Your reaction if next expansion introduces 2 new abilities and 3 traits

I'm down for new abilities but they need to merge a few currently. For example, why does MCH have two separate skills for dismantle? One does 5% Physical the other Magical and you can only use one. Why not just 5% both?

Traits can also get good gameplay changing aspects to act as a skill instead of flat buffs.

They can also change the progression in the game. I say allow all base Class Abilities(no cap), put a cap of 10 or 15 Job Abilities, a cap of 5 or 10 Traits, and 5 Cross Class Abilities cap.
This way they can still add in new skills and traits buy it gives us a clean UI and diversity.

I'm fine with that if they do some pruning of the abilities we have now.

I'll need my 8th action bar.

That might be a good idea to give us more but then cap us and make us pick...wow that would be weird.

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

That might be a good idea to give us more but then cap us and make us pick...wow that would be weird.

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If there was anything to change what is essentially "necessary" in a part (e.g. shaking up traditional Trinity dependence), I'd actually really like this. It would allow us not only rotational variance, for those who could enjoy a given job far more if it just played a little differently, but also toolkit changes in more than just the sense of different flavors, AoE vs. ST dps, or flexibility vs. optimization, for facing different situations. In other words, it would be one of those things that could make DRG/MNK/NIN pseudo-tanks (or even, say, DRK as full or GLD as opportunistic DPS) possible. I'd be all for that.

I'd hope they simply replace skills/concepts rather than adding. Especially considering button bloat etc

Easy fix.

Take old additional added skills like for example Strength down on paladin and move it to the new ability that has a new skill.

Keep the old ability's there for old dungeons but improve new skills with old added skills.

This way its not flooded I can swap this way its easier for controller users.

Example

lets say this is a new sword skill.

Raging slashes
it comes with 240 potency and adds a debuff of evasion but they take rage of halones 10% strength down and move it there but keep rage of halone around for old content.

I'd rather not have any levels and 10 new traits instead. Or achievement points or talents.

Redesigning the talent system and making it where every 10 levels you can pick traits for each ability to customize your character.

If it is on top of what we currently have without any changes to how the combat system works, my reaction would be /facepalm.

They should just upgrade most of the things we have now, and name it with something lame like Dragon kick ll , Howling Fist ll etc. and give them a flashier effect l0l

But yes I want new traits as well (As long as it changes gameplay, Like Bard's river of blood , GL etc)

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

They should still give us new abilities but just get rid of or replace others that are not useful. Eventually we will get to a point when everything is useful and no more can be added without making "other" changes but for now there is still room I feel.

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Traits that morph existing abilities.

That way we don't have half a bar of crap that we can't use while level synced.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

If they released 2 new abilities and 3 traist than they better be the most fantastic and op skill ever. Since they level cap is going to be raised to 70 I think they are going to add 5 new abilities to replace some of the abilities gained from 1-50.

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They won't replace.

You can't use new abilities in level synced dungeons. If they add something that outright replaces something else in the rotation while leaving that old ability there, you'll still have bloat because you need that there during the sync.

Hence the morphing suggestion.

Abiilty - Effect

Level 65 trait - adds X bonus effect to Ability, this stacks with existing bonuses.

If they released 2 new abilities and 3 traist than they better be the most fantastic and op skill ever. Since they level cap is going to be raised to 70 I think they are going to add 5 new abilities to replace some of the abilities gained from 1-50.

You are right about the level sync crap...totally forgot about that. Maybe some of those skills would change into the old one when at low level...how hard would that be to do...that was a good though other poster. I just don't want to get to a point where we don't get anything new at next level cap...that just would feel very underwhelming. This is my first "Real" MMO (only played FFXI to level 20 and had to quit due to not party to do the level 20 content I needed for weeks....it sucked so bad, I really wanted to play it and missed out) and would like to know from you pros...did other MMO's stop giving you new abilities when the level cap went up at some point...thanks.

WoW went the avenue of giving you abilities every several levels and like every 15 you got to choose one of three talent choices, some of these were passive and others active abilities.

Used to be you'd get a new rank of an existing spell that was designed to replace the old ones, but some folks actually used the old ranks for niche purposes, such as mana conservation.

Their button bloat was pretty disturbing too. I shouldn't need six full hotbars just to contain everything. There *is* such a thing as too many abilities.

I'll take 5 abilities I'll use all the time over 10 in which I use 5 all the time, three more maybe once a fight if that, and 2 that the stars must align to use, therefore doesn't see much use or sucks so bad no one uses it anyways.

I always thought it would be nice if jobs got traits that changed the effect of their cross-class abilities. Add an enmity effect to Cure for PLD, have Invigorate be partially shared when used by BRD, SMN Blizzara could inflict a short DoT, that kind of thing.

Depending on what they added it could give some jobs better choices with what they set, and others like Invigorate and Swiftcast could at least be different for everyone who sets them anyway.