by completing PVP objectives (victory, kills, node kills and tomelith occupation to name a few). The only thing you don't get is the rank 50 gear, and achieving rank 50 is easy if, as many in this thread have pointed out, you actually ENJOY PVP and aren't just interested in being "rewarded" for doing it.

You don't need a PhD to comprehend this, mate. PVP gear is mostly meant as a glamour badge to showcase to the world that hey, that player is pretty dedicated to PVP. Allowing players who don't commit the time to PVP in that manner to wear the same gear is disingenuous.

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Untrue, I play a big server and I was invited to it once but I consider such things "exploiting".

They even bragged about it too. This was around level 50 though, when people treated PvP like a secret club.

It's pretty much impossible to win-trade in FL due to the sheer amount of people required who all have to be in the correct GCs.

Also, there ARE mounts and titles achieved by completing PVP objectives (victory, kills, node kills and tomelith occupation to name a few). The only thing you don't get is the rank 50 gear, and achieving rank 50 is easy if, as many in this thread have pointed out, you actually ENJOY PVP and aren't just interested in being "rewarded" for doing it.

You don't need a PhD to comprehend this, mate. PVP gear is mostly meant as a glamour badge to showcase to the world that hey, that player is pretty dedicated to PVP. Allowing players who don't commit the time to PVP in that manner to wear the same gear is disingenuous.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I don't really consider a mindless and pointless Grind "Easy" or "Hard".

More like "Frustrating" and "Pointless". I would rather earn rank by doing objectives and actually doing things in PvP that give me points and have it mean something not based on "Armor". I would rather have mounts, titles, skills. However, when its put on the armor it makes it pretty redundant.

You can grind it out by making two premades and letting them destroy you over and over and the same to them. Which is how some Rank 50s got their rank in the first place.

I don't appreciate you "name-calling and bullying" others either, people on the forums should not be afraid to voice opinions.

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>I would rather have mounts, titles, skills.
They do give this and guess what? You have to grind for it as well. This is a MMO, which basically means grind.